Churches May Start Paying a Sales Tax...

Churches May Start Paying a Sales Tax to Help With Kansas Budget

There are 14 comments on the Fox4KC story from Jan 12, 2010, titled Churches May Start Paying a Sales Tax to Help With Kansas Budget. In it, Fox4KC reports that:

Religious organizations in Kansas may have to start paying a sales tax to generate revenue for the state.

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FinallyHope

Sweet Springs, MO

#1 Jan 12, 2010
I have been posting that idea on boards for over a year now. Churches who ARE turning a profit should be paying taxes & pulling their weight in the economy. Small churches with no profits should be exempt. The Jehovah's Witnesses, The Mormons, The Catholics, John Hagee, Joyce Meyer & many others are pocketing huge profits with no taxes, it is ridiculous our taxes keep going up and these organizations don't pay their share. Property tax, sales tax on supplies, income on books & magazines,taxes on donated estates... we are talking a lot of lost revenue here.
KCFeedback

Kansas City, MO

#2 Jan 12, 2010
I totally agree with this. Churches with big pockets simply pay their pastors 6 figure salaries, which is horrible. The money is not used for the homeless or poor as it should be or feeding the hungry. Mormons are worse about wasting money and in political oppositions. Tax away. Churches are not how they use to be, they are a business and should be taxed that way.
Caron Cline

Kansas City, MO

#3 Jan 12, 2010
It's a sad day in Kansas when our Government leaders have to take money from God to balance a budget due to their lack of proper, educated decisions. Think twice first, and remember how you will explain this before the judgement seat of God! Read the Book of Malachi in the Bible. For those of you, Leaders of the people, who think that just because you don't believe in God; does not mean that there is no GOD!! We, the voters in Kansas will be praying for you, to make the Right decisions !
Jeepers

Sweet Springs, MO

#4 Jan 12, 2010
Caron Cline wrote:
It's a sad day in Kansas when our Government leaders have to take money from God to balance a budget due to their lack of proper, educated decisions. Think twice first, and remember how you will explain this before the judgement seat of God! Read the Book of Malachi in the Bible. For those of you, Leaders of the people, who think that just because you don't believe in God; does not mean that there is no GOD!! We, the voters in Kansas will be praying for you, to make the Right decisions !
They are not taking money from God. They are taking money from BUSINESSES who are abusing old tax laws & reaping huge profits in Gods name. Your bible also says Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s which means PAY YOUR TAXES. The multi-million dollar book business & other profits were never meant to be exempt because they did not exist in those days. There should be an exemption for true non profits, but organizations like John Hagee & others should be paying tax on those huge profits...just like any other business.
John

United States

#5 Jan 12, 2010
Wow Caron...Calm down. I know the economy is bad and all but if He's up there laying off the Angels to make ends meet...
BRuce

Kansas City, MO

#6 Jan 13, 2010
If churches are taxed then where does it stop? What about other "Non-profits" that are paying 6 figures to its leaders, what about charities, what about peta, aspca, WWF, and other feel good non-profits. How much money would go to the government, who cannot spend it wisely to begin with, instead of orgs that do good.

Just because you do not believe does not mean you should destroy.
Jeepers

Warsaw, MO

#7 Jan 13, 2010
BRuce wrote:
If churches are taxed then where does it stop? What about other "Non-profits" that are paying 6 figures to its leaders, what about charities, what about peta, aspca, WWF, and other feel good non-profits. How much money would go to the government, who cannot spend it wisely to begin with, instead of orgs that do good.
Just because you do not believe does not mean you should destroy.
Non-profit should mean just that sir, they are not bringing in any more than it takes to meet their basic needs. Church jets, boats, million dollar homes are abusing the original intentions of non-profit status. Those organizations who are barely making ends meet should remain tax free. Anything above that income should be taxed.
Deb

Paola, KS

#8 Jan 13, 2010
Our church is not exactly raking it in, and most pastors are not either. When times are bad-churches end up taking a big hit. And Bruce has it right-if churches have to pay-let Peta and the others pay too.
lou 577630

Council Grove, KS

#9 Feb 4, 2010
Jeepers wrote:
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Non-profit should mean just that sir, they are not bringing in any more than it takes to meet their basic needs. Church jets, boats, million dollar homes are abusing the original intentions of non-profit status. Those organizations who are barely making ends meet should remain tax free. Anything above that income should be taxed.
First, who is going to define a "basic need" for a church? Will it be the same for all churches?
Second, what churches in Kansas have jets, boats, and million-dollar homes?

This ain't as simple as you are making it out to be.
JMKC

Lees Summit, MO

#10 Feb 4, 2010
Most megachurches do not pay their pastors six figure salaries. The pastors earn more from book sales, tapes, etc, and most give more to their own church than they keep for themselves.
Additionally, faith-based organizations, non-profits have been reaching homeless, and a lot of other groups easier than the government, because they are not subject to the same restrictions. Example; New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Church based groups, Salvation Army, Southern Baptist Conference, etc., fed, clothed and cared for citizens long before approval was given for others like Red Cross to go in.
Lastly, if you want tax money from the churches, be prepared to reverse the government position on God being cut out of our schools, government, and be prepared for the churches to come out full force to endorse specific candidates.
Government wants the taxes, but still wants to dictate to churches. You can't have it both ways.
Jeff

Garden City, KS

#11 Feb 5, 2010
My question is why is the gov only interested in churches? As has been stated above, why not 'unexempt' all non-profits in the state of KS? Why only religious non-profits?

Evidently the gov's research has led him to believe that churches are buying an awful lot of stuff and enjoying the benefit of not paying tax on it.

If it does happen, look for lawsuits that would be brought to bear to make it fair and equitable, ie, that the rest of the non-profits would follow suit.

So think of your favorite charity and interpret this idea thusly. If it starts with any non-profit I believe it will ultimately include them all.
DKVander

Wichita, KS

#12 Feb 8, 2010
JMKC wrote:
Most megachurches do not pay their pastors six figure salaries. The pastors earn more from book sales, tapes, etc, and most give more to their own church than they keep for themselves.
Additionally, faith-based organizations, non-profits have been reaching homeless, and a lot of other groups easier than the government, because they are not subject to the same restrictions. Example; New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Church based groups, Salvation Army, Southern Baptist Conference, etc., fed, clothed and cared for citizens long before approval was given for others like Red Cross to go in.
Lastly, if you want tax money from the churches, be prepared to reverse the government position on God being cut out of our schools, government, and be prepared for the churches to come out full force to endorse specific candidates.
Government wants the taxes, but still wants to dictate to churches. You can't have it both ways.
Amen !
Charlie Mac

Wamego, KS

#13 Feb 9, 2010
As a pastor of a church I have wondered for some time about the wisdom of tax favored treatment of churches. Instead of a jerk-kneed response for or against this idea, wouldn't it be better to consider the ramifications?

From a Christian perspective, are we against taxing churches like corporations because if that happens God will be unable to fund His program in the earth? This seems to be almost a blasphemous idea.

The problem for churches seems to me one of changing the rules in the middle of the game. If our church had raised enough money to build a new building, but now would have to raise 6% more in sales taxes, it would be a problem. However, if the cost of lumber when up 6%, we would have to deal with that also.

The first issue, is to examine the public policies issues that support or undermine the continued sales-tax exemption apart from the need to close a budget shortfall.

The second issue is whether there is a way to gradually implement a change of policy to reduce the disruption for existing churches and programs. Of course a gradual implementation will not help the immediate budget shortfall.

Finally, we need to discuss uncoupling the discussion of large lucrative ministries or churches from small churches than run on a shoe string. I don't think any of us want to allow some minister to live a lavish lifestyle simply because he can escape paying taxes by hiding behind the small rural congregational church. And at the same time, we do not want to destroy the ability of an elderly person or child from being able to attend church in order to collect a few additional dollars for the state.
Matt

Inman, KS

#14 Mar 3, 2010
This would clearly break any separation of church and state ideology (created only in the last 50 years). Sure, tax the church and with it open the door to everything faith based stripped from public and educational systems in the last 50 years.

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