Pa. hate-crime protections weakened

Pa. hate-crime protections weakened

There are 5 comments on the Philly.com story from Jul 26, 2008, titled Pa. hate-crime protections weakened. In it, Philly.com reports that:

Victims of hate crimes who are gay, female or disabled no longer have special protections under state law.

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“Clinton is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#1 Jul 26, 2008
Can anyone actually explain what a "hate crime" is anyhow?

Seems to me that all crime is hate. I know I hate crime. Who doesn't?

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#2 Jul 26, 2008
Not all crime are hate crimes, there are many motivating factors other than hate that cause people to do harm to others, greed, revenge, jealousy, even just plain stupidity, the list is pretty much endless. Crimes designated as hate crimes are those motivated not by any emotion toward the victims themselves but what they represent as a member of a particular group. They are motivated by hatred of a person's race, ethnicity, religion, sex or sexual orientation, they are often seemingly random in nature with no real connection between the perpetrator and their victim and sadly they are often marked by extreme violence and cruelty that is intended as much as a chilling message to those in whatever group who the victim represents to the perpetrator as the victim themself.
In our country's past, often times crimes motivated by the hatred of different groups of people were overlooked and all too often excused. Hate crimes laws were intended as a response to official inaction and indifference, to bring home the reality that crimes motivated by this kind of hate and intended to intimidate entire communities of people needed to be dealt with more harshly than they were. These laws are set up to enhance the sentences of perpetrators of these kinds of crime to send the message that bigotry taken to the extremes of violence and other kinds of crime are no longer going to be tolerated in our society. As long as there are crimes motivated by the hatred of what a victim represents and as long as there tends to be at least some official and or societal indifference or acceptance of these kind of crimes there will be a need for these kind of laws.
It is unfortunate in the Pennsylvania case that the legislature didn't bother to follow their own accepted procedure for enacting such legislation and that the state had to waste the time and the money to defend their regretable actions. There is a need for these kinds of laws in all states of our country to ensure that we are all able to receive justice when when we are targeted by crime simply because of the hatred of what we represent to someone. Hopefully the legislature in your state will get its act together and pass this needed legislation properly.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#4 Jul 26, 2008
Jake wrote:
Discriminatory special protections and thought crime laws for those who choose a homosexual lifestyle choice have been repeatedly abused, in such cases as a suit against a major Bible publisher and attempts to silence ministers preaching Biblical doctrine.
Thought crime laws should be abolished, especially discriminatory special protections for homosexuals.
Sorry Wil, but these are not "special protections" for any specific group nor are they anything resembling the dreaded "thought crime" prohibition. The only way any of these laws can be invoked is if the hatred for the group that the victim represents is expressed by the perpetrator. While these laws are intended to redress crimes directed at minority populations they apply to us all, if hatred is expressed in crimes towards a victim because they are white, or male or even heterosexual these statutes come into play as they are written in neutral terms not singling any specific group out for special protection.
As for the civil suits by ONE individual against actually two major publishers of the Bible; these actions are not in any way, shape or form based on any hate crimes protections. If you had bothered to research the subject before brining it up, you would have found that the suit is based on the fact that the plaintiff is claiming direct individual harm based on deliberate mistranslations used in their works. In this country, there have been no legal actions taken against any "minister" attempting to silence their teaching "biblical doctrine". While attempts have been done in other countries, the protections for the freedoms of speech and expression as well as the freedom of religion are far more protected in the U.S. than they are in say Canada or Europe. So any examples from other countries simply do not apply.
As long as people are victimized by crime solely on the basis of the hatred of their perceived sexual orientation, the need for hate crimes laws remain readily apparent. People such as yourself who cloak your hatred for others who are not like yourself in terms of social acceptability you are guilty of aiding and abetting this kind of violence.

“I am happy”

Since: Jul 08

St. Petersburg, FL

#5 Jul 26, 2008
Jake wrote:
Discriminatory special protections and thought crime laws for those who choose a homosexual lifestyle choice have been repeatedly abused, in such cases as a suit against a major Bible publisher and attempts to silence ministers preaching Biblical doctrine.
Thought crime laws should be abolished, especially discriminatory special protections for homosexuals.
Wil, your English teach would have cringed if he or she just saw the number of sentence fragments and run-on sentences you just did.

By the way, how is the ex-gay therapy going? Still going to the park bathrooms for sex?

“Clinton is a Liar, Period!”

Since: Jan 07

Pittsburgh, PA

#6 Jul 26, 2008
It is unfortunate in the Pennsylvania case that the legislature didn't bother to follow their own accepted procedure for enacting such legislation and that the state had to waste the time and the money to defend their regretable actions. There is a need for these kinds of laws in all states of our country to ensure that we are all able to receive justice when when we are targeted by crime simply because of the hatred of what we represent to someone. Hopefully the legislature in your state will get its act together and pass this needed legislation properly.
Have you looked at the Pennsylvania Legislature lately. Fraud, theft, conspiracy, 12 recent indictments and many more to come. This is the most expensive "do nothing" group in the USA. The only thing they are worried about is their own pensions and staying out of jail.
What ever comes from this group of people is tainted. The real hate here id the disdain for the voting populace. It's really a shame.

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