Local Lutherans have mixed reaction t...

Local Lutherans have mixed reaction to gay clergy

There are 138 comments on the InYork story from Aug 23, 2009, titled Local Lutherans have mixed reaction to gay clergy. In it, InYork reports that:

A regional bishop says it's a "very real concern" that last week's decision by the country's largest Lutheran denomination to lift restrictions on gays and lesbians in the pulpit could prompt members or congregations to leave the church.

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Judge

Dover, PA

#129 Aug 27, 2009
Rose wrote:
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I'm sure followers of Vishnu, Allah, and Zeus fell the same way. Can you provide me with any real evidence your god is the real one? Feelings don't count. There are followers of Allah so sincere in their faith they will blow themselves up and take others with them.
I am the living evidence saved by grace and living my life now in total joy because of that grace. I have perfect knowledge of destiny here and beyond and do not deal in "what if's" because of what CHRIST did for me on the cross. By giving his life for me on the cross AND COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD to LIVE again , is what is in store for me and my loved ones , based on his promises. I now can LOVE even those who hate me , I now can climb out of impossible situations , because he is always there WITH ME. I've experienced more incredible things in my life that could fill several books about God's interaction in my life. I read the word of GOD every day to strengthen me daily just as food does for my body. I pray to a living God everyday because I know he is listening and will be there for me in my times of need, In the meantime , I'm living a normal life doing all the things I always wanted to do , so I sacrificed NOTHING and HE PAID IT ALL. To realize Jesus was a real person born of the flesh and he knowing sacrificed and "SUFFERED" tremendously for "ME" personally , blows me away , humbles me , and once I knew in my heart God actually did this for ME out of Love for ME (seven years ago)I couldn't help but be grateful. All he ask me was to believe in him and his SON JESUS , who came and died for the SINS of the "WHOLE" WORLD (not just mine) ask for forgiveness of my sins and promise to live the rest of my life thru HIM". He didn't ask me to be perfect , go to church , stop whatever I was doing , because to choose him is a CHOICE and when you truly belive , you then "WANT" to PLEASE HIM.( " I CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH HIM WHO STRENGHENS ME") I have been the arrogant person , I have been the liberal , selfish selfcentered poor excuse for a human being. And I have been the fool who said there is no GOD. BROTHER , when you truley MEET HIM , ALL that goes away. GOD BLESS YOU.
what in the sam

Westminster, MD

#130 Aug 27, 2009
the situation will never be resolved__________
TaxTaxTax

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#131 Aug 27, 2009
Let's put an end to this debate once and for all. How about if the ELCA home office sends a simple post coard to each member asking them one question.

Yes or no. Is it ok if a homosexual pastor in your congregation takes your kids to summer camp?

Let's see what the answer is.
TaxTaxTax

Inver Grove Heights, MN

#132 Aug 27, 2009
devons wrote:
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And everyone does it.
Unfortunately not everyone repents and that's the issue here. Some openly sin in defiance of the Lord and some do it under the perverse protection as a Minister of God. What was that verse or story about a wolf in sheep's clothing?
Rose

Hawthorne, CA

#133 Aug 27, 2009
Judge wrote:
<quoted text> I am the living evidence saved by grace and living my life now in total joy because of that grace.....
I can find literally billions of followers of other religions that feel the same way about their religion. I'm looking for objective evidence.
Judge

Dover, PA

#134 Aug 27, 2009
Rose wrote:
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I can find literally billions of followers of other religions that feel the same way about their religion. I'm looking for objective evidence.
If you were truly looking for "anykind" of evidence you would only need to take the "other" path on which , you obviously am on, because there are only (2) TWO kinds of people on this earth, those who are LOST and those who are one with GOD. You make a simple act of faith into a complicated search of billions of feelings. TRUE salvation is "NOT" a feeling , fad , notion , experiment , whatever , its the real thing. You have in this life you have but two choices contrary to the convenient liberal mentality of "billions" (that's why it so easy to be a liberal one veiw for all things where you can't go wrong) ONE with GOD or separation from GOD. Like you can't be kinda dead , or kinda pregnet or kinda saved , you are either one or the other. If you want the evidence I received "YOU" got but one other choice from where you are at now , that's it. Those who complicate and keep souls from God are just dragging others along with them to where God says unbelievers end up. Have you tryed the "OTHER" way , have you ever given up trying to be right about everything. Have you ever thought of the second "after" your "LAST" BREATH ? There is no debate its been settled long ago , Jesus paid our debt , we get the chance to cash in on it or pretend we know better than God , the Father , God the CREATOR , God of ALL THINGS and nit pick the evidence of his exsistance. The best way to get a grip on the evidence you desire is to " LET GO".

Since: Jul 07

United States

#135 Aug 28, 2009
TaxTaxTax wrote:
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Unfortunately not everyone repents and that's the issue here. Some openly sin in defiance of the Lord and some do it under the perverse protection as a Minister of God. What was that verse or story about a wolf in sheep's clothing?
I'm pretty sure that you do things that others feel are sins where you disagree. Have you repented for those?
Spazmatic1

Boston, MA

#136 Aug 28, 2009
Judge wrote:
<quoted text> CORRECTION - "HIS GRACE IS ENOUGH FOR ME".- and good luck on your eternal "journey" of "figuring" out of ALL OF LIFE'S MYSTERY'S , based on "YOUR" self indulging logic that "GOD creator of ALL THINGS" , is a violation? WOW , I fear you are the one with the big head. Sorry , my $ is on the CREATOR ( especially since he even created "YOU") I must admit enjoyment in those claiming GREATER status than , "GOD" , I mean , how arrogant can one be than that ? I'm sorry , if its TRUE. GOD BLESS YOU ANYHOW ACCEPT HIS GRACE THAT'S ENOUGH TO SET YOU STRAIGHT.
What in the world are you replying to? I never said "'God creator of all things' is a violation." First off, I don't believe your God is the creator of all things, nor would I ever use all-caps like that. I don't yell, and I'm not lazy. I didn't claim greater status than anyone, actually. And if I did believe in a god, I would certainly not be so arrogant as to think I could know what he/she thinks. And WTF is "self-indulging logic. I don't believe logic is something you're very familiar with. Nor did I ever mention an "eternal 'journey' of 'figuring' out all of life's mysterys." I especially wouldn't misspell mysteries, doofus. It is you I take exception to, you and your ludicrous, self-aggrandizing, maniacal rantings. And WTF does "I'm sorry, if its [sic] true" mean? I'm sure you never met a truth you couldn't malign somehow.
Rose

Hawthorne, CA

#140 Aug 28, 2009
Judge wrote:
<quoted text> If you were truly looking for "anykind" of evidence you would only need to take the "other" path on which , you obviously am on, because there are only (2) TWO kinds of people on this earth, those who are LOST and those who are one with GOD. You make a simple act of faith into a complicated search of billions of feelings. TRUE salvation is "NOT" a feeling , fad , notion , experiment , whatever , its the real thing. You have in this life you have but two choices contrary to the convenient liberal mentality of "billions" (that's why it so easy to be a liberal one veiw for all things where you can't go wrong) ONE with GOD or separation from GOD. Like you can't be kinda dead , or kinda pregnet or kinda saved , you are either one or the other. If you want the evidence I received "YOU" got but one other choice from where you are at now , that's it. Those who complicate and keep souls from God are just dragging others along with them to where God says unbelievers end up. Have you tryed the "OTHER" way , have you ever given up trying to be right about everything. Have you ever thought of the second "after" your "LAST" BREATH ? There is no debate its been settled long ago , Jesus paid our debt , we get the chance to cash in on it or pretend we know better than God , the Father , God the CREATOR , God of ALL THINGS and nit pick the evidence of his exsistance. The best way to get a grip on the evidence you desire is to " LET GO".
Why do you folks think using the CAPS LOCK key is objective evidence? You are just preaching. Again, there are billions of people who can preach with equal passion about their religious beliefs. Many are willing to die for theirs, believe that after their last breath they will be granted 72 virgins. I'm just asking for a good, objective reason to believe yours. IF you beliefs are true, I'd spit in the face of your retched god. He torments everybody who doesn't happen to guess the right religion, and then bow down to him.
Spazmatic1

Boston, MA

#143 Aug 28, 2009
Judge wrote:
<quoted text> I am the living evidence saved by grace and living my life now in total joy because of that grace. I have perfect knowledge of destiny here and beyond and do not deal in "what if's" because of what CHRIST did for me on the cross. By giving his life for me on the cross AND COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD to LIVE again , is what is in store for me and my loved ones , based on his promises. I now can LOVE even those who hate me , I now can climb out of impossible situations , because he is always there WITH ME. I've experienced more incredible things in my life that could fill several books about God's interaction in my life. I read the word of GOD every day to strengthen me daily just as food does for my body. I pray to a living God everyday because I know he is listening and will be there for me in my times of need, In the meantime , I'm living a normal life doing all the things I always wanted to do , so I sacrificed NOTHING and HE PAID IT ALL. To realize Jesus was a real person born of the flesh and he knowing sacrificed and "SUFFERED" tremendously for "ME" personally , blows me away , humbles me , and once I knew in my heart God actually did this for ME out of Love for ME (seven years ago)I couldn't help but be grateful. All he ask me was to believe in him and his SON JESUS , who came and died for the SINS of the "WHOLE" WORLD (not just mine) ask for forgiveness of my sins and promise to live the rest of my life thru HIM". He didn't ask me to be perfect , go to church , stop whatever I was doing , because to choose him is a CHOICE and when you truly belive , you then "WANT" to PLEASE HIM.( " I CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH HIM WHO STRENGHENS ME") I have been the arrogant person , I have been the liberal , selfish selfcentered poor excuse for a human being. And I have been the fool who said there is no GOD. BROTHER , when you truley MEET HIM , ALL that goes away. GOD BLESS YOU.
You don't come across as joyful. You do know that liberal means generous, right? It is in fact the opposite of selfish and self-centered. You're just a bored, unhappy fella with a minimal grasp of your native tongue.(And apparently Rose's gender.)

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#146 Aug 28, 2009
Maximum Headroom wrote:
I remember when the word gay meant something good.
It still does.

:)
Mona Lott

Elizabeth, NJ

#147 Aug 30, 2009
dew4794 wrote:
<quoted text>To believe an anti-gay doctrine about homosexuality, you have to believe that
1. People become gay because they worship idols of wood or stone in the likeness of birds, animals, or snakes.(Romans 1: 23-25)
2. Soliciting for mob rape is the same thing as adult consenting relationships.(Genesis 19:5)
3. The worship of the fertility god, Molech, leads to homosexual acts.(Leviticus 18:21-22)
4. A word found no place else in literature magically means homosexual.(1Corinthians 6)
5. Boy prostitution and slave sex is the same as loving same gender relationships.(1 Corinthians 6)
6. A folklore story about magical trees and fruit, celestial visits, naked people, and talking snakes proves same gendered sex is wrong.(Genesis 3)
MOST EXCELLENT, DUDE!
Mona Lott

Elizabeth, NJ

#148 Aug 30, 2009
TaxTaxTax wrote:
Whether 2000 years ago, or today, sin is sin.
Does that count for Adultery? It's not even illegal.
Mona Lott

Elizabeth, NJ

#149 Aug 30, 2009
dew4794 wrote:
Bible literalists cannot be convinced that their interpretation of the Bible is in error. Why? Because they practice interpretation by topic. Then they look for only passages that they think apply to the topic, and then formulate an ideology of the topic. Thus says the Lord.
Using context or cultural norms does not matter to them. They practice eisegesis, not exegesis of Bible interpretation. Their process is very flawed.
I agree! I wish we could get them to understand that!
Mona Lott

Elizabeth, NJ

#150 Aug 30, 2009
WOW! This rambling "Judge" must be a newbie, eh? I could have written his posts myself, I've read those words so many times. If they only listened to what they are saying instead of just vain repetition.
Lord, lord, lord..... there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Mona Lott

Elizabeth, NJ

#151 Aug 30, 2009
Rose wrote:
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Christianity: because some people prefer absurdity to uncertainty.
I love it!!!!

Since: Sep 08

Rochester, NY

#152 Aug 30, 2009
Mona Lott wrote:
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I agree! I wish we could get them to understand that!
Great thanks for your compliment. In think some folks will have to just die out because there is no convincing. Legalism reigns for them.
Rose

Hawthorne, CA

#154 Sep 1, 2009
Mona Lott wrote:
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I love it!!!!
Thanks.:)

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