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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Winston Smith

Falls Church, VA

#157173 Aug 30, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Consider reason number nine, same sex marriage is based on the 'Fallacy of Composition'. A property of the whole,'marriage is good' can't be applied to every individual in society. Marriage isn't for everyone.
How about you rebutt my reply to the other 19, err 20 reasons you posted the other day?
I'll copy and paste it in the next reply just for you...
Winston Smith

Falls Church, VA

#157174 Aug 30, 2012
My apologies for posting in all caps, but if I may rebutt point by point...
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'll repost my list of the top 20 best reasons for keeping marriage one man and one woman:
1 Posterity GAY MARRIAGE SHALL HAVE NOT ONE BIT OF INFLUENCE ON POSTERITY. GAYS WILL ALWAYS MAKE UP A SMALL PORTION OF THE POPULATION.
2 Vive le difference! WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT, YET WE'RE ALL THE SAME. NONE POINT HERE, BRIAN.
3 Survival. AGAIN, NOT ONE BIT OF INFLUENCE ON SURVIVAL OF THE SPECIES. GAYS WILL ALWAYS BE A SMALL MINORITY. GAINING ACCEPTANCE AND ACCESS TO MARRIAGE WILL NOT INCREASE THEIR NUMBER. STOP LISTING TO GARY.
4 Civil discourse.
4 Antidemocratic.
YOU NEED TO RECALL THAT WHEN COUNTING TO TWENTY, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T REPEAT NUMBERS. CIVIL DISCOURSE MOST CERTAINLY CAN OCCUR IN CONJUNCTION WITH SAME SEX COUPLES GAINING ACCESS TO MARRIAGE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GAY BASHING, WITH OR WITHOUT MARRIAGE. LIKEWISE THERE WILL BE GAYS THAT LASH OUT AGAINST SUCH BASHING. SOME OF THEM MAY CHOOSE METHODS THAT AREN'T CIVIL.
DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IS A SHIFTING SAND ON THIS MATTER.
5 Taboo. THE HUMAN RACE HAS QUITE AN EXTENSIVE LAUNDRY LIST OF TABOO ITEMS THAT HAVE BECOME ACCEPTED OVER TIME.
6 Entitlement spending YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS. AFAIK THIS IS A TALKING POINT OF NO SUBSTANCE.
7 Intrusive new regulation NO MORE INTRUSIVE THAN THE REGULATIONS THAT GRANT THE LEGAL BENEFITS OF MARRIAGE TO HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES. IF YOU OPPOSE THIS FOR GAYS, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO OPPOSE IT FOR STRAIGHTS.
8 Higher taxes ANOTHER POINT YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE WITH SOME FACTUAL EVIDENCE.
9 Fallacy of Composition ONLY BY YOUR STANDARDS. THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO DON'T SEE IT THIS WAY. THIS IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT WITH NO FACTUAL BASIS, ONLY EMOTIONAL.
10 Married women suffer less violence AND THIS APPLIES TO SAME SEX COUPLES MARRYING BY WHAT MEANS. IF YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT MARRIED WOMEN WILL SUFFER MORE VIOLENCE IF SAME SEX COUPLES ARE ALLOWED TO MARRY, YOU NEED TO DO SOME EXPLAINING.
11 Ex post facto law for married gays NON-STARTER POINT, EX POST FACTO LAW APPLIES TO CRIMINAL MATTERS, NOT CIVIL MATTERS.
12 Honor your mother and father ALSO A NON-STARTER. BEING GAY DOES NOT DISHONOR A PARENT UNLESS THEY'RE PREJUDICED. BEING GAY AND MARRYING YOUR SAME SEX PARTNER ISN'T DISHONORING A PARENT.
13 Kant's Catagorical Imperitive, what if everyone did C'MON, WHAT BIT OF PARANOIA PROMPTS THIS ARGUMENT. THE GAY POPULATION WILL NOT INCREASE AFTER GRANTING THEM ACCESS TO MARRIAGE.
14 Diversity and integration vs SSM is segregation GRANTING SAME SEX COUPLES ACCESS TO MARRIAGE IS DIVERSITY AND INTEGRATION. CURRENTLY THESE COUPLES ARE SEGREGATED IN THAT THEY CANNOT ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF MARRIAGE. THEY'RE KEPT OUTSIDE THE FENCE.
15 Backlash BACKLASH AGAINST WHAT? HOMOSEXUALS? IS THIS THE SAME AS NUMBER 16 BELOW? DETAILS ARE NECESSARY AT TIMES, BRIAN.
16 Scapegoating against homosexuals DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE FOLKS WHO WILL DO THIS IF HOMOSEXUALS GAIN ACCESS TO MARRIAGE AREN'T ALREADY DOING SO?
17 Consequences of changing law AGAIN, GIVE US VALID DETAILS, AVOID THESE BUMPER STICKER SLOGANS UNLESS YOU CAN GIVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEM.
18 Boycotts of marriage supporters EH? YOU MEAN LIKE CHIK FIL A? I THINK THAT FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF BFD. AS IT TURNS OUT THERE WAS PROBABLY AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN THE STORES.
19 Bullying marriage supporters BULLYING WHICH MARRIAGE SUPPORTERS? THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET.
20 Hypocrites outing gays ODD YOU SHOULD USE HYPOCRIT TO DESCRIBE THE PERSON OUTING A GAY PERSON. WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO INSTANCES WHERE A CLOSETED GAY PERSON IS OUTSPOKEN AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY AND GETS CAUGHT WITH THEIR PANTS DOWN. BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE OUTSPOKEN AGAINST IS HYPOCRISY.
It would be nice of you to expand upon the points I've asked for clarification over. If you want me to fully understand all 21 of your claims you need to back them up a bit.
Winston Smith

Falls Church, VA

#157175 Aug 30, 2012
Here ya go:

My apologies for posting in all caps, but if I may rebutt point by point...
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'll repost my list of the top 20 best reasons for keeping marriage one man and one woman:
1 Posterity GAY MARRIAGE SHALL HAVE NOT ONE BIT OF INFLUENCE ON POSTERITY. GAYS WILL ALWAYS MAKE UP A SMALL PORTION OF THE POPULATION.
2 Vive le difference! WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT, YET WE'RE ALL THE SAME. NONE POINT HERE, BRIAN.
3 Survival. AGAIN, NOT ONE BIT OF INFLUENCE ON SURVIVAL OF THE SPECIES. GAYS WILL ALWAYS BE A SMALL MINORITY. GAINING ACCEPTANCE AND ACCESS TO MARRIAGE WILL NOT INCREASE THEIR NUMBER. STOP LISTING TO GARY.
4 Civil discourse.
4 Antidemocratic.
YOU NEED TO RECALL THAT WHEN COUNTING TO TWENTY, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T REPEAT NUMBERS. CIVIL DISCOURSE MOST CERTAINLY CAN OCCUR IN CONJUNCTION WITH SAME SEX COUPLES GAINING ACCESS TO MARRIAGE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GAY BASHING, WITH OR WITHOUT MARRIAGE. LIKEWISE THERE WILL BE GAYS THAT LASH OUT AGAINST SUCH BASHING. SOME OF THEM MAY CHOOSE METHODS THAT AREN'T CIVIL.
DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IS A SHIFTING SAND ON THIS MATTER.
5 Taboo. THE HUMAN RACE HAS QUITE AN EXTENSIVE LAUNDRY LIST OF TABOO ITEMS THAT HAVE BECOME ACCEPTED OVER TIME.
6 Entitlement spending YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS. AFAIK THIS IS A TALKING POINT OF NO SUBSTANCE.
7 Intrusive new regulation NO MORE INTRUSIVE THAN THE REGULATIONS THAT GRANT THE LEGAL BENEFITS OF MARRIAGE TO HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES. IF YOU OPPOSE THIS FOR GAYS, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO OPPOSE IT FOR STRAIGHTS.
8 Higher taxes ANOTHER POINT YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE WITH SOME FACTUAL EVIDENCE.
9 Fallacy of Composition ONLY BY YOUR STANDARDS. THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO DON'T SEE IT THIS WAY. THIS IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT WITH NO FACTUAL BASIS, ONLY EMOTIONAL.
10 Married women suffer less violence AND THIS APPLIES TO SAME SEX COUPLES MARRYING BY WHAT MEANS. IF YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT MARRIED WOMEN WILL SUFFER MORE VIOLENCE IF SAME SEX COUPLES ARE ALLOWED TO MARRY, YOU NEED TO DO SOME EXPLAINING.
11 Ex post facto law for married gays NON-STARTER POINT, EX POST FACTO LAW APPLIES TO CRIMINAL MATTERS, NOT CIVIL MATTERS.
12 Honor your mother and father ALSO A NON-STARTER. BEING GAY DOES NOT DISHONOR A PARENT UNLESS THEY'RE PREJUDICED. BEING GAY AND MARRYING YOUR SAME SEX PARTNER ISN'T DISHONORING A PARENT.
13 Kant's Catagorical Imperitive, what if everyone did C'MON, WHAT BIT OF PARANOIA PROMPTS THIS ARGUMENT. THE GAY POPULATION WILL NOT INCREASE AFTER GRANTING THEM ACCESS TO MARRIAGE.
14 Diversity and integration vs SSM is segregation GRANTING SAME SEX COUPLES ACCESS TO MARRIAGE IS DIVERSITY AND INTEGRATION. CURRENTLY THESE COUPLES ARE SEGREGATED IN THAT THEY CANNOT ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF MARRIAGE. THEY'RE KEPT OUTSIDE THE FENCE.
15 Backlash BACKLASH AGAINST WHAT? HOMOSEXUALS? IS THIS THE SAME AS NUMBER 16 BELOW? DETAILS ARE NECESSARY AT TIMES, BRIAN.
16 Scapegoating against homosexuals DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE FOLKS WHO WILL DO THIS IF HOMOSEXUALS GAIN ACCESS TO MARRIAGE AREN'T ALREADY DOING SO?
17 Consequences of changing law AGAIN, GIVE US VALID DETAILS, AVOID THESE BUMPER STICKER SLOGANS UNLESS YOU CAN GIVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEM.
18 Boycotts of marriage supporters EH? YOU MEAN LIKE CHIK FIL A? I THINK THAT FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF BFD. AS IT TURNS OUT THERE WAS PROBABLY AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN THE STORES.
19 Bullying marriage supporters BULLYING WHICH MARRIAGE SUPPORTERS? THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET.
20 Hypocrites outing gays ODD YOU SHOULD USE HYPOCRIT TO DESCRIBE THE PERSON OUTING A GAY PERSON. WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO INSTANCES WHERE A CLOSETED GAY PERSON IS OUTSPOKEN AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY AND GETS CAUGHT WITH THEIR PANTS DOWN. BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE OUTSPOKEN AGAINST IS HYPOCRISY.
It would be nice of you to expand upon the points I've asked for clarification over. If you want me to fully understand all 21 of your claims you need to back them up a bit.
ELH

Salem, OR

#157176 Aug 30, 2012
I see that professor Marvelous is busy BACK PEDDLING...it's probably time for him to being out KiMare for some comic relief!

Hey Prof Marabous, I know how much you LOVE current events. Have any thoughts on the news about Paul Cameron COMING OUT?

“RAKI !”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#157177 Aug 30, 2012
marriage in preserved for man and women ONLY !
anything else is a perversion and unnatural.
God blesses marriage between man and women, anything else goes against Godly law of nature.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should !
Winston Smith

Falls Church, VA

#157178 Aug 30, 2012
Ta Da:
My apologies for posting in all caps, but if I may rebutt point by point...
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'll repost my list of the top 20 best reasons for keeping marriage one man and one woman:
1 Posterity GAY MARRIAGE SHALL HAVE NOT ONE BIT OF INFLUENCE ON POSTERITY. GAYS WILL ALWAYS MAKE UP A SMALL PORTION OF THE POPULATION.
2 Vive le difference! WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT, YET WE'RE ALL THE SAME. NONE POINT HERE, BRIAN.
3 Survival. AGAIN, NOT ONE BIT OF INFLUENCE ON SURVIVAL OF THE SPECIES. GAYS WILL ALWAYS BE A SMALL MINORITY. GAINING ACCEPTANCE AND ACCESS TO MARRIAGE WILL NOT INCREASE THEIR NUMBER. STOP LISTING TO GARY.
4 Civil discourse.
4 Antidemocratic.
YOU NEED TO RECALL THAT WHEN COUNTING TO TWENTY, YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T REPEAT NUMBERS. CIVIL DISCOURSE MOST CERTAINLY CAN OCCUR IN CONJUNCTION WITH SAME SEX COUPLES GAINING ACCESS TO MARRIAGE. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GAY BASHING, WITH OR WITHOUT MARRIAGE. LIKEWISE THERE WILL BE GAYS THAT LASH OUT AGAINST SUCH BASHING. SOME OF THEM MAY CHOOSE METHODS THAT AREN'T CIVIL.
DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IS A SHIFTING SAND ON THIS MATTER.
5 Taboo. THE HUMAN RACE HAS QUITE AN EXTENSIVE LAUNDRY LIST OF TABOO ITEMS THAT HAVE BECOME ACCEPTED OVER TIME.
6 Entitlement spending YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS. AFAIK THIS IS A TALKING POINT OF NO SUBSTANCE.
7 Intrusive new regulation NO MORE INTRUSIVE THAN THE REGULATIONS THAT GRANT THE LEGAL BENEFITS OF MARRIAGE TO HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES. IF YOU OPPOSE THIS FOR GAYS, YOU REALLY OUGHT TO OPPOSE IT FOR STRAIGHTS.
8 Higher taxes ANOTHER POINT YOU NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE WITH SOME FACTUAL EVIDENCE.
9 Fallacy of Composition ONLY BY YOUR STANDARDS. THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO DON'T SEE IT THIS WAY. THIS IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT WITH NO FACTUAL BASIS, ONLY EMOTIONAL.
10 Married women suffer less violence AND THIS APPLIES TO SAME SEX COUPLES MARRYING BY WHAT MEANS. IF YOU'RE IMPLYING THAT MARRIED WOMEN WILL SUFFER MORE VIOLENCE IF SAME SEX COUPLES ARE ALLOWED TO MARRY, YOU NEED TO DO SOME EXPLAINING.
11 Ex post facto law for married gays NON-STARTER POINT, EX POST FACTO LAW APPLIES TO CRIMINAL MATTERS, NOT CIVIL MATTERS.
12 Honor your mother and father ALSO A NON-STARTER. BEING GAY DOES NOT DISHONOR A PARENT UNLESS THEY'RE PREJUDICED. BEING GAY AND MARRYING YOUR SAME SEX PARTNER ISN'T DISHONORING A PARENT.
13 Kant's Catagorical Imperitive, what if everyone did C'MON, WHAT BIT OF PARANOIA PROMPTS THIS ARGUMENT. THE GAY POPULATION WILL NOT INCREASE AFTER GRANTING THEM ACCESS TO MARRIAGE.
14 Diversity and integration vs SSM is segregation GRANTING SAME SEX COUPLES ACCESS TO MARRIAGE IS DIVERSITY AND INTEGRATION. CURRENTLY THESE COUPLES ARE SEGREGATED IN THAT THEY CANNOT ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF MARRIAGE. THEY'RE KEPT OUTSIDE THE FENCE.
15 Backlash BACKLASH AGAINST WHAT? HOMOSEXUALS? IS THIS THE SAME AS NUMBER 16 BELOW? DETAILS ARE NECESSARY AT TIMES, BRIAN.
16 Scapegoating against homosexuals DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE FOLKS WHO WILL DO THIS IF HOMOSEXUALS GAIN ACCESS TO MARRIAGE AREN'T ALREADY DOING SO?
17 Consequences of changing law AGAIN, GIVE US VALID DETAILS, AVOID THESE BUMPER STICKER SLOGANS UNLESS YOU CAN GIVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEM.
18 Boycotts of marriage supporters EH? YOU MEAN LIKE CHIK FIL A? I THINK THAT FALLS INTO THE CATEGORY OF BFD. AS IT TURNS OUT THERE WAS PROBABLY AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC IN THE STORES.
19 Bullying marriage supporters BULLYING WHICH MARRIAGE SUPPORTERS? THIS IS A TWO WAY STREET.
20 Hypocrites outing gays ODD YOU SHOULD USE HYPOCRIT TO DESCRIBE THE PERSON OUTING A GAY PERSON. WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO INSTANCES WHERE A CLOSETED GAY PERSON IS OUTSPOKEN AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY AND GETS CAUGHT WITH THEIR PANTS DOWN. BEING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE OUTSPOKEN AGAINST IS HYPOCRISY.
It would be nice of you to expand upon the points I've asked for clarification over. If you want me to fully understand all 21 of your claims you need to back them up a bit.
Winston Smith

Falls Church, VA

#157179 Aug 30, 2012
That was weird! No post, then all of 'em!
Frank Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#157180 Aug 30, 2012
ELH wrote:
<quoted text>
I see that The Cafe's Thursday morning circle jerk is finished. I hope you washed you hands before using the keyboard.
Not my style but how was it, did you come real good? Why would you care about my keyboard? Or is it my hands you're worried about?

YUK!YUK!YUK!
Winston Smith

Falls Church, VA

#157181 Aug 30, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Wasn't bad, Winnie. Made you frustrated and angry enough to call him gay.
YUK!YUK!YUK! Winston Smith.
Franni, Frannie, Frannie. Put down the crack pipe, you're seeing stuff that just ain't there.
ELH

Salem, OR

#157182 Aug 30, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
Why would you care about my keyboard?
Sorry! I forgot that you live alone and have no friends. You're right, there's probably no reason for you to wash your hands at all, not even after you wipe your ass. Well... assuming you wipe your ass at all.

Just forget I ever mentioned it and carry on as usual!
Winston Smith

Falls Church, VA

#157183 Aug 30, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not my style but how was it, did you come real good? Why would you care about my keyboard? Or is it my hands you're worried about?
YUK!YUK!YUK!
Frannie, I think it is your hygiene she's worried about. You just said it wasn't your style to wash up after a one on one with yourself. Maybe you ought to change your name to Sticky Paws. Or Frank Jizzo.
Winston Smith

United States

#157184 Aug 30, 2012
Armo wrote:
marriage in preserved for man and women ONLY !
anything else is a perversion and unnatural.
God blesses marriage between man and women, anything else goes against Godly law of nature.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should !
Preserved? Is that with 10% BNF?
Were back

La Puente, CA

#157185 Aug 30, 2012
But when we come back were always so nice. Not like the majority of nasty, racists and threatning posts that come afterwards.
Frank Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#157186 Aug 30, 2012
Winston Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Franni, Frannie, Frannie. Put down the crack pipe, you're seeing stuff that just ain't there.
Are you fibbing again Winnie? Everyone can easily see that you called him a closet queen. Or is everyone else seeing stuff that isn't there too?

YUK!YUK!YUK! Winnie, His worst insult is "You're gay!" While he criticizes other poster's insults. Priceless!
Frank Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#157187 Aug 30, 2012
ELH wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry! I forgot that you live alone and have no friends. You're right, there's probably no reason for you to wash your hands at all, not even after you wipe your ass. Well... assuming you wipe your ass at all.
Just forget I ever mentioned it and carry on as usual!
You forgot to tell me about the circle jerk, I don't like that sort of thing but how was it for you?

ELH. Brain Surgeon. Mother of 9, 2 adopted. Only 19 years old and a hot redhead clinical psychiatrist and foot fetish porn model! Takes time off her hectic schedule to post stupid stuff about Frank Rizzo washing his hands! No one laughs, except Frank.

YUK!YUK!YUK!ELH.

Priceless!
Frank Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#157188 Aug 30, 2012
Winston Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Frannie, I think it is your hygiene she's worried about. You just said it wasn't your style to wash up after a one on one with yourself. Maybe you ought to change your name to Sticky Paws. Or Frank Jizzo.
"Sticky Paws! Frank Jizzo"!! Your killin' us today Winnie! And it proves the judge made the right decision too! So profound and persuasive.

YUK!YUK!YUK! Winnie tries another "you're gay" joke. Fails.
Were back

La Puente, CA

#157189 Aug 30, 2012
I did see a rizzo on the guest list, maybe it's for th cleaning crew list?

Since: Jul 12

Post Falls

#157190 Aug 30, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you fibbing again Winnie? Everyone can easily see that you called him a closet queen. Or is everyone else seeing stuff that isn't there too?
YUK!YUK!YUK! Winnie, His worst insult is "You're gay!" While he criticizes other poster's insults. Priceless!
Do to your lunatic ravening against gays and your obsession with hanging out with us all day instead of having a life. It's easy to believe you and your friends care closet cases. Your anger is because of your insane denial of who you are.
Frank Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#157193 Aug 30, 2012
YUK!YUK!YUK!

Prof Marvel

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Since: Aug 09

Atlanta, GA

#157195 Aug 30, 2012
Besides ballooning to almost 400 pounds (356)Chaz Bono now has the $45,000 needed to get a plastic dick.

Obviously, Ms. Bono is a very sick woman -- but in the gay world she's considered a role model -- she gives lectures to children at schools telling them they don't have to stay the gender they were born either -- that they too can one day buy a plastic penis or plastic vagina.

When are you straight morons who support same-sex marriage going to wake up and realize these people are nuttier than fruit cakes?

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