God Particle Found
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HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#1 Mar 15, 2013
Scientists said Thursday that they believe they have discovered the elusive Higgs boson particle, sometimes called "the God particle," that is theorized to be a crucial building block of the universe.

Everything that exists is a particle of God. I believe if you checked into your Inner world through meditation that it would be self- evident. Everyone know that deep in your DNA. I find it amusing that Technology has to Scientifically "prove" that what spiritual history has always known.
meh

Toronto, Canada

#2 Mar 15, 2013
Why would you start a post about something you obviously don't even understand? Oh that's right, to try and spin it into some kind of religious bullshit.
The Higgs Boson is basically just the next step in microscopic magnification. Before, we only knew that all matter was made of atoms. This discovery answers the question "What are atoms made of?"
Stop trying to bully your ancient fairytales into REAL life.
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#3 Mar 16, 2013
The relevancy of this argument deals with the theory of creation. How, without a force acting upon something, can it truly begin?, then start it's purpose whatever it is. Beginning. In order for something to start, it must be acted on by force.

So, even if we had the building block of the universe, something would had to have set it in motion to begin.

So, as far as we know the outside force is yet to be defined.

A universe at rest stays at rest, unless acted upon by a outside force. Similarity of the universe as it applies to Newton's first law of physics. The longest standing knowledge in this world bases this theory around a figure. God or a higher power.(which has neither been proven or disproved) This God was the force acting upon the universe to begin our existence, as we know it to be.

The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a beginning.
It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a cause.
The universe therefore requires a cause, just as Genesis 1:1 and Romans 1:20 teach.
God, as creator of time, is outside of time. Since therefore He has no beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn’t need a cause.

http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/77380/did -...

Every discovery that Science makes is just further proving the truth of God and the Bible. They are just being given another piece of the puzzle and God smiles.
meh

Toronto, Canada

#4 Mar 16, 2013
It never fails to shock me when someone that appears slightly educated (as you do) turns out to be a religious fruitcake. How can you grasp concepts of physics, yet still buy into the insane nonsense that is your Bible? Talking snakes and burning bushes? Zombie savior?'holy' ghosts and spirits? et al.
And if you claim [Quote] "It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a cause" - Explain your 'immaculate' conception.- Yet another asinine biblical contradiction.
I don't know why I bother arguing with you people, religion is hands down the world's most annoying mental illness. Can't you just keep it to yourselves? Please?
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#5 Mar 16, 2013
Immaculate Conception is a belief of the Catholic Church. I do not share this belief so I can't help you with that one.

If a christian were to write a science text the main difference would probably state:

That conclusion is this: The universe and it's laws of science was brought into being by a transcendent cause, which we would normally refer to as God.

So what is that so horrible? What is your problem with those statements? I didn't tell you to go keep science to yourself so that others would be uneducated and not know about God's creation or laws?
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#6 Mar 16, 2013
Are people so gullible and narrow-minded!
Some must be, indeed, since some:

fail to accept that an effect can exist without an adequate cause

find it incoherent that anyone could accept that nothing could have given rise to something

find it also difficult to comprehend how so many intelligent (some not-so-intelligent, of course) people could believe that all of the intricate biological design in the world, even down to the machine-like functioning of many molecular biological systems, the intracacies of the genetic code of DNA could have come into being with no intelligence involved at all.

How intelligent is that?
meh

Toronto, Canada

#7 Mar 16, 2013
brainstorming on the fly here...but it seems to me that through Science and Technology, we humans have each become "Gods" of our own universes. What was once arcane and magical is now mundane.

I myself can turn water into wine. All I need are some grapes, sugar and yeast.

A geneticist can 'immaculately' create life, in a test tube.

David Blaine can walk on water.

Benny Hinn can lay hands on the sick (lol)

A million doctors have cured blindness, handicaps and diseases.

A plush talking snake now sings lullabyes to my daughter (batteries required)

Mankind can now fly, control the weather, and revive the dead.

How is it that these events are divine and mystical in your book, yet occur daily now?
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#8 Mar 16, 2013
All those things can we do because God granted us free will and the ability to attain knowledge. You may revive the dead but you will not defeat death. This can only be done through Christ who can give you eternal life.

Job Chapter 38 אִ&#14 97;ּו& #1465;ב

4 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
When it burst forth and issued from the womb;
9 When I made the clouds its garment,
And thick darkness its swaddling band;
10 When I fixed My limit for it,
And set bars and doors;
11 When I said,
‘This far you may come, but no farther,
And here your proud waves must stop!’
12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
And caused the dawn to know its place,
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
And the wicked be shaken out of it?
14 It takes on form like clay under a seal,
And stands out like a garment.
15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
And the upraised arm is broken.
16 “Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Or have you walked in search of the depths?
17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you?
Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?
18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth?
Tell Me, if you know all this.
19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,
20 That you may take it to its territory,
That you may know the paths to its home?
21 Do you know it, because you were born then,
Or because the number of your days is great?
22 “Have you entered the treasury of snow,
Or have you seen the treasury of hail,
23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
For the day of battle and war?
24 By what way is light diffused,
Or the east wind scattered over the earth?
25 “Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water,
Or a path for the thunderbolt,
26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one,
A wilderness in which there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate waste,
And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass?
28 Has the rain a father?
Or who has begotten the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth?
30 The waters harden like stone,
And the surface of the deep is frozen.
31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?
32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth[a] in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?
34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?
35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go,
And say to you,‘Here we are!’?
36 Who has put wisdom in the mind?[b]
Or who has given understanding to the heart?
37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven,
38 When the dust hardens in clumps,
And the clods cling together?
meh

Toronto, Canada

#9 Mar 16, 2013
Funny. God's taking credit for technology now huh? Was only a couple hundred years ago that you Christians blamed it on Satan. Witch trials, anyone?
Amazing how ya'll can spin ancient poetry into a quasi-answer for most anything, in lieu of any sort of fact, proof, thought, common sense, logic or reason. Because afterall, who can argue with an invisible man in the sky who knows everything?

.....
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#10 Mar 16, 2013
How many facts can you overlook? How many more do you need if you can not see the ones in front of you now? They are in front of you and everywhere. Your existence is one of the amazing facts.

I don't think God ever said he lived in the sky. Maybe he is transcendent and lives in all things? Maybe he has talked through poetry and I am okay with that. Would you prefer he communicate to you in another manner? How about a direct telephone line? That would kind of eliminate the need for faith wouldn't it?

I most often refer to God as male because in the Bible this is how men refer to him, Abba or Father. In Genesis or the Bible if I am correct he does not denote a gender. The scripture states that he created man in his image..both male and female he created them.

As for witch trials and other things you mention, many things have been done by man naming God but were not of him or ever his will. In the Bible God tells those who do evil things to get away from him, that he never knew them.

meh

Toronto, Canada

#11 Mar 16, 2013
HOTOTO wrote:
How many facts can you overlook?
You still haven't presented *ANY*. Zero. Zilch. None.
"Facts" can be substantiated with proof. Religion requires and provides none of the above. You're the one dancing around the solid points I've made, avoiding them with more and more fictional scripture.
I could sit here and use your same circular arguments for the existance of giants, mermaids and cyclops, after all,...ancient texts like "The Illiad" spoke of their existance.
What really pisses me off about Christians isn't just your head and mouth full of fairytales, but it's your outright blind arrogance that YOU and only YOU are correct. Agnostics are the only sect I feel a modicum of respect toward. At least they have the guts to admit that NObody knows for sure. Get over yourself. Guess you skimmed past the verses about meekness and being humble...
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#12 Mar 16, 2013
BELIEFS

I share Mr. Dutchs view below about trying to prove Gods existence:

One may pretty well believe what he wants to believe. He can erect a logical system within which he can explain all the physical data upon any one of any number of mutually exclusive and contradictory premises.

The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved

So could one be virtually certain that God will not permit itself to be experimented on or statistically analyzed? If it acts, it will be in a way that defies statistical discovery. The signal will be buried in the noise, and if it's discoverable at all, it will be by methods so elaborate that their very complexity raises doubt about their validity.
Steven Dutch, Natural and Applied Sciences, University of Wisconsin - Green Bay

My Thoughts:

Pay very close attention to what comes next:

The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists:“And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him”(Hebrews 11:6).

If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith.“Then Jesus told him,‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’”(John 20:29).

Sorry that you have such a dislike for christians. Most are very nice folks.

Just speaking of my own experience with many atheists I find they tend to try to explain away God by using scientific arguments. This is a fruitless endevour. I think that a lot of them had trouble early in life with authority figures during childhood. Many kinda carry a chip and feel they need to disprove God or those who believe in a higher power than man.

I sometimes think they feel if they can disprove God through arguments they can go on about their life without having to worry about accountability, guilt or punishment. Many don't like the idea that they will be held accountable for sin or will face judgement concerning their decisions.

I don't think all christians think that they know everything. I don't that is for sure. I do enjoy learning and attempt to keep an open mind.
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#13 Mar 16, 2013
The Majesty of God is Manifest in What He Has Made

Some proofs that I can see would be:

YOU:

"13For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be." (139:13-16)

THE HEAVENS

"3When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,
which you have set in place,
4what is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him?
5You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings and crowned him with glory and honor." (8:3-5)

"The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (19:1)

Statistical probability of life, DNA, your existence alone.

The universe, the stars, mountains, oceans, earth, the wind, the eyes of a child.

If you can not see these things, no amount of evidence will ever convince you.
meh

Toronto, Canada

#14 Mar 16, 2013
The sum of everything you've brought to the table is "A book told me so".

Books once told us the world was flat.

Your book contains a multitude of absurd and demented tales, which you refuse to even debate, question or acknowledge, yet proclaim as 100% true, accurate, and infallable.
It makes me truly sad that in this advanced day of age, so many people still waste away their time, efforts and lives on a cult of superstitions. Enjoy being ignorant... eternally, I suppose.
meh

Toronto, Canada

#15 Mar 17, 2013
"In the beginning, God created Heaven and Earth"

except...this wasn't the beginning, as God himself (supposedly) pre-existed. If not for MAN putting pencil to paper, who created GOD? Your own logic defiles you, in that you deny that the complexities of our universe could "just happen" without a higher power. Yet you accept that God himself just WAS. The chicken that laid the egg that hatched itself. Ouroboros in reverse. Your book of choice is flawed and nonsensical from the very first verse.
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#16 Mar 17, 2013
“When studying the science of the ancient world, one is more apt to be impressed with its ignorance than to admire its accuracy. However, the Bible offers a definite exception to this rule. The Scriptures are replete with statements suggesting scientific knowledge which predates the corresponding discoveries of secular science. Given that Bible writers were not scientists, and given that the scientific information at their disposal was generally misleading, the accuracy of the Bible can only be attributed to the inspiration of God.”[1]

In popular opinion, there has long been a widespread impression that science and the scientific method has always been at odds with the Biblical Worldview --always needing to fight against "religious ignorance." Though there have been many instances of science in conflict with religion around the world, when it comes to the Judeo-Christian Theistic worldview, that general impression is actually far from the truth. In reality, modern Western science was founded upon Judeo-Christian presuppositional foundations from the Bible. And whatsmore, the scientific method today --with an emphasis on logical experimenation and mathematical formulation-- still operates on those assumptions.

Up through the middle ages and until the 1800s, modern science (and its method) was shaped and developed largely by discussions about nature among Bible-believing Christians, such as Buridan, Copernicus, Kepler, Paracelsus, Galileo, Descartes, Newton, Boyle, Linnaeus and Cuvier.--(See lists of great scientists and inventors below).

Great Scientists working from a biblical worldview
(...who established the modern scientific method)

Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519)- Hydraulics, Anatomy
Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)- Celestial Mechanics, Astronomy
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)- Hydrostatics, Fluid Pressure
Robert Boyle (1627-1691)- Chemistry, Elements, Gas Volume & Pressure, Scientific Method
Isaac Newton (1642-1727)- Calculus, Laws of Gravity & Motion
John Woodward (1665-1728)- Paleontology
Carl Linnaeus (1707-1778)- Systematic Biology Classification
Georges Cuvier (1769-1832)- Comparative Anatomy, Vertebrate Paleontology
Michael Faraday (1791-1867)- Electromagnetics, Field Theory
Charles Babbage (1792-1871)- Computer Science
Louis Agassiz (1807-1873)- Ichthyology, Glacial Geology
James Joule (1818-1889)- Reversible Thermodynamics
Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)- Genetics
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895)- Bacteriology, Germs cause Disease, Law of Biogenesis
Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)- Thermodynamics, Energetics
William Ramsay (1852-1916)- Isotopic Chemistry

http://worldview3.50webs.com/scientmethod.htm...

Another poster stated this more clearly than I :

Done my Homework:
"I don't hold the Bible to be inerrant {too many human hands for that}, but I do hold it to be True, and if you hear it, you'll know why,in a way others simply can't.
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#17 Mar 17, 2013
meh wrote:
"In the beginning, God created Heaven and Earth"
except...this wasn't the beginning, as God himself (supposedly) pre-existed. If not for MAN putting pencil to paper, who created GOD? Your own logic defiles you, in that you deny that the complexities of our universe could "just happen" without a higher power. Yet you accept that God himself just WAS. The chicken that laid the egg that hatched itself. Ouroboros in reverse. Your book of choice is flawed and nonsensical from the very first verse.
You criticize my theory yet you have not one of your own? I await your explanation of how the universe sprang into being without something acting upon it? No reaction without an action? Who made the action? Who made the elements? The chicken or the egg, haha your theory has neither and holds no answers? Why don't you explain all of this since you have this direct knowledge?

All of those statistical improbabalities trillions of trillions of chances against life, the formation of earth by happenstance, the biological complexity of life but you chose to ignore all that evidence. You attempt to ignore the complexity of DNA or the encoded laguage of the cell. No it was not born of chance or by happenstance, it was created by the hand of God.
meh

Toronto, Canada

#18 Mar 17, 2013
Again you spew into more tangets to avoid the glaring failures of your own circular logic. Christians always exclaim that the complexities of our universe couldn't have 'just happened' yet accept that the creator of it all 'just was'.

I'll not waste my time teaching history, but let me remind you that many of the earlier scientists you quoted lived in a time when they would have been put to death for speaking against God. Topping your list is another blatant mistake:

Quote from Da Vinci's 1550 biography: "his cast of mind was so heretical that he did not adhere to any religion, thinking perhaps that it was better to be a philosopher than a Christian."

Sounds like he would have agreed with my stance that every single invention or discovery you listed were the products of MEN; who's minds were unburdened by the restraints of archaic legends.

As for my beliefs, why even bother asking?
Your smug Christian arrogance has taught you to hold yourselves superior, righteous, chosen. Weren't such perversions of PRIDE considered one of the seven deadly sins?
Worse than that, you're programmed to "spread the word" and endlessly attempt to sculpt others into your likeness.(yet another ironic God-complex) Such zealotry is one reason there will never be peace on earth, the religous refuse to just shut up, stop judging others, and to live and let live.

Modern churches are an abomination, and almost NOONE even attempts to be 'Christ-like' as the Christian title itself translates. Most seem to have discarded the most important lessons I gleaned from your book: love, compassion, forgiveness, humility, honesty, charity, respect, generosity, integrity, et al.

*IF* your Christ truly existed, he was most certainly a liberal hippie.... I wonder how that fact sits with the perversion that is today's religious right.
meh

Toronto, Canada

#19 Mar 17, 2013
HOTOTO wrote:
All those things can we do because God granted us free will and the ability to attain knowledge.
If this is true, then why was the very first sin to "eat from the tree of knowledge"?
Yet another nonsensical loop in your texts.

Why would any leader wish to deny his people truth and knowledge, to condemn them to ignorance and stupidity?

I'm sure Jim Jones didn't want his people leaving Jonestown either, nor did Koresh allow his followers to watch TV or read the WACO newspaper.

Truth is only an enemy if you're perpetrating lies.
HOTOTO

Sunbright, TN

#20 Mar 18, 2013
Lies are only an enemy if you're perpetrating the truth.

Well, well. Can't see the forest for the trees.You cannot make someone pay attention to something that he or she does not want to notice.

Composition of the text

The phrase in Hebrew: translatable as good and evil, may be an example of the type of figure of speech known as merism. This literary device pairs opposite terms together, in order to create a general meaning; so that the phrase "good and evil" would simply imply "everything".

In Jewish tradition, the Tree of Knowledge and the eating of its fruit represents the beginning of the mixture of good and evil together. Before that time, the two were separate, and evil had only a nebulous existence in potentia. While free choice did exist before eating the fruit, evil existed as an entity separate from the human psyche, and it was not in human nature to desire it. Eating and internalizing the forbidden fruit changed this and thus was born the yeitzer hara, the Evil Inclination.[4][5]

Augustine underlined that the fruits of that tree were not evil by themselves, because everything that God created was good (Gen 1:12). It was disobedience of Adam and Eve, who had been told by God not to eat of the tree (Gen 2:17), that was obnoxious and caused disorder in the creation,[19] thus humanity inherited sin and guilt from Adam and Eve's sin.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_the_know...

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