Does The Bible Debase "God?"

Does The Bible Debase "God?"

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uh huh

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#1 Jan 10, 2013
Does The Bible Debase "God?" (another uh huh original)

I can acknowledge the Bible because it discusses "God," however, I feel as though the Bible debases "God" on many different levels. How do we know the Bible was not simply intended as a mechanism for societal control and development, as opposed to actually accurately depicting "God?" Is "God" even meant to be depicted?

The Bible is presented as evidence, as a testament to "God," to bring people to "God." However, many characteristics of this book seem to defeat this very purpose, causing many to question and doubt "God" as a result.

The Bible is essentially presented as the "exclusive, authorized" word of "God." This premise basically implicates that all other claimed knowledge of "God" is invalid. As all good businessmen know, in order to squash the competition, you have to diminish it. Could this be an example of profit motive? Could it possibly be a streamlined machine for societal influence and control?

The existence and premise of the Bible also provides a platform for further "authorized" modification, as already demonstrated by the addition of the New Testament, and the scarcely accepted Mormon addition. These additions basically demonstrate that the Bible is (or at least was) indeed a "work in progress." But why would this be? Why would an omniscient "God" have to update information at a later date? Additions to the Bible can cause some to question "God's" prerogative.

The Bible also introduces a plethora of figures for potential worship before "God," the central figure being Christ. The Bible also presents the figure Satan. It isn't surprising that in modern society Satanism is somewhat prevalent. Furthermore, "God" is presented in the Bible as condemning murder. However, the same "God" requires sacrifices to fulfill certain stipulations. So is "God" against murder, or for murder? Is "God" hypocritical?

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uh huh

Cambridge, MA

#2 Jan 10, 2013
Additionally, the Bible was essentially written by regular men. We all know humans are susceptible to error. Also, the Bible has been translated and re-translated so many times, how do we know it is still even accurate? How do we know crucial information pertaining to "God" was not lost in these conversions?

The Bible's antiquated dialogue and events make "God" seem outdated and out of reach. Almost as if "God" is stuck in antiquity. But of course, "God" is timeless. Those attempting to make a connection with "God" through the Bible may find "God" to be too "out-of-date." Resultantly, this debases the timelessness of "God."

One of the most pronounced complications of the Bible concerns personal interpretation. Various interpretations lead to confusion and conflict concerning scripture. But supposedly "God" is not one of confusion (I Corinthians 14:33). Much of the Bible is written as allegory or metaphor, confounding and unnecessarily complicating the actual messages in many cases. If "God" wanted you to know something of great importance, why wouldn't "God" present it directly?

The Bible could have been produced with an ulterior motive in mind, such as motive to benefit a certain group of people (e.g. the Jews).

Also, the Bible presents "God" as interacting only with a certain select few of "authorized" followers. This can cause the average person to feel detached from "God."

The existence of the Bible largely limits "God" to text. "God" is an omnipotent being, "creator" of all, and omnipresent, yet "God" must rely on futile paper to communicate tenets and ideas. The entire existence of the Bible seems like quite a disservice to "God."

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uh huh

Cambridge, MA

#3 Jan 10, 2013
Furthermore, the Bible states "our father, who art in heaven (Matthew 6:9)," however I thought "God" was omnipresent (Jeremiah 23:23-24, Psalm 139:7-12)? How can "God" only be in heaven, but everywhere simultaneously?

The Bible also limits "God" by largely construing "God" as a "he," propagating the inaccurate idea that "God" is a man floating in the sky.

Additionally, the Bible itself begins and ends. This is not representative of "God" because "God" does neither. Since the Bible somewhat concludes, this could easily give one the impression that "God" essentially cut all ties and that "God" is no longer involved. This too could form a limited impression of "God," considering that "God" is eternal.

On a more interesting note, the Bible could actually be the work of Satan/malicious intentions, as the original ten commandments declare to make "no images or likenesses of anything in heaven, on Earth, or in the waters under the Earth." This could be a subtle warning from "God" condemning the Bible itself. Obviously the entire Bible ignores this tenet, because the Bible does nothing but describe and represent heaven, Earth, etc. On the other hand, no commandment is given that declares depictions of hell as unlawful, so maybe the Bible is actually describing hell?

Simply put, the Bible could be a false representation of "God" altogether.

In conclusion, many aspects of the Bible can cause the reader to question the book. With numerous contradictions, and centuries of alteration and translation, how could one not? So how is "God" debased? If the reader questions the book, then there is a high probability that the essence, authenticity and very existence of "God" will be questioned too.

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#4 Jan 10, 2013
Interesting how you seem to answer some of your own questions. Do you know which ones?
my goodness

Wartburg, TN

#5 Jan 10, 2013
how do we know you are a real person or a device of Satans work?

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#6 Jan 10, 2013
my goodness wrote:
how do we know you are a real person or a device of Satans work?
To whom are you referring?

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#7 Jan 10, 2013
uh huh wrote:
Does The Bible Debase "God?" (another uh huh original)
I can acknowledge the Bible because it discusses "God," however, I feel as though the Bible debases "God" on many different levels. How do we know the Bible was not simply intended as a mechanism for societal control and development, as opposed to actually accurately depicting "God?" Is "God" even meant to be depicted?
The Bible is presented as evidence, as a testament to "God," to bring people to "God." However, many characteristics of this book seem to defeat this very purpose, causing many to question and doubt "God" as a result.
The Bible is essentially presented as the "exclusive, authorized" word of "God." This premise basically implicates that all other claimed knowledge of "God" is invalid. As all good businessmen know, in order to squash the competition, you have to diminish it. Could this be an example of profit motive? Could it possibly be a streamlined machine for societal influence and control?
The existence and premise of the Bible also provides a platform for further "authorized" modification, as already demonstrated by the addition of the New Testament, and the scarcely accepted Mormon addition. These additions basically demonstrate that the Bible is (or at least was) indeed a "work in progress." But why would this be? Why would an omniscient "God" have to update information at a later date? Additions to the Bible can cause some to question "God's" prerogative.
The Bible also introduces a plethora of figures for potential worship before "God," the central figure being Christ. The Bible also presents the figure Satan. It isn't surprising that in modern society Satanism is somewhat prevalent. Furthermore, "God" is presented in the Bible as condemning murder. However, the same "God" requires sacrifices to fulfill certain stipulations. So is "God" against murder, or for murder? Is "God" hypocritical?
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You stated,""God" is presented in the Bible as condemning murder. However, the same "God" requires sacrifices to fulfill certain stipulations. So is "God" against murder, or for murder? Is "God" hypocritical?" There is a major difference between murder,and animal sacrifice..The two are not even close to the same...You write a well structured post,yet you state at the end a couple sentences that hurt your post..How can many men write things that are in the Bible,at different times and in different places,yet they come together like puzzle pieces in a puzzle..Put them together and it make a very beautiful and clear picture..Despite some peoples assertions that there are inconsistencies in the Bible,there really are none..Just need to truly open your heart and read with the total intent on understanding the Bible..But there is a problem though.The problem? The Bible basically states that only a Christian will be able to really understand the Bible..Every time a Christian opens his heart to the truth,He will open up another truth to him..You can read the Bible many many times,and God will open up another truth that you missed in your previous studies..The Bible is alive in a sense,and will reveal more truths if a person continues to study it.

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#8 Jan 10, 2013
uh huh wrote:
Furthermore, the Bible states "our father, who art in heaven (Matthew 6:9)," however I thought "God" was omnipresent (Jeremiah 23:23-24, Psalm 139:7-12)? How can "God" only be in heaven, but everywhere simultaneously?
The Bible also limits "God" by largely construing "God" as a "he," propagating the inaccurate idea that "God" is a man floating in the sky.
Additionally, the Bible itself begins and ends. This is not representative of "God" because "God" does neither. Since the Bible somewhat concludes, this could easily give one the impression that "God" essentially cut all ties and that "God" is no longer involved. This too could form a limited impression of "God," considering that "God" is eternal.
On a more interesting note, the Bible could actually be the work of Satan/malicious intentions, as the original ten commandments declare to make "no images or likenesses of anything in heaven, on Earth, or in the waters under the Earth." This could be a subtle warning from "God" condemning the Bible itself. Obviously the entire Bible ignores this tenet, because the Bible does nothing but describe and represent heaven, Earth, etc. On the other hand, no commandment is given that declares depictions of hell as unlawful, so maybe the Bible is actually describing hell?
Simply put, the Bible could be a false representation of "God" altogether.
In conclusion, many aspects of the Bible can cause the reader to question the book. With numerous contradictions, and centuries of alteration and translation, how could one not? So how is "God" debased? If the reader questions the book, then there is a high probability that the essence, authenticity and very existence of "God" will be questioned too.
You state,"the Bible states "our father, who art in heaven (Matthew 6:9)," however I thought "God" was omnipresent (Jeremiah 23:23-24, Psalm 139:7-12)? How can "God" only be in heaven, but everywhere simultaneously?".....The answer you already answered..God can be in both places at the same time,thus the word,"omnipresent"..
You state,"The Bible also limits "God" by largely construing "God" as a "he," propagating the inaccurate idea that "God" is a man floating in the sky."..God is a "He",that is quite clear,but I do not find anywhere that God "floats" in the sky..He is everywhere all at the same time,thus he is not just "floating"...
You state,"Additionally, the Bible itself begins and ends. This is not representative of "God" because "God" does neither.".....The Bible is confined to a certain amount of words,but it is just a snapshot of who He is and what went on..In John 21:25 it says,"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
That verse only speaks about Jesus,thus as you can see we could not write down everything,ever, and you could not read all of it ever..Thus God just gave us a snap shot to help our finite minds understand Him..
You state,"as the original ten commandments declare to make "no images or likenesses of anything in heaven, on Earth, or in the waters under the Earth." This could be a subtle warning from "God" condemning the Bible itself." Really? The Bible is Gods Word,not an image or likeness of Him..

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#9 Jan 10, 2013
uh huh wrote:
Additionally, the Bible was essentially written by regular men. We all know humans are susceptible to error. Also, the Bible has been translated and re-translated so many times, how do we know it is still even accurate? How do we know crucial information pertaining to "God" was not lost in these conversions?
The Bible's antiquated dialogue and events make "God" seem outdated and out of reach. Almost as if "God" is stuck in antiquity. But of course, "God" is timeless. Those attempting to make a connection with "God" through the Bible may find "God" to be too "out-of-date." Resultantly, this debases the timelessness of "God."
One of the most pronounced complications of the Bible concerns personal interpretation. Various interpretations lead to confusion and conflict concerning scripture. But supposedly "God" is not one of confusion (I Corinthians 14:33). Much of the Bible is written as allegory or metaphor, confounding and unnecessarily complicating the actual messages in many cases. If "God" wanted you to know something of great importance, why wouldn't "God" present it directly?
The Bible could have been produced with an ulterior motive in mind, such as motive to benefit a certain group of people (e.g. the Jews).
Also, the Bible presents "God" as interacting only with a certain select few of "authorized" followers. This can cause the average person to feel detached from "God."
The existence of the Bible largely limits "God" to text. "God" is an omnipotent being, "creator" of all, and omnipresent, yet "God" must rely on futile paper to communicate tenets and ideas. The entire existence of the Bible seems like quite a disservice to "God."
(continued)
Gods Word is not confusing..You need to realize that we are humans with many many faults,and only a finite mind..Also some people that interpret the Bible are not Christians and have ulterior motives in confusing things.
As far as the Bible being written by men,and that will cause mistakes is wrong.The men who wrote the Bible were guided by God the Holy Spirit..

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#10 Jan 10, 2013
Mechanic_45 wrote:
Interesting how you seem to answer some of your own questions. Do you know which ones?
I agree.
uh huh

Cambridge, MA

#11 Jan 11, 2013
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
You stated,""God" is presented in the Bible as condemning murder. However, the same "God" requires sacrifices to fulfill certain stipulations. So is "God" against murder, or for murder? Is "God" hypocritical?" There is a major difference between murder,and animal sacrifice..The two are not even close to the same...
doesnt murder involve killing? dont sacrifices involve killing? whether its ritualistic or not, it is still killing
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
You write a well structured post,yet you state at the end a couple sentences that hurt your post..How can many men write things that are in the Bible,at different times and in different places,yet they come together like puzzle pieces in a puzzle..Put them together and it make a very beautiful and clear picture..Despite some peoples assertions that there are inconsistencies in the Bible,there really are none..Just need to truly open your heart and read with the total intent on understanding the Bible..But there is a problem though.The problem? The Bible basically states that only a Christian will be able to really understand the Bible..
thanks, it could have been better. why do the pieces fit? maybe because they were written to fit? dont you think writers were aware of the other scripture? why would only a christian be able to understand? maybe because they wish to be christian, so they choose to believe it?
uh huh

Cambridge, MA

#12 Jan 11, 2013
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
You stated,""God" is presented in the Bible as condemning murder. However, the same "God" requires sacrifices to fulfill certain stipulations. So is "God" against murder, or for murder? Is "God" hypocritical?" There is a major difference between murder,and animal sacrifice..The two are not even close to the same...
and not only animals are sacrificed in the bible
uh huh

Cambridge, MA

#13 Jan 11, 2013
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
You state,"the Bible states "our father, who art in heaven (Matthew 6:9)," however I thought "God" was omnipresent (Jeremiah 23:23-24, Psalm 139:7-12)? How can "God" only be in heaven, but everywhere simultaneously?".....The answer you already answered..God can be in both places at the same time,thus the word,"omnipresent"..
correct. thanks for pointing this out. i was demonstrating how different scripture can possibly cause one to misunderstand the essence of "God." "God" is not only present in heaven, but hell too. plus everywhere else.
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
You state,"The Bible also limits "God" by largely construing "God" as a "he," propagating the inaccurate idea that "God" is a man floating in the sky."..God is a "He",that is quite clear,but I do not find anywhere that God "floats" in the sky..He is everywhere all at the same time,thus he is not just "floating"...
correct again. however i was referencing the previous scripture "our father who art in heaven." (a stressed message in most churches) i can definitely see how some would interpret this as a man-being looking down on us, which is inaccurate. many dont take time to read the bible, they just listen to preachers and then repeat what they heard. and of course the preachers get their ideas from the bible, regardless if its good or bad, right or wrong
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
You state,"Additionally, the Bible itself begins and ends. This is not representative of "God" because "God" does neither.".....The Bible is confined to a certain amount of words,but it is just a snapshot of who He is and what went on..
In John 21:25 it says,"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."
That verse only speaks about Jesus,thus as you can see we could not write down everything,ever, and you could not read all of it ever..Thus God just gave us a snap shot to help our finite minds understand Him..
agreed. however "God" is not a snapshot. "God" is the whole picture. representing something of this nature can never be totally accurate, based on the very nature of it, so presenting one book as the exclusive word is especially confining. i heard a lot about jesus here, but what about "God?"
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
You state,"as the original ten commandments declare to make "no images or likenesses of anything in heaven, on Earth, or in the waters under the Earth." This could be a subtle warning from "God" condemning the Bible itself." Really? The Bible is Gods Word,not an image or likeness of Him..
yes, it is presented as the word, but what is the bible? a physical book containing representations and depictions of things in heaven, earth, etc. "him" in itself forms an image of "God" in the mind. is it right?
uh huh

Cambridge, MA

#14 Jan 11, 2013
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
Gods Word is not confusing..
quick point. why is there a page wasted on joseph's lineage, when jesus was not even his biological son?
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
You need to realize that we are humans with many many faults
i believe i addressed this in the article
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
Also some people that interpret the Bible are not Christians and have ulterior motives in confusing things.
agreed. however, when someone presents a book, and says it is essentially the only book to trust, shouldnt you feel at least a bit skeptical?
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
As far as the Bible being written by men,and that will cause mistakes is wrong.The men who wrote the Bible were guided by God the Holy Spirit..
and joseph smith was guided by one too, and golden plates. do you believe him?
uh huh

Cambridge, MA

#15 Jan 11, 2013
Mechanic_45 wrote:
Interesting how you seem to answer some of your own questions. Do you know which ones?
could you point them out?
uh huh

Cambridge, MA

#16 Jan 11, 2013
my goodness wrote:
how do we know you are a real person or a device of Satans work?
does it sound like i support satan? if i supported satan, why would i be wary of satan? if i denied your assertion, would you believe me anyway?
uh huh

Herndon, VA

#17 Jan 11, 2013
Green Hornet 007 wrote:
Gods Word is not confusing..You need to realize that we are humans with many many faults..
As far as the Bible being written by men,and that will cause mistakes is wrong.The men who wrote the Bible were guided by God the Holy Spirit..
this is excluding part of my point. it isnt totally concerning the original authors, but also the translators (and re-translators). not to mention modification by kings. were these individuals guided by the holy spirit? werent they prone to error?

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#18 Jan 11, 2013
uh huh wrote:
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and not only animals are sacrificed in the bible
That is true,but that is apples and oranges...God only sanctioned animal sacrifices.Human sacrifices are a sin,and was practiced by people worshiping other gods.

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#19 Jan 11, 2013
uh huh wrote:
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doesnt murder involve killing? dont sacrifices involve killing? whether its ritualistic or not, it is still killing
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thanks, it could have been better. why do the pieces fit? maybe because they were written to fit? dont you think writers were aware of the other scripture? why would only a christian be able to understand? maybe because they wish to be christian, so they choose to believe it?
But murder is only related to humans,not animals.These people wrote the Bible at different times and different places..You could not set up 5 different people writing about the same subject,describing sometimes the same events, and do this on purpose and make it fit perfectly unless God had His hand on it.Also consider this,the people who wrote the very beginning of the Bible did not have other scripture to compare with,like most of the OT..God gives special insight to Christians when reading the Bible,because the Holy Spirit dwells in a Christian and the Holy Spirit will help reveal things to them.That is just the way it is.

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#20 Jan 11, 2013
uh huh wrote:
<quoted text>could you point them out?
I'll start here:
uh huh wrote:
On a more interesting note, the Bible could actually be the work of Satan/malicious intentions, as the original ten commandments declare to make "no images or likenesses of anything in heaven, on Earth, or in the waters under the Earth." This could be a subtle warning from "God" condemning the Bible itself.
I say not at all. God gave warning to the Jews about making their children pass through the fire (Lev 18:21; 20:3-5). The declared word is what separates God's people from pagan worship. Simply put, God has not left His people without instruction or pattern

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