Why do some people think Victory Outr...

Why do some people think Victory Outreach is a cult?

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Mayra

United States

#1 Jun 1, 2010
I am a member of Victory Outreach, in fact I've been a member for 11yrs. I have had my up & downs in my own personal walk with God, but the truth of the matter was, I was struggling with in my self because I had no real relationship with Jesus. But know I can say that I've spiritually mature in my walk with Christ, I know who I am in Christ. Instead of judging people just pray for them. We are not perfect, Jesus is perfect and with that I've learn to receive what the Spirit of God speaks to me. I don't fallow men I fallow Jesus Christ. "Do you know who you are in Christ?" Victory Outreach is not a cult, It's a God given ministry that helps anyone in need. Even those that don't like V.O. for personal reasons. Just remember Jesus Loves You & Victory Outreach does too.

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Mayra

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#2 Jun 1, 2010
Lynn wrote:
The only reason there is nobody on here defending Victory Outreach is because they are not allowed to read anything that is not on the approved reading list. LOL!!! Talk about control!!!

sad face wrote:
this argument has been used to validate some of the worst things done to humanity and thats in the name of God!. I am a Christian and am so sad to hear story after story of the hell victory puts people through with their manipulative ways and brainwashing sessions. I have recently had a close girlfriend commit suicide, because her father (a pastor of victory back east) didn't allow her to live out her personal relationship with God so he told her, she lost Gods covering over her life due to her disobedience. God has called us to one thing and one thing alone to run this race with Him. Not with someone else her father is a man and he will die one day....and where dose that leave her and her sisters and mother cover less?????? God dose not work that way He will never set you up to fail.

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Proud 2 b VictoryOutreach

United States

#3 Jun 1, 2010
The answer to this question is simple... Because they have never been to Victory Outreach. There is no such thing as a perfect church or pefect people in a perfect church but this kind of stereotyping is exactly why we are still living in a hurting world. Society is so ready to look at an individual and categorize the entire church. So many people are ready to tear down their fellow brothers/sisters in the Lord and have not even bothered to personally research what is taking place in Victory Outreach. Lives are truly being transformed and the backwards way of thinking of "once a drug addict always a drug addict" are being wiped away all over the world. I challenge anyone who truly wants to witness a modern day miracle to personally speak to someone in a V.O. church and hear the testimonies of heroin addicts, meth addicts, & alcoholics for years being healed and changed... Not to mention the depressed, suicidal, lonely, empty, and just lost without the Lord... Victory Outreach is working to clean up the cities all over the world by bringing the message, hope, and plan of Jesus Christ to the inner cities. I have never heard of a cult who goes out to a gang member or a prostitute or someone out of their mind on drugs and just tell them God loves them. God bless all those who oppose Victory Outreach International!

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Hmmm

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#4 Jun 2, 2010
That's funny I quit all of that stuff because I made up my mind to do so. I didn't need someone speaking in tongue gibberish over me. But to those who are brainwashed it doesn't make any difference as they are lost and see the world only through what they are told they can see.

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cba

United States

#6 Jun 22, 2010
maybe people are just not strong enough and happy with life and that's why they have to knock something positive *misery likes company* i personally like victory outreach and the church has helped me alot

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gege

San Pedro, CA

#7 Jul 16, 2010
Mayra wrote:
Lynn wrote:
The only reason there is nobody on here defending Victory Outreach is because they are not allowed to read anything that is not on the approved reading list. LOL!!! Talk about control!!!
sad face wrote:
this argument has been used to validate some of the worst things done to humanity and thats in the name of God!. I am a Christian and am so sad to hear story after story of the hell victory puts people through with their manipulative ways and brainwashing sessions. I have recently had a close girlfriend commit suicide, because her father (a pastor of victory back east) didn't allow her to live out her personal relationship with God so he told her, she lost Gods covering over her life due to her disobedience. God has called us to one thing and one thing alone to run this race with Him. Not with someone else her father is a man and he will die one day....and where dose that leave her and her sisters and mother cover less?????? God dose not work that way He will never set you up to fail.
Well said I was at vo for 3 years and was totally brain washed but vo is being exposed slowly and in gods time ....
Hmmm

UK

#8 Jul 18, 2010
When an organized religion tries to pry itself between your relationship with God, then something is wrong. When an organized religion or church tries to make you believe that going through them is one of the steps for your salvation, then a warning bells should go off.

There is only one way to salvation, and following VO is not listed in the words of Christ as one of the requirements.

Keep your eye on the goal and don't be distracted or deceived by others. Trust in what Christ says and not man. The Helper (or Holy spirit) will guide you and have reservations when others tell you that the spirit has sent them instead.
Joe Speckman

Belfast, UK

#9 Nov 17, 2010
Victory Outreach in Ireland are the biggest shepherding church I know. When people leave the rehab the speak curses over them. They continually break the law by asking for money on the street. And their main Pastor is loaded with the money. I am speaking from experience as I have been there. Ask their Pastor about his £100k K-Club membership? and the amount of money he gets each week from his flock begging on the streets? Where does all this money go?? True some people have succesfully been treated and stayed of heroin. But if they leave wow they will be treated with huge contempt. What about their song the one true church victory outreach? A Pastor in Belfast worked with them and they used him then dumped him as he was finding out too much about them. Christians???
John

Dublin, Ireland

#10 Dec 15, 2010
"Joe, Joe, Joe. Have you ever seen the Church in Dublin. My goodness what a beautiful building. Also the 4 recovery homes, the 2 Re-entry homes and the 5 vans that they have, and by the way i think Pastor Andy is a member of Carton House and I was there at his birthday party when the church blessed him with it.
Get the facts right Joe if that is your name. Why lie about people??
cnthya

Portland, OR

#11 Mar 29, 2011
THEY ARE A CULT!!I know this only becouse i had somone that i care for in thier..and they use the the word of god, to abuse people, and take thier money. u are saved only if you give them all our money, bow down to them... WHAT KINDA OF PASTORS ARE YOU GUYS? May god forgive you, becouse you are using his name to do wrong!!!
iin

Bakersfield, CA

#12 Mar 29, 2011
Its not a colt its place were u can find help I my self am A back slider but thanks to thier help I was able to leav a 9 year old drug Diction to meth
Jem

Dublin, Ireland

#13 Apr 15, 2011
Why do people use the internet to hang out there laundry if you have something against someone, the right thing to do is confront them. Get a life!
Truth Dublin Ireland

Waterford, Ireland

#14 Jun 1, 2011
Victory outreach is a cult,it abuses the most vunerable of our society.God is real,he is the one who helps the drug addicts and alcholics..God does not ask you to reach a target of a rediculous amount of money each day and say he is unhappy with you But victory outreach does..The pastors live in splendour..And jem"s comment above about confronting people ! With Vo thats not possible. People who leave because of there brainwashing tactics are totally isolated,They are not allowed to remain friends with anyone who is still in vo.They preach lies about whoever leaves..Saying they have falling, that that they are doing the work of the devil,when really they are awakening to the abuse, and brainwashing of this cult
thank god for VO

United States

#15 Jun 15, 2011
@ truth Dublin Ireland in the bible it says god created everything and that means everything! He blessed people with jobs family etc. Helped my husband with alcohol abuse. Also you're suppose to give tides and offering to the church. You are suppose to give 10%. But what else can I say cuz your still living in the world. Have you ever read the bible I'm guessing no because if you did the you would no the truth! Like it says in the bible I rather be wise then foolish
Joe Diamond McD

Seattle, WA

#17 Jun 21, 2011
I know for a fact and have been through the Mens home in seattle 2003-2004 and left in 2006 for good ! I investigated many stories and its all the same M.O. of victory Outreach and as well other churches are copy catting there M.O. Drug and alcohol rehab is big business now and a market for the church of today...Not just victory outreach but many more ! I,m writting a book on the dysfunctional churches of America and the fabric conditions along with the rest of Dysfunctional USA ! Preachers and pastors of america today are sooth sayers and pulpit panhandling $$$$ Now i,m clean sobor , happy and been to china on vacation.., look at the USA and rest of it "What is is -is what it is !" I think Jesus authored that!.. in the end of revelation (find out what he meant about the good and the filthy !) but i,m a dysgruntle christian and do not belong to a sect or cult anymore or be around so called non -denom people..., in the long run they control to ! Later America !
one way jesus

Ireland

#18 Oct 5, 2011
John wrote:
"Joe, Joe, Joe. Have you ever seen the Church in Dublin. My goodness what a beautiful building. Also the 4 recovery homes, the 2 Re-entry homes and the 5 vans that they have, and by the way i think Pastor Andy is a member of Carton House and I was there at his birthday party when the church blessed him with it.
Get the facts right Joe if that is your name. Why lie about people??
ohh is this the birthday party for pastor andy that everybody had to pay 35 EURO a ticket to have a meal and for the people who offered their own time to serve were not given any because they had not bought tickets. plus i also remember some of the congregation being pressured and in a way bullied into giving money for his golf membership. by giving pastor andy gifts isn't going to get anyone into heaven any quicker than the rest of us....
one way jesus

Ireland

#19 Oct 5, 2011
thank god for VO wrote:
@ truth Dublin Ireland in the bible it says god created everything and that means everything! He blessed people with jobs family etc. Helped my husband with alcohol abuse. Also you're suppose to give tides and offering to the church. You are suppose to give 10%. But what else can I say cuz your still living in the world. Have you ever read the bible I'm guessing no because if you did the you would no the truth! Like it says in the bible I rather be wise then foolish
take your head out off your ass victory outreach leaders are just as bad as the drug dealers making money off vulnerable people. they are the 1s who should be wearing the skirts on a Sunday morning and not the women's home. hiding behind the pulpit and 'exposing' people's problems to make them feel bad. let them go out and get real jobs then see how they judge others or better still let them go to bible college and stop speaking on their own strength or learn about people's behavior and thinking but that's the hard option. and its non educated people like yourself who will be fooled by theses wolves in sheep's clothing all of your life.
Truth Dublin Ireland

Naas, Ireland

#20 Oct 5, 2011
thank god for VO wrote:
@ truth Dublin Ireland in the bible it says god created everything and that means everything! He blessed people with jobs family etc. Helped my husband with alcohol abuse. Also you're suppose to give tides and offering to the church. You are suppose to give 10%. But what else can I say cuz your still living in the world. Have you ever read the bible I'm guessing no because if you did the you would no the truth! Like it says in the bible I rather be wise then foolish
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@ Kent,WA..I say Thank God for your husbands salvation, for God is All Good not victory outreach.. I reply to your quote asking if I read The Bible and I quote you proverb 26/4 Do not answer a fool according to folly or you will be like them yourself...Re read my post I do not question God and his Good Only VO. I do question your Belief in a cult who"s mission statement preaches Dignity,Belonging and Destiny and delivers NONE..How can one keep ones Dignity when they are Forced to Beg on the street? How can one Belong when one does not reach their Target? How can there be Destiny if you do not live your life through another"s calling?..I question VO over their Spiritual and Mental ABUSE of the weakest of our society..I question their Wealth on the misfortune of others..
Truth Dublin Ireland

Naas, Ireland

#21 Oct 5, 2011
one way jesus wrote:
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ohh is this the birthday party for pastor andy that everybody had to pay 35 EURO a ticket to have a meal and for the people who offered their own time to serve were not given any because they had not bought tickets. plus i also remember some of the congregation being pressured and in a way bullied into giving money for his golf membership. by giving pastor andy gifts isn't going to get anyone into heaven any quicker than the rest of us....
The church in Dublin is indeed a wonderful building paid for by the misfortune of others
The recovery homes is a very glamours name for places were there is no heating,no blankets and very little food! Where men and woman are living in degrading conditions, and under constant psychological abuse.. Where directors have no training what so ever in the treatment of alcohol or drug abuse.Where the men and women are sleep deprived,and totally isolated from their families.. Where their weakness"es are constantly mocked and jeered and their confidence which is little on entry is totally destroyed.. Huh what a fancy name for torture!The vans looked much better looked much better when "wearing" the VO logo! I believe they were removed because they were caught been used for illegal dumping! So speak the TRUTH JOHN!! "So in everything do to others what you would have them do to you".. Let the pastors live like the congregation
one way jesus

Ireland

#22 Oct 5, 2011
Joe Speckman wrote:
Victory Outreach in Ireland are the biggest shepherding church I know. When people leave the rehab the speak curses over them. They continually break the law by asking for money on the street. And their main Pastor is loaded with the money. I am speaking from experience as I have been there. Ask their Pastor about his £100k K-Club membership? and the amount of money he gets each week from his flock begging on the streets? Where does all this money go?? True some people have succesfully been treated and stayed of heroin. But if they leave wow they will be treated with huge contempt. What about their song the one true church victory outreach? A Pastor in Belfast worked with them and they used him then dumped him as he was finding out too much about them. Christians???
everything that you have said is the truth and yes they do have thier own songs and the people who went to belfast went back to dublin cause the people in belfast had better sence than to get involved with the madness. God bless.

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