Authorities: Distracted driver hits horse-drawn buggy, killing 1 in...

Authorities say the driver of a horse-drawn buggy pulling some farm equipment was killed when the buggy was hit by a car in southern Iowa. Full Story
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Hastings, MN

#41 Aug 23, 2010
I usually keep my beer between my legs and my phone in one hand and the ipod on my lap, that way I still have one free hand to do a reach over on the girlfriend and to slam my brew.
Seriously

Las Vegas, NV

#42 Aug 23, 2010
ZenBirdist wrote:
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Okay, so you say you followed them until they were pulled over, at which time you did what? Did you continue driving on, or did you pull over behind the squad car and wait around to see these arrests being made?
I did with the vandals, because my car was one that they attempted to hit.

With the drunk, I didn't have to. Every drunk driver gets arrested.

Duh.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#43 Aug 23, 2010
Seriously wrote:
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I did with the vandals, because my car was one that they attempted to hit.
With the drunk, I didn't have to. Every drunk driver gets arrested.
Duh.
Not everyone who is swerving in the road is drunk though, friend. A medical condition, a bee in the car, sleepiness, or anything else could have accounted for erratic driving. Perhaps in that case the driver was not arrested but was assisted some other way.

I'm cross-examining you on this because your claim seemed a bit far-fetched at first. Nothing personal, just getting to the bottom of it, is all. Glad you were able to help the police nab the vandals, though. That must have been satisfying.

Since: Aug 09

Minneapolis, MN

#44 Aug 23, 2010
basia from Tower MN wrote:
Why do I get more upset when horses, dogs etc, are needlessly killed than when gang bangers kill each other? I truly want to know.
Animals are innocent, even when they do "bad" things.

Since: Aug 09

Minneapolis, MN

#45 Aug 23, 2010
Seriously wrote:
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Oh, that's brilliant.
Get back to us on that idea when you're being chased by a crazed serial killer and you can't dial 911 because your phone doesn't work.
Back to the drawing board.
Don't ya think if someone is smart enough to make something like that they are smart enough to keep 911 enabled.
Seriously

Las Vegas, NV

#46 Aug 23, 2010
ZenBirdist wrote:
<quoted text>Not everyone who is swerving in the road is drunk though, friend.
Uhh... Believe me. They are in Las Vegas.

Since: Jan 09

United States of America

#47 Aug 23, 2010
What the wrote:
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So let me get this straight - your making excuses for someone who was more concerned about the music on there MP3 than paying attention to driving - If people aren't intelligent enough to pay attention to whats going on around them when they are driving than they shouldn't be driving period - what this person did was no different than pulling out a gun and shooting someone - it became intentional the minute there eyes were off the road - because they intentionally paid attention to something else.
No, I'm not making excuses. You're trying to put words in my post. You are being very adversarial, something I'm not used to doing. I just asked if the buggy had a SMV sign on it, a truly innocent question.
Lamoni resident

Lamoni, IA

#48 Sep 6, 2010
The Golf Guy wrote:
<quoted text> No, I'm not making excuses. You're trying to put words in my post. You are being very adversarial, something I'm not used to doing. I just asked if the buggy had a SMV sign on it, a truly innocent question.
I think I can answer that, and explain more about the situation. I think you refer to one of those bright orange slow moving vehicle signs, and I think that the reply is no. I think that there are religious reasons for that. Most Amish buggies here have reflective tape on the back to be seen at night, and also use lanterns at night. The biggest danger is in fog. And this is the hilly part of Iowa, and there is particular danger when coming over a hill even when driving at the speed limit or below.

However, there has been an Amish community here for several years, and I believe that the driver was a local person and should have known that there would likely be Amish buggies on that particular road. One slip of forgetfulness or distraction had terrible consequences. I am sure that the driver is deeply regretful, but it is too late to save the life of a man, and a horse - too late for the widow and children - too late to spare even the driver from haunting regrets all his life if he is a moral person, as I would assume.

Much of the fault is in the technology, and the culture of carelessness about driving. I do not think it was a teenage driver. It is not fair to assume it was. I cerainly do not think it was a drunk driver either. Time to focus on the technology and the temptations that are presented by technology, and the solutions that need to be found in better technology eventually, and in restrictions on use of certain gadgets in the meantime.

Thank you to all the kind and sensitive and intelligent commenters on this thread. I do not criticize even the one above. It is OK to ask for information. It is a sad time for all of us in this community, and especially for those of us who drive on these roads and realize that many of us make small mistakes from time to time, that could end in disaster. As night and dark come sooner and sooner, and as we have foggy mornings, it becomes all the more of a reminder.

I drive faster in full daylight on straight roads where I know there are no intersections, no driveways, and no cornfields or trees from which deer could emerge. I drive with my foot over the brake and ready to hit it when I go over a hill. I drive more slowly at night. Yet I know that there could be some mistake. There are even hazards such as a side road near the top of a hill, where the view is obscured for anyone coming over the hill too quickly.

There is not always room enough on the side grass and gravel by the highway, for the driver of a buggy to pull off. In this case, I am not sure it was a buggy, it might have been horses pulling Amish farm equipment.

Apologies for the long comment. I thought it might help to explain a bit, from someone in the town itself. I have tried to be careful not to claim full knowledge of the facts of the case even, but just sort of explain the setting. I know Amish persons in the farm areas surrounding this town, & some are part of the extended family of the person who was killed. Many kind nonAmish persons in the town have shown caring and sensitivity.

There are still a few nonAmish people here who have some hostility to the Amish. I am one on good enough terms with many Amish that I can lightly nag them to put more reflective stripping on their buggies, and tell them to be careful, & they know it is with a sort of "protective mama" attitude & not a criticism of them. I have been in the homes of two Amish families, & buy vegetables & baskets from them.

We have three Amish schools near to this town, as well as our own complete school system, with a new middle school & high school building. We have many international students from many countries at the local college. Yet, this is one of the poorest counties in Iowa.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#49 Sep 6, 2010
Lamoni resident wrote:
<quoted text> I think I can answer that, and explain more about the situation. I think you refer to one of those bright orange slow moving vehicle signs, and I think that the reply is no. I think that there are religious reasons for that. Most Amish buggies here have reflective tape on the back to be seen at night, and also use lanterns at night. The biggest danger is in fog. And this is the hilly part of Iowa, and there is particular danger when coming over a hill even when driving at the speed limit or below.
However, there has been an Amish community here for several years, and I believe that the driver was a local person and should have known that there would likely be Amish buggies on that particular road. One slip of forgetfulness or distraction had terrible consequences. I am sure that the driver is deeply regretful, but it is too late to save the life of a man, and a horse - too late for the widow and children - too late to spare even the driver from haunting regrets all his life if he is a moral person, as I would assume.
Much of the fault is in the technology, and the culture of carelessness about driving. I do not think it was a teenage driver. It is not fair to assume it was. I cerainly do not think it was a drunk driver either. Time to focus on the technology and the temptations that are presented by technology, and the solutions that need to be found in better technology eventually, and in restrictions on use of certain gadgets in the meantime.
Thank you to all the kind and sensitive and intelligent commenters on this thread. I do not criticize even the one above. It is OK to ask for information. It is a sad time for all of us in this community, and especially for those of us who drive on these roads and realize that many of us make small mistakes from time to time, that could end in disaster. As night and dark come sooner and sooner, and as we have foggy mornings, it becomes all the more of a reminder.
I drive faster in full daylight on straight roads where I know there are no intersections, no driveways, and no cornfields or trees from which deer could emerge. I drive with my foot over the brake and ready to hit it when I go over a hill. I drive more slowly at night. Yet I know that there could be some mistake. There are even hazards such as a side road near the top of a hill, where the view is obscured for anyone coming over the hill too quickly.
There is not always room enough on the side grass and gravel by the highway, for the driver of a buggy to pull off. In this case, I am not sure it was a buggy, it might have been horses pulling Amish farm equipment.
Apologies for the long comment. I thought it might help to explain a bit, from someone in the town itself. I have tried to be careful not to claim full knowledge of the facts of the case even, but just sort of explain the setting. I know Amish persons in the farm areas surrounding this town, & some are part of the extended family of the person who was killed. Many kind nonAmish persons in the town have shown caring and sensitivity.
There are still a few nonAmish people here who have some hostility to the Amish. I am one on good enough terms with many Amish that I can lightly nag them to put more reflective stripping on their buggies, and tell them to be careful, & they know it is with a sort of "protective mama" attitude & not a criticism of them. I have been in the homes of two Amish families, & buy vegetables & baskets from them.
We have three Amish schools near to this town, as well as our own complete school system, with a new middle school & high school building. We have many international students from many countries at the local college. Yet, this is one of the poorest counties in Iowa.
Thank you for your thoughtful post and for being a good neighbor to the Amish in your community. People like you are good for the rest of us, my friend.
Door Knob

Plymouth, MN

#50 Sep 6, 2010
Seems to me the buggies moving at 5 MPH mixed with cars going 60 MPH on the same roads IS an accident waiting to happen! In fact there have been lots of wrecks involving cars and buggies.

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