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No Headline---26LLELET.txt - Lamar Ledger

There are 57 comments on the Lamar Ledger story from Mar 25, 2010, titled No Headline---26LLELET.txt - Lamar Ledger. In it, Lamar Ledger reports that:

I am extremely angry and frustrated at the direction our country is headed. On the 23rd of March 2010 more of our precious freedoms in our great nation were lost when President Obama signed the Health Care Bill.

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Holly, CO

#1 Mar 28, 2010
It is time to speak out against the acts that will be the fall of our country
ColoradoRick

Westcliffe, CO

#2 Mar 28, 2010
I am still at a loss as to just what "freedoms" have been lost due to the health care bill, or anything President Obama has tried to do? Yes, I know its easy to say the phrase, but I really would like to see a list of the freedoms promised to us by the Declaration of Independence, that have been taken away.

As you may have guessed, I am not a republican, nor am I a religious person. but I am also one of the "people" that lives in this United States. In fact "I" am part of the MAJORITY that elected Obama into office. As I recall, conservatives are the minority, but I will digress on that point for now.

I myself am frightened at the way this country appears to be headed, though its not the same as Mr. Harbour believes it to be. Have you ever seen the movie 'Idiocracy'? Its about a nation that grows gradually dumber and dumber and is eventually run by one corporation, to the detriment of the people and the nation, but the people...well, theyve been made stupid by various means so they dont really know whats happening to them. Its quite funny and I recommend it highly. but I am rambling again...

We are living in a country where a portion of the people are getting their political and social beliefs and views from a political party thats basically helped the rich get richer and the poor stay the same, an ancient book of archaic middle eastern laws and fables, and commentary from one (1) VERY right leaning "news" opinion show and a host of radio commentators who all simply repeat the same “facts”. And while those who follow this path claim to be the majority, the actual facts state that this isn’t true. Oh, they are the majority of the wealthy, and a largepart of those who actually work in government (an interesting irony considering that many believe in a smaller government, and yet if that were true many would be losing their jobs if government got smaller), but this country is made up of much more than white, Christian, conservative people, so why do they continue to claim otherwise?

Why would ANY “good” Christian NOT want their fellow human beings to be healthy and stable? Or is it only for those who believe as you do? Why would a “good Christian” threaten to harm or kill another American who believes differently? Why was it ok to go to war in a country that had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with 9/11 to the cost of almost a trillion dollars, and yet, to help our own citizens, claims of overspending, government control and loss of freedom is spilled in huge amounts? Is it because when you “help” others, it’s hard to make a profit? And why are their poor who vote republican, maybe other than the right to life and gay issues? Guess what folks, not everyone can be wealthy in a capitalist society. Sure, there’s the “opportunity”, but it’s not equal, it’s not guaranteed, and it probably won’t happen for you or I.

You may have forgotten that in some other countries there are populations separated by political parties where one or more are ruled by radical or extreme religious or ideological beliefs, where one or more groups is willing to get their points across by intimidation and violence, even to the detriment and death of themselves and their own citizens. We call those people in other countries terrorists – what do we call them here in America?
teabagger

Westcliffe, CO

#3 Mar 28, 2010
ColoradoRick wrote:
I am still at a loss as to just what "freedoms" have been lost due to the health care bill, or anything President Obama has tried to do? Yes, I know its easy to say the phrase, but I really would like to see a list of the freedoms promised to us by the Declaration of Independence, that have been taken away.
As you may have guessed, I am not a republican, nor am I a religious person. but I am also one of the "people" that lives in this United States. In fact "I" am part of the MAJORITY that elected Obama into office. As I recall, conservatives are the minority, but I will digress on that point for now.
I myself am frightened at the way this country appears to be headed, though its not the same as Mr. Harbour believes it to be. Have you ever seen the movie 'Idiocracy'? Its about a nation that grows gradually dumber and dumber and is eventually run by one corporation, to the detriment of the people and the nation, but the people...well, theyve been made stupid by various means so they dont really know whats happening to them. Its quite funny and I recommend it highly. but I am rambling again...
We are living in a country where a portion of the people are getting their political and social beliefs and views from a political party thats basically helped the rich get richer and the poor stay the same, an ancient book of archaic middle eastern laws and fables, and commentary from one (1) VERY right leaning "news" opinion show and a host of radio commentators who all simply repeat the same “facts”. And while those who follow this path claim to be the majority, the actual facts state that this isn’t true. Oh, they are the majority of the wealthy, and a largepart of those who actually work in government (an interesting irony considering that many believe in a smaller government, and yet if that were true many would be losing their jobs if government got smaller), but this country is made up of much more than white, Christian, conservative people, so why do they continue to claim otherwise?
Why would ANY “good” Christian NOT want their fellow human beings to be healthy and stable? Or is it only for those who believe as you do? Why would a “good Christian” threaten to harm or kill another American who believes differently? Why was it ok to go to war in a country that had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with 9/11 to the cost of almost a trillion dollars, and yet, to help our own citizens, claims of overspending, government control and loss of freedom is spilled in huge amounts? Is it because when you “help” others, it’s hard to make a profit? And why are their poor who vote republican, maybe other than the right to life and gay issues? Guess what folks, not everyone can be wealthy in a capitalist society. Sure, there’s the “opportunity”, but it’s not equal, it’s not guaranteed, and it probably won’t happen for you or I.
You may have forgotten that in some other countries there are populations separated by political parties where one or more are ruled by radical or extreme religious or ideological beliefs, where one or more groups is willing to get their points across by intimidation and violence, even to the detriment and death of themselves and their own citizens. We call those people in other countries terrorists – what do we call them here in America?
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citizen

Denver, CO

#4 Mar 28, 2010
Colorado Rick,

I'd answer your questions, but you'd be incorrectly labeling me, if I did. So, I'll just answer one of them.

[quote]And why are their poor who vote republican, maybe other than the right to life and gay issues?[/quote]

There are a few SMART people out there who aren't on entitlements who are poor. Those would be the ones who vote republican - other than the right to life and gay issues. Those people have been doing their own thinking and they're not on the government payroll.
ColoradoRick

Westcliffe, CO

#5 Mar 28, 2010
So, citizen, what you are saying is that all other poor people who may be on some type of government help are stupid? No, I think you've correctly labeled yourself, I didn't have to say a thing.

You are still unable to answer any of my questions, though. What does voting republican do for you, if you are, in fact so poor, yet so smart? Do you have good, reasonable insurance? Did you go to college? Has your pay increased to equal the rise in cost of living? Do you enjoy hearing how Wall Street and corporate execs rake in millions gambling on our futures? Have you ever had a loved one die from a treatable disease because insurance said no more? Did you like how companies like Halliburton and Blackwater went over to Iraq and LOST billions of YOUR tax dollars? Do you enjoy scraping by while people much wealthier than you make money off of you, and then spend it on another car, another mansion, another gold bathtub?

You see, citizen, I have do my own thinking. I dont let Fox news, or Karl Rove, or Rush Limbaugh, or Sarah Palin, or any teabag nut job, NOR any democrat for that matter, do my thinking for me. I, on the other hand, happen to care about ALL people, not just the ones who agree with me, even you, citizen. I dont pretend to follow a belief or an ideal and do the opposite. I love America for what it can do for EVERYONE, not just the chosen few.

Voting along with them won't get you any closer to heaven, citizen. It may bring us alot closer to hell, though - but then what do I know, Im just stupid, and stupid is as stupid does.
citizen

Denver, CO

#6 Mar 28, 2010
I wasn't writing about myself, CO Rick. You've decided to make it about me, so I can answer your questions.

I have a college education. I've got insurance, but there have been many times when I didn't have insurance. Insurance isn't always part of the package when you're self employed. I've watched loved ones die, because they chose not to rely on medical care for their life - sometimes it isn't the best choice.

I've watched millions of dollars go down the drain seeking a cure for lung cancer because people CHOSE to smoke. I've watched millions of dollars go down the drain taking care of those who are injured by people who CHOSE to drink and drive.

I've watched millions of dollars be paid out for people who make choices for their lives, without consideration of who is going to pick up the tab for those choices after they can no longer support themselves.

Republicans are NOT the only political figures who initiate wars. Congress and the Senate signed the Iraq war and the Afghanistan wars into existence, at a time when neither was predominantly republican.

One thing you might want to think about, since you admit to voting Obama in to office... You might need to hope that the conservative right wingers who plan to continue owning business and working for a living without drawing the entitlements are a majority of the adult population, because they are the ones paying for the entitlements Obama has set into motion thus far. Those who feel entitled to the freebies such as Public Option Health Care, will be too busy trying to qualify for whatever the next free ride is coming down the pike.
ColoradoRick

Westcliffe, CO

#7 Mar 28, 2010
I could wax semantics with you about just who I may be talking about, though it was more about your ilk than you personally, and I commend you for the information on the things you’ve seen in your health care career. You of all people should appreciate the need for better health care coverage and reform, even the need for universal care for all. Do you ever imagine how many lives could be saved if pre-emptive care and testing were cheaper or even free? Do you really think the general public could NOT make mistakes in consumption while being inundated with suggestive advertising and ease of acquisition? Does a poor choice in life negate the freedom of life? Born into a society as great as ours, should ANY one person die simply because they make poor choices or cannot pay? You make a lot of references to CHOICES; loved ones CHOOSING not to take care, people CHOOSING to smoke, or drink and drive. This also concerns those who don’t, didn’t or couldn’t make their own choices.

But I will ask the question again: WHAT FREEDOMS HAVE WE LOST BECAUSE OF THIS HEALTH CARE BILL OR ANY MEASURE FOR THAT MATTER THAT THE PRESIDENT WANTS FOR NATION? Simple question, simple answer, but I never see it.

And for those who say we just can’t afford it, I say YES WE CAN! We can afford to make Big Oil, Insurance, Banks and Wall Street fortunes bigger than many countries GNP, I think we can do something that will benefit EVERYONE. I remember reading about WWI and WWII and how the ENTIRE country pulled together for the good of the nation… so what has happened to us? It’s sad, is what it is… and I don’t think there will be any solidarity anytime soon.

As for your last 2 points, if you want to mince facts, the votes in both the House and the Senate for the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were decidedly Republican in weight. Yes, there were SOME Dem votes, but the majority were Repubs. Later scare tactics and call of unpatriotism coerced other Dems to vote for increasing funding for 2 wars that we continue to fight and pay for, but will never truly win.

I hope you don’t believe that most business owners are Republican, OR that they will NOT take advantage of any of the programs and entitlements meant for small business owners. That is a HUGE stretch of imagination AND reality. Republicans may bitch and moan about them, but under the covers most of them will take anything they can get to help increase their profits. Why do you think so many big business work offshore, or in other countries? Yup, Repub business people are really interested in American jobs. I think that if I help make you rich, you can help keep me healthy.
surprised

Holly, CO

#8 Mar 29, 2010
Are you sure, you're not realistcc?
panther plumber

Dalton, NE

#9 Mar 29, 2010
surprised wrote:
Are you sure, you're not realistcc?
can't be cc, he makes valid points......
LMAO

Holly, CO

#10 Mar 29, 2010
panther plumber wrote:
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can't be cc, he makes valid points......
Now we know, Panther Plumber is CC
panther plumber

Dalton, NE

#11 Mar 29, 2010
LMAO wrote:
<quoted text>
Now we know, Panther Plumber is CC
LMAO
ColoradoRick

Westcliffe, CO

#12 Mar 29, 2010
No, I am not realistCC. I keep seeing this but am not he, though he sounds like a pretty smart feller! Thanks, panther plumber. I think I said something in another post that may have been directed at you, but I think you may have been using sarcasm, and I included your response as an example. My apologies if so. Now Im off to start an 'anti-christian militia' militia, to protect me from whack-job christian militia's. FIGHT THE POWER THATS FIGHTING THE POWER!
panther plumber

Dalton, NE

#13 Mar 29, 2010
ColoradoRick wrote:
No, I am not realistCC. I keep seeing this but am not he, though he sounds like a pretty smart feller! Thanks, panther plumber. I think I said something in another post that may have been directed at you, but I think you may have been using sarcasm, and I included your response as an example. My apologies if so. Now Im off to start an 'anti-christian militia' militia, to protect me from whack-job christian militia's. FIGHT THE POWER THATS FIGHTING THE POWER!
"Hutaree", what a good looking bunch of people.....
ColoradoRick

Westcliffe, CO

#14 Mar 29, 2010
panther plumber wrote:
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"Hutaree", what a good looking bunch of people.....
Yes, and so I will reiterate a point I made in the beginning. In other countries we call people like this terrorists. What do we call them here in America? I find it ironic that I made the post before the news broke, and I'm sure they are just the tip of the cupcake. That is sad when ytou have to protect yourself against your own countrymen.
panther plumber

Dalton, NE

#15 Mar 30, 2010
ColoradoRick wrote:
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Yes, and so I will reiterate a point I made in the beginning. In other countries we call people like this terrorists. What do we call them here in America? I find it ironic that I made the post before the news broke, and I'm sure they are just the tip of the cupcake. That is sad when ytou have to protect yourself against your own countrymen.
I guess mentioning 'hutaree' confused
most of the masses.....lol
Sam

Holly, CO

#16 Mar 31, 2010
Mainly because it has nothing to do with the topic here. Are you trying to act smart and make some sort of insinuation ot is it you just being stupid again. Or is it just you mad because you have gotten slapped down in so many of these topix posts that you can't even answer the questions. Do you have no arguments or answers that you must run to some other topic to try and boost your ego.
ColoradoRick

Westcliffe, CO

#17 Mar 31, 2010
panther plumber wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess mentioning 'hutaree' confused
most of the masses.....lol
'Hutaree' sounds like a bad movie starring Dustin Hoffman and Warren Beatty. No, it sounds like an 80's video game console, "He stayed up all night playing Asteroids on his 'Hutaree 2600'". buuut, actually, its a made up word from a made up language, from a group of far right extreme christian conservatives who somehow got the message that Jesus was a militant. Its funny how you can get the context of a book wrong when you only read certain sections and not the whole thing, kinda like skipping to the end, and your like WHOA! Ah, but thats what extremist muslims do with the Koran as well, pick out a few sections, make the message about that and exclude the 99% rest. Like I said, I need to start a militant group to protect myself from the other crazy militant groups... will that make me crazy too? lol...
ColoradoRick

Westcliffe, CO

#18 Mar 31, 2010
Sam wrote:
Mainly because it has nothing to do with the topic here. Are you trying to act smart and make some sort of insinuation ot is it you just being stupid again. Or is it just you mad because you have gotten slapped down in so many of these topix posts that you can't even answer the questions. Do you have no arguments or answers that you must run to some other topic to try and boost your ego.
Who are you referring to Sam?
again and again

Mcclave, CO

#20 Mar 31, 2010
gotya CC
rea

Greeley, CO

#21 Mar 31, 2010
It comes down to the fact that I choose not to live in a Socialist country. The present administration wants people to be dependent on the government. What does that sound like? Look at Obama's educational background and his experience. I really think most people value freedom and God's plan will win out.

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