Fort Lewis a magnet for teen girls? Answers sought in wake of 16-year-old's death

Feb 19, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Seattle Times

As far as the girls getting onto base, I want many of you to remember when you were in your 20's. You cannot secure the perimeter of a base that size unless you have a guard standing every 5 feet.

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beth anderson

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Fort lewis dosnt appear as they seem my husband is at school there called me last night and let me know that the girls and the guys are mixed together in the barricks at wlc dont u think that is asking for trouble.Maybe the news or the news paper should be contacting the commend in charge and asking them about that I guess there policy isnt strict enough at hand.Fort lewis isnt a free for all to let things to keep going on like this I feel sad for the girls that something bad had to happen to them but things keep going on and on when is is going to stop maybe then chain of commend ask themself that question it's making fort lewis look bad for there actions...

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Feb 21, 2009
 
Fort Lewis is a great post. Sometimes people don't follow the rules is all. Things like that happen DAILY in the civilian world. Yes, mistakes were made, and rules were broken, but why isn't ANYBODY questioning why two 16yr old girls were out all night in the first place? What do their parents have to say?
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Feb 21, 2009
 
no thats not asking for trouble, thats called in the army we are one, not your a girl so you have to be treated like this,, we all wear the same patch,,, US ARMY.... dont blame the chain of command either, they can only tell you so much, we are all 18 and over, dont you think that maybe its time we all grow up and do the right thing,, take the blame when we screw up...the policy is stricked enough, things happen mistakes are made just like in everyday life,,, and i am so with darren m why isnt anyone wondering why these girls or out at that time at night, i know that lakewood has a curfew for minors,,,, so what is the policy in lakewood not stricked enough either, you cant stop eveyone, and if you are worried about your hubby being in the same bldg as other female soldiers then maybe you have some trust problems that you need work on.. and yes it dose make fort lewis look bad as well as other soldiers, but what post are you at, cause odds are the same shit happens there too....

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Feb 21, 2009
 
joey wrote:
no thats not asking for trouble, thats called in the army we are one, not your a girl so you have to be treated like this,, we all wear the same patch,,, US ARMY.... dont blame the chain of command either, they can only tell you so much, we are all 18 and over, dont you think that maybe its time we all grow up and do the right thing,, take the blame when we screw up...the policy is stricked enough, things happen mistakes are made just like in everyday life,,, and i am so with darren m why isnt anyone wondering why these girls or out at that time at night, i know that lakewood has a curfew for minors,,,, so what is the policy in lakewood not stricked enough either, you cant stop eveyone, and if you are worried about your hubby being in the same bldg as other female soldiers then maybe you have some trust problems that you need work on.. and yes it dose make fort lewis look bad as well as other soldiers, but what post are you at, cause odds are the same shit happens there too....
I believe Fort Lewis has enough policies in place to ensure the right people get on post. The only way those girls got on post is with someone vouching for them, or in the trunk of a car. someone screwed up, but so did the girls if they were using drugs.

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Feb 24, 2009
 
This kind of thing is so rediculous. These soldiers obviously didn't pay any attention in basic training and should be put to the stake (mediforically) for this infraction as an example to all the others who think sneaking 16 year old girls into post is cool. Morons.
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Feb 25, 2009
 
This is anything but surprising to me. My husband and I were based on Fort Lewis for almost 3 years. Although we loved it out there and wouldnt mind going back, there was way too much activity. There are so many drugs available to those kids on post. There is alcohol 24/7 whether you are of age or not. Those that are on staff duty and CQ dont do their jobs! This was all bound to happen. There were many kids we knew out there that would SNEAK GIRLS ON POST IN THEIR TRUNKS!!! If the gate guards were to do their jobs and realize there was something funny going on....some of this could have been stopped. My heart goes out to this girl and her familt. Its sickening that all this is still going on....and that CID and the Army are just going to cover it up!

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Feb 26, 2009
 
cover it up??? They aren't going to cover it up, it's already out.
Besides that, could you imagine who slow getting onto base would be if they made everyone pop their trucks and go through their stuff? wow, it would be nuts.

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Feb 26, 2009
 
Rick69 wrote:
cover it up??? They aren't going to cover it up, it's already out.
Besides that, could you imagine who slow getting onto base would be if they made everyone pop their trucks and go through their stuff? wow, it would be nuts.
Hey, if it doesn't inconvenience them or anyone they know, do you think they care?

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Feb 28, 2009
 
First off u all ask where their parents were? Right? Well If two teenagers are "clever" enough all they have to say is that each is spending the night at each others house.( I am sure they have before) It's also easy to get on post and past the CQ'S once on the post. I also do not believe that each vehicle is "checked " for the id's as well as they should be. The girl who died on post didn't look like she was the age past 13 to me. So she could have been "passed " Through with out a problem. I do not know what her friend looked like so I cant speak about her. Basically what I am saying..I was a former "barracks bunny" from the 80's,I know all the ways around things there and I am sure others girls now day do also and more. I don't approve on these girls doing this but it's going to happen regardless. I was in no way a hooch but I wanted to give my thoughts on this and to those of u who will judge look at your own past and then say something....

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First off u all ask where their parents were? Right? Well If two teenagers are "clever" enough all they have to say is that each is spending the night at each others house.( I am sure they have before)
Then it's the parents fault for not doing random checkups (Trust, but Verify) on their kids. I know my kids friends, parents. Neither of my kids have been in any trouble,(I'm sure they've both pushed the envelope before) my oldest graduated with honors and is now in the Army, and my youngest is very much into ROTC and has a 3.8 GPA. It's all about how you raise them. you can be a parent, a best friend, or both.

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You sound like you have great kids. You should be proud.(no I am not being sarcastic)I think in my situation I learned to be more sneaky because my parents were strict. But some kids just don't and wont "tow the line" no matter what the parents do.

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Lady T66610 wrote:
You sound like you have great kids. You should be proud.(no I am not being sarcastic)I think in my situation I learned to be more sneaky because my parents were strict. But some kids just don't and wont "tow the line" no matter what the parents do.
Thanks, I try...

I was never really *strict* with my kids. I always talked them through what they were wanting to do, and listed the reward or the consequence that would come from their actions, or even inactions. Once I got through the whole *peer pressure, and high school isn't really life* talk, everything seemed to click. We live in an area unlike Lakewood/Tillicum/Tacoma, and I'm thankful for that. We don't have many problems in this area, but like anywhere, we have the occasional hiccup. I retired out of Fort Lewis and absolutely loved WA, but Colorado is my home now.
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Mar 11, 2009
 
I agree with you it is just as much the fault of the parents for not having control of there kids. The Navy has gone away with resident advisers in the barracks when they went civilian run. It was a great program that made is safer for the residents. They were senior personal who got a free room in return for standing a watch. The Army standards are to blame also but Iím sure that is the only ways they can get there numbers. I have two girls and they have never seen the base unless I was with them. My youngest is on her way to the Naval Academy and she had to deal with me deploying and the moving around.
Actions have consequences and the Army needs to step up and making some examples of people. Its not Bushes Army any more, rules and regulations need to be fallowed.

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Chief wrote:
I agree with you it is just as much the fault of the parents for not having control of there kids. The Navy has gone away with resident advisers in the barracks when they went civilian run. It was a great program that made is safer for the residents. They were senior personal who got a free room in return for standing a watch. The Army standards are to blame also but Iím sure that is the only ways they can get there numbers. I have two girls and they have never seen the base unless I was with them. My youngest is on her way to the Naval Academy and she had to deal with me deploying and the moving around.
Actions have consequences and the Army needs to step up and making some examples of people. Its not Bushes Army any more, rules and regulations need to be fallowed.
I'm sure that fool will be amde an example of his stupidity.
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May 24, 2009
 
the only reason this entire ordeal was made such a big deal is because the Army is held to a higher standard so one of the very few times something happens,..something that happens everywhere else off-post, ppl have to point fingers at the post like theyre doing a terrible job when in fact they arent. Have some respect for the soldiers and workers there and start noticing the good things, like how FEW of incidents they have as compared to the rest of the county. and yes, i agree that between the girls being 16 yrs old and the parents...the parents should have known their children better and i know darn well that when i was 16 i was making my own conscious decisions and i knew right from wrong therefore if im gonna do drugs somewhere where im not supposed to be with ppl i dont know well then i should b willing to pay the consequences. its a sad event and in no way do i believe they deserved it, but come on. quit pointing fingers, its done its over, and ppl made bad choices that night, from the post to the soldiers, and the two young girls. we r all human now.
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i think the policies should stick to a harder source.
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Fort lewis doesnt appear as they seem my husband is at school there called me last night and let me know that the girls and the guys are mixed together in the barricks at wlc dont u think that is asking for trouble.Maybe the news or the news paper should be contacting the commend in charge and asking them about that I guess there policy isnt strict enough at hand.Fort lewis isnt a free for all to let things to keep going on like this I feel sad for the girls that something bad had to happen to them but things keep going on and on when is is going to stop maybe then chain of commend ask themself that question it's making fort lewis look bad for there actions...
Beth,
I totally concure with you, we were at lewis and my husbands barraks were shared with females. We lived in the barracks together until our BAH kicked in and let me tell you, I have seen things in there that i know are illigal. and staff duty and the guys on CQ DO NOT do thier jobs. We are now stationed in okinawa where there are NO femals in his barracks or even his unit and there are no problems, Not to mention the rules here are strict and soldiers are kept in line.

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Fort lewis doesnt appear as they seem my husband is at school there called me last night and let me know that the girls and the guys are mixed together in the barricks at wlc dont u think that is asking for trouble.Maybe the news or the news paper should be contacting the commend in charge and asking them about that I guess there policy isnt strict enough at hand.Fort lewis isnt a free for all to let things to keep going on like this I feel sad for the girls that something bad had to happen to them but things keep going on and on when is is going to stop maybe then chain of commend ask themself that question it's making fort lewis look bad for there actions...
Beth,
I totally concure with you, we were at lewis and my husbands barraks were shared with females. We lived in the barracks together until our BAH kicked in and let me tell you, I have seen things in there that i know are illigal. and staff duty and the guys on CQ DO NOT do thier jobs. We are now stationed in okinawa where there are NO femals in his barracks or even his unit and there are no problems, Not to mention the rules here are strict and soldiers are kept in line.
they are in lockable room, not open bays.

Let me get this straight...Your hubby is an Army E4(P), or an E5 stationed in OKINAWA?
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Those girls probably lied about their age as many teens do. Those soldiers probably thought they we of age because god knows 16 year olds do not often look 16. One, those soldiers did not shove those pills down the throats of those girls, two, those girls were more then likely barracks rats anyway. Yes it is extremely unfortunate that a lesson had to be learned a very hard way. But the parents should have had their children, because yes a 16 year old is a freaking child, on some curfew or something. The soldiers should have been held accountable for sneaking those kids on post and maybe contributing to the delinquency of a minor, but manslaughter? Give me a break.
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Aug 14, 2009
 
It seems like there are two different discussions here. One revolves around sneaking underage, non-military females on post and into barracks rooms. The other revolves around having females and males in the same barracks. Simply because females and males are in the same barracks does not mean that illicit activity will happen. If/when it does, it is a CoC (chain of command) issue. This issue comes down to professionalism and decorum. If you cannot trust your husband in a barracks with other females, that is a problem within your marriage. Right now, I am across the country from my husband, where we both share barracks with soldiers of the opposite gender. We trust each other. We are professionals, and we have a strong marriage.

Now, as far as soldiers sneaking underage girls into their barracks, this will happen whether the barracks are integrated or not. Clearly, they broke the rules by bringing them on post (and doing drugs); it seems to me that a male-only barracks would not have stopped them from bringing the girls in.

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