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Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door with personal invitations to convention

There are 172 comments on the Ohio.com story from Jul 12, 2013, titled Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door with personal invitations to convention. In it, Ohio.com reports that:

Jehovah's Witnesses will put forth a special effort in the coming weeks to knock on doors throughout Northeast Ohio and extend a personal invitation to its district convention.

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Since: Aug 11

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#176 Sep 14, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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Thank you for your concern, Sosthenes. However your cosmology is not the same as mine.
In answer to your question, The OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel is at the core of the teachings of the historical Jesus. The Nation of Israel had accepted the reality of the OMNIPRESENT GOD long before Jesus was born and still does to this day.
Here is an excellent site discussing the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel:
http://www.jewfaq.org/g-d.htm
Sorry It would not allow me to post along with all your post.
I erased part of it. I meant no harm.

*I guess you would say I am dabbling in replacement theology.

It sounds like to me you think man today can have a relationship with God through the OT Law, is this correct?

If I understand you correctly you place your "experience" above any doctrine I could point out in the New Testament. Is this correct?

The NT does tell man how to have a relationship with God in (1Jn 1:6-9).

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.(Jn 3:20)

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.(Jn 14:15,21 ; 15:10,14)

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#177 Sep 14, 2013
Sosthenes wrote:
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Sorry It would not allow me to post along with all your post.
I erased part of it. I meant no harm.

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I don't mind you cutting to make room, I do it all the time
( including this post :)). One can always refer back to the post and the one you are replying to knows what you are talking about.

(I still tend to be long winded, but I'm working on it :))

As to your question about the Old testament. I only refereed to the Hebrew Scriptures and the historical Jesus because there is a grain of truth scattered throughout the bible as there is in all of the great spiritual traditions.( the so called new testament is another story and although there are some quotes that are allegedly from Jesus that ring true, most of it is pagan nonsense injected into the Roman version of Christianity to make it more palatable to the Roman populace who was used to a pantheon of gods.

But like all other works of men, the bible falls short of describing what is simply because what is can not be described.

Now as to the word "theology", you will notice under my avatar here on topix the phrase "Mystical atheism for everyone"

Now you might think this a contradiction in terms.

But if we break down the word "theology" we find it simply means the study of GOD.

You can't study GOD! It is impossible! Words can not even begin to describe the infinite complexity of what is!

Anything that can be put down in words in an attempt to define GOD is going to be a graven image!

So all theology can ever be ultimately is the study of graven images!

When you begin to study the Hebrew Scriptures in depth you will find interwoven within the genealogy and royal vanity press, the wisdom that can actually be stated in words that will lead you on the narrow path to accurate experiential knowledge of GOD. First we need to establish what we mean when we use th word "GOD".

In Deuteronomy 6:4-30 we read:

"4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD"

In the precise translation of the word "ekhad" in this passage scholars argue as to it's meaning. Some say it means as “one”, some say it means “alone.

Based on my personal meditation and contemplation I would have to say it means both and much more. It simply means the totality of what is. In other words GOD is all that exists, all that is real. This is reflected in the name that GOD revealed to the nation of Israel on Mount Sinai through Moses.

In ancient Israel a name was very important. A person's name was a reflection of who they were.

There is a lot of confusion about the name of GOD. If names define a person, what name would define GOD?

Logically since Jesus was born into a Jewish family, attended the synagogue, and went on to be a rabbi (teacher), he would have taught about our relationship with the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel.

There is only one place where the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel's name is mentioned in the entire bible.

This is in Exodus 3:13-15 (King James Version):

"13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

The name "I AM THAT I AM" is the only logical phrase in any language on Earth that could accurately be applied to an OMNIPRESENT GOD. This is why the tetragrammaton is so important.

(to be continued in next post )

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#178 Sep 14, 2013
( continued from previous post )

Knowing the correct name of GOD and what it describes is an essential pointer on the path to understanding who we are in GOD.

As it states in one of the few accurate statements in the New Testement at Acts 17:28 (New International Version,©2010)

"28 For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, "We are his offspring"

There is no place else for us to be, GOD is all that exists! GOD alone is real!

And contrary to what fundamentalist Christians teach this applies to all of humanity!

We are all created in GOD'S image, male and female! Even the unloving, the hateful, and the ungodly.

Evil is a disease we need to cure and killing the patient is not a cure! We won't have a paradise until we solve this problem realistically!

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#179 Sep 14, 2013
Honesty wrote:
<quoted text>Can you disprove their claims or are you going to speak out your ass
Should we use your own words to disprove this claim?
the one where you say 7 million people will live through Armageddon, because only Jehovah's people will survive?
Lol

Visalia, CA

#180 Sep 14, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>There are exactly 12 people observing this forum as of 1 minute ago, so you're not reaching any audience that cares about your message. The few people who are here, now, already have their personal ideologies solid in their minds and are not swayed by your comments. Those who are JWs will go away from here as Jws and those who are not will leave as they came also.
You influence nobody here. Nobody.
Speak for yourself, cupcake.

That's all you can really do. Unless you claim to be omnipresent in everyone... do you?

“New one man.”

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#181 Sep 14, 2013
Lol wrote:
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Speak for yourself, cupcake.
That's all you can really do. Unless you claim to be omnipresent in everyone... do you?
Apparently she thinks the words disappear after she posts them.
Or, she thinks you can only read posts as they are made.
scary.
Keep Pushing On

Wausau, WI

#182 Sep 14, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>There are exactly 12 people observing this forum as of 1 minute ago, so you're not reaching any audience that cares about your message. The few people who are here, now, already have their personal ideologies solid in their minds and are not swayed by your comments. Those who are JWs will go away from here as Jws and those who are not will leave as they came also.
You influence nobody here. Nobody.
Do you also have a Crystal Ball ?
Better get that thing fixed as when did God give you special permission to speak on behalf of any of us ?
Yes he's way too long winded however ,his messages he kindly posts DOES INDEED REACH Many People !
Your clueless and have only one biased opinion which is weak and not credible ....
Lol

Elk Grove, CA

#183 Sep 14, 2013
MixedMedia wrote:
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Apparently she thinks the words disappear after she posts them.
Or, she thinks you can only read posts as they are made.
scary.
Yes, and very telling.

It's obvious that this person is trying to discourage people from sharing different viewpoints. I wonder why.

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#184 Sep 14, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not defending them, just pointing out your lack of a "live and let live" attitude.
FYI, I don't follow any church's doctrine. I've been in several different churches as a visitor since I was a little kid and none have appealed to me enough to become a member. Attending church is not my cuppa, but I respect the right of everybody who wants to do it to be able to do it without being taunted by some loon.
BTW, the religion forum on Topix is a fairly obscure place to be preaching either for OR against any doctrine. There are very few people who ever visit this forum, much less this particular thread, so just who the fk do you think you are swaying with your rants?
Holy crappoley, I couldn't care less what freaky drug you took in your misspent youth, grandpa.
You appear to give too much of a shyt what the members of a group you no longer hang with think about you. Life is short, let it go and move on. Those JWs you used to "fellowship" with likely never give you a second thought anymore. Why let something that happened so long ago eat at you like this? BTW, you don't sound like you've yet to be all that filled with Jesus's love that you mentioned. Didn't Jesus say to forgive, forgive, forgive.....
You're only hurting yourself with all this hate talk.
well I guess you can say the same to the JW on here that post for years and all day some all night. and it appears by your post you want people to hate JW or hoping they will post derogatory things about JW so you can really say they hate them, it helps JW believe they are the only true religion when people hate them, does it help you also.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#185 Sep 15, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>well I guess you can say the same to the JW on here that post for years and all day some all night. and it appears by your post you want people to hate JW or hoping they will post derogatory things about JW so you can really say they hate them, it helps JW believe they are the only true religion when people hate them, does it help you also.
The man has been spewing his venomous hatred of JW's organization on this site since 2008. The thousands of comments he has made against them belies his claim that he would be happy if only one person was to turn away from that particular ideology. That's a lot spewing for hoping to "turn" only one person. I suspect there's more to it than him just being kicked out of their ranks for using LSD back in hippy sixties.

People don't leave the church of their choice because of what other people say about it, but because of their own wee voice deep inside telling them to.

I grew up in an obscure Christian sect and, as far as I know, am the only person to have ever left it. Being "born into" a group makes it harder to leave, obviously, but people do implement their own will and it seldom has to do with old men who rant on threads buried in the bowels of Topix.

Last night there were only five people observing this forum, how many of them do you think bothered to read this particular thread?

I find it bizarre that so many posters here think there are this huge number of what they call "lurkers", who read but don't post. Too many people here believe that their web comments are reaching some crowd they can influence.

There are 10 visitors on the forum right now and they are most likely the same ones that are here everyday; the same ones who still believe as they did the first time the came here. The number rarely ever reaches 11, and that's usually only because my presence is registered at the time I check it.

I don't visit this forum enough to know which posters are JW or not. I'd have to visit the JW thread to check monikers AND read the comments; that's not something I care to do.

I only read a few of grandpa's comments because someone mentioned him by name and I thought I'd see what he was about. He's obviously someone who carries grudges to be carrying on a vendetta against the JWs so very many years after his falling out with them.

It doesn't matter which church he's dissing, just that he's been doing it for so long.
Lol

San Ramon, CA

#186 Sep 15, 2013
It's interesting, nanoanomaly, that you only ever see a few, ten or less, visitors to this forum.

Whenever I look at the counter, there are many. Right now, there are 77. At other times there are over 100. Where do you get your count from?

And, more importantly, why do you care so much if grandpasmurf wants to post hundreds or even thousands of posts a day? Why the vitriol toward him if he is so ineffective and reaching "nobody", considering that you are not even a JW and claim to have never been one?

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#187 Sep 16, 2013
Lol wrote:
It's interesting, nanoanomaly, that you only ever see a few, ten or less, visitors to this forum.
Whenever I look at the counter, there are many. Right now, there are 77. At other times there are over 100. Where do you get your count from?
And, more importantly, why do you care so much if grandpasmurf wants to post hundreds or even thousands of posts a day? Why the vitriol toward him if he is so ineffective and reaching "nobody", considering that you are not even a JW and claim to have never been one?
Interesting isn't it ?:)

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