Morehead girls that drugs cause there death

[lastdays]

AND in terms of logic, the logic you use leads to a holocaust, as it has done in the past. You would have a fast lane for the gas chamber after two years of failed rehab?

[Sickofthepills]

Did you miss a few parts of my post? I would have my own BROTHER executed under what I propose.

Maybe you should take another look at my post...then comment?

[Sickofthepills]

Hmmm does it? I mean, on maybe the most basic level you could compare them. Jewish people are different as are people addicted. But I am fairly certain at least Jewish people contribute to a society in some way. They aren't all on welfare trying to support their addiction while stealing or offering their girlfriends or wives to use for the money to buy pills. Well, maybe a few are but then they would be killed too right?

You are way over simplifying this into "If something is different, kill it" I am saying, they need a few chances to get it right. If they manage to do so, great, they deserve it, if not, well sorry, but maybe their death would be an example to others who are doing pills

Lastdays, it seems like you believe everything you read and see. Do some more research on the "Holocaust" before bringing it back up with me. Much of what was written and reported on is now facing much closer scrutiny and some information is being proven as false.

[lastdays]

Your antisemitism is showing. Evidently you believe what Amadickenajad believes about holocaust denial. I don't have to research it since I have ancestors that died in it and escaped from it. My own grandfather fought and helped liberate some of the "we dont need em camps". Where were YOU when that was happening? YOU would wish to duplicate the same atrocities upon pillheads that you have decided needs more research. You are definitely sick. Enough said. But at least you have no morals.

[now i know]

Whenever you do drugs for so long it becomes a way of life. I have been clean for 56 days and I feel like this is my first time living. It's something that is hard to handle and no matter the tragedy it brings you can just snort a pill and go numb to all feelings. It's amazing the way I feel. So much happened that I never dealt with but in time I will be whole again. I just got done having dinner with my family and I feel like I am the most blessed person in the world. I have never been this happy. I f you have never been an addict you can never really understand. I am not a victim, I feel like my family has paid the higher price, we can all heal together I guess. Thank God I am still alive. The sky has never been so blue.

[lastdays]

Thank God you're still here "now" and you didn't listen to people like "sick" above who would suggest that if you can't get over your addiction fast enough, then off with your head. You are right that no one can be self righteous and say that they would never be addicted, it can happen to anyone. Look at the conservative icon of Rush Limbaugh, he was a fully functional contributing member of the social darwinists, yet he was and might still be, a pill head.

I am so glad you're doing better and pray you can stay strong. Whether some people believe it or not, there is a God who does heal and who give strength to the weak.

[Sickofthepills]

Good for you Now I know.

Glad that you got out of the cycle.

As for last days, I am sure I am sick...lol!

And because I believe that certain "facts" about the holocaust were made up, that makes me a nazi!Riiiiggghhhhttttt....

Where was I during WW2? Well lets see, my grandfather fought in the Pacific Theatre so my guess I wasn't born as well.

Research? What? I don't think they need research at all. I think what they need is about 1-2 years from society in a rehab and to be taught social skills.

And again, it is not the same, unless of course, you are saying Jewish peoples are a waste of human space.

As far as my morals, I enjoy my life to the fullest without the trappings of guilt which so often comes with religion. I suppose I have morals but they differ from most.

[lastdays]

It is the "same" because you use the same logic as Hitler that suggests some people are not "worth" living because they are a strain on the community. Your words, Hitler's logic. Hitler did not just kill Jews you know, maybe you haven't researched it or maybe that is one of those facts you don't believe.

[Sickofthepills]

Well lastdays, the fact that you brought up "god" in the last post basically invalidates everything you have said in this thread.

I am sure now that you are one of the sheeple that believes prayer solves everything and god will make everything right.

Just like hes done so many times before.

So, if anyone else wants to have an intelligent argument about pillheads and addicts, feel free to address this thread. As for lastdays, well...haha.

[myft]

sick & last,

both of you are to be congratulated for the exchange. I dont think either of you got out of hand with each other and you expressed your views and took your shots at the argument, not the person. That is part of what topix is for.

Now, I look at pill abuse as a crime against yourself, first of all. If you are not taking pain pills for pain but are snorting them for "pleasure," you have a problem. Does it cross over to others and impact their rights? Yes, so in the second place, it tends to be a crime against society. The thievery, the neglect of family responsibilities, and the endangerment of others are all issues that need attention. But in this post is the comment by "now I know" and it illustrates the informed and REformed perspective. Its the connections to others that give us value. Unfortunately, some folks, the pill popper and their families, lose that connection. While every case is different, I know that a breakdown in the love machine can get people looking elsewhere, believing in the powder of the pill rather than the power of the persons. It isnt a simple problem to solve.

Call me an idealist, but I want to believe that talking openly about human needs for each other and making certain those needs are addressed is an important step. I also think the health care system is inappropriately structured, a function of the history of tying health care to employment and to the corporate profits that come from that. Greed is one of the seven deadlies and it is unfortunately deadly to people other than the greedy. I say, rein in big pharma. If you have a scrip for a schedule three or four, you should be tested twice a week to see if you are taking it and you should have to produce the product on demand. What would be wrong with having people employed in making sure that people were true to their medical regimen? If you get some pills to last a month, then show them to an official at the end of each week. If you cant produce them and they arent in your stream, then you cant get them anymore.

In addition, lots of education...not just on drug problems and effects (look at the fda and acetominophen right now), but also on life style and love connections. Let's teach ourselves to care. Let's show we care, particularly about those closest to us, but for all. I had a coworker, a good reader of gauges, but he just wouldnt take care of himself. He could have changed his situation by changing his sedentary ways, and I offered to walk around the block with him...I should have insisted. I am pledging more openness in my caring, more directness, though when I tell strangers to quit smoking or lose weight, I get some nasty responses.

So, its like Michael Jackson sang, it starts with the man in the mirror...I know...bad person to quote maybe when it comes to an argument about drugs, but then again, words are easier to produce than actions and actions easier than results. But I still call for action and hope for results.

I cant say what God wants.

The Buddha said, who knows the mind of God, or something like that.

[fatty mcfatterson]

fat steve wrote:

who gives a shit.you choose your own path.
they wasnt tweakers the first time or the second time they tryed the drugs,they chose to keep doing them.
weve learned since we was kids what happens when you abuse drugs.if you choose to crush up and snort or inject drugs i say the hell with you.its your own fault

We'll be sure to say the same thing when you lay dying from the heart attack you're sure to suffer from being a fatty. So don't bother to call an ambulance, just lay there and die. You chose to supersize your meal. You chose to put gravy on those biscuits. Now lay there and deal with it.

[MSUFan]

fat steve wrote:

who gives a shit.you choose your own path.
they wasnt tweakers the first time or the second time they tryed the drugs,they chose to keep doing them.
weve learned since we was kids what happens when you abuse drugs.if you choose to crush up and snort or inject drugs i say the hell with you.its your own fault

Your grammar is just as bad as your attitude. If these were your children that were being buried, maybe you would care a little bit more. I learned at a young age that stupidity was wrong, obviously you did not get the message. People are out there telling kids how much fun drugs are so that they can sell drugs to kids. Attitudes like yours are deplorable.

[opinion]

I think that many people resort to drug use as a way to deal with emotional pain. I have had someone close to me battle with addiction for quite some time now. Most times its not that their loved ones have given up on them its just at a certain point there isn't anything they can do. They are grown and make their own decisions. It is truly sad what a strong grip addiction has on so many people today. Drugs change people. The start doing things that they know are morally wrong. Addiction is not only destructive to the person abusing there choice of drug, but also it destroys many relationships they have with other people. They are many times lost souls, and like someone said above sometimes it is a peaceful way out. I have had a relatively normal life and can't imagine what kind of things some people have to go through. I think a lot of times addicts use drugs as a way to deal with ther demons and numb the pain that they struggle with daily. It is so sad that drug abuse is turning into an epidemic in eastern Kentucky. When talking about drugs it is usually a lose-lose situation. If you know someone who is addicted try and help them don't just sit back and watch them destroy their live!

[Passengers on the bus]

In my entire life of nearly 50 years, I've never witnessed such a plague upon people as the opiate addiction. I think we have all been passengers on this bus and no one stood up to ask where we’re going. Please read on before you judge my cover.

In my honest opinion, I think we have failed to nurture human needs and sold out to the almighty buck. If you are in my generation you have lived long enough to see these changes. We now are seeing the result of our accumulative actions over the course of 50 years. It's a harsh reality and we're left wondering what happened.

I believe we have slowly cultivated the perfect environment for the way things are. People have become numbed by the influence of media instead of enlighten by the good things already around them. We had the perfect opportunity to use technology as a direct tool for teaching, and for a time there was good programming for kids and families. Then we allowed it to take a different direction, we were not pushing the buttons, but we allowed someone to take control of the wheel.

Over 30 years ago we allowed cable programming to be broadcast with the largest audience being our kids. While we were busy chasing the almighty dollar, our kids were embarking on a whole new dimension of adult programming. If anyone did stand up in protest, they were quickly knocked down by the huge demand of pop culture. So we go with the flow. The more outrageous programming, the larger the demand became. Even we as adults were jumping on the bus and having a great time.

When our kids began their ailing cries, we gave into them. We are guilty of skipping over our own parental guidance and catered to an entire generation of young people who "want things" and are constantly "bored". We focused on getting the big gift for their birthday, instead of the small gift with much thought. Did we truly give them anything that lasts?

Continued....

[Passengers on the bus]

We pushed them into busy lives, to play sports, do their homework, get the grade, try harder, be somebody. But did we say, help your neighbor, hug your grandpa, forgive your shortcomings, you have to earn it, lets go fishing, look at the stars, lets slow down and talk?

We have medicated our kids for bad behavior, and rewarded them with things they did not have to earn. Maybe we didn't stop to think why our generation never had this neediness for things and most of us never uttered the words “I‘m bored“. Maybe we didn't realize how the rules were changing and instant gratification was the new game. We were just riding on the bus to our unknown destination.

Now look at us, where are we really? We have become attached to our personal electronic devices instead of our personal relationships. We have downsized the importance of quality and settled for quantity. We have unleashed a frenzy of toxic chemical cures for what ails us, and given our government to keys to the medicine cabinet. Although we don't know who is who, drug pusher or protector, they are hard to identify these days and seem to pass those keys around.

An entire generation now deemed as pillheads and we are all scared beyond words that the next one who falls may be one of our own. We are angered by the lack of compassion, empathy, ambition and respect for humanity in the character of people and rightfully so.

Like the comments of the person calling himself Fat Steve and others on topix. We have driven our children into a twisted adult world with fewer boundaries than ever before. We cannot ban Fat Steve from the bus, nor can we stop the bus now, it’s too late. All we can do is offer our seat and hope he gets the view from our window.

We who call ourselves contributors of society need to take a long walk in the aisle and think about what we are contributing to. We don’t love our kids or our grandchildren any less than generations before us. But we truly need to ask ourselves, where is this bus going? A very wise lady once said, we cannot do great things, only small things with great love. I truly believe it is going to take all of us, doing those small things to ever turn this bus around.

[lastdays]

Amen Passenger! You know I have thought many times that what some of these kids on drugs needs is a summer on a ranch of some sort, maybe the Amish? where they must work 14 hours a day, eating food they grow themselves. Where they are made to go to church, meditation etc at least twice a week. Where they are made to help other people for no pay. Where they cannot listen to ipods and play computer games and instead must sit at the feet of elderly people and listen to their stories. I bet it would change their life for the better.

[myft]

This is a lovely demonstration of the value of topix. I wish there was some way to publish more broadly the content of this forum. The need for a public discussion, especially when that discussion is seasoned by the calls for caring contained in this forum, is clear. Mention this to your friends and acquaintances. Start the discussion in your face to face life components.

The Buddha said, today is the first day of somebody in need's life, or something like that.

[lastdays]

I agree and as you know I have faith in God and i believe that love includes an active expression of that love. That means instead of complaining about the drug addicted neighbors, we should actively do something in the spirit of love to help them. I believe Michael Jackson would be alive today if someone were able to do just that as would many of our younger generation in this area.

[WOW]

Passenger, could you visit some of these other sites and put in your 2 cents?! That was both enjoyable to read and insightful. You project compassion and understanding in your post and I thank you. God Bless You, sincerely.

[morehead gal]

my heart goes out to the families of these girls and also to the families of others that have lost a loved one to drugs , all we can do is raise our children we don't know what the future holds, and just pray they don't do it but it does seem like it keeps happening more and more all the time , i know good people and know for a fact that do not do drugs and have children that do but anyway bless the families .