Keep business in the state

Keep business in the state

There are 51 comments on the Lake County Record-Bee story from Dec 22, 2010, titled Keep business in the state. In it, Lake County Record-Bee reports that:

Mr. Morgan's letter of Dec. 21 paints a very rosy picture of business conditions in our state.

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Philip Murphy

San Francisco, CA

#1 Dec 23, 2010
uh dude, they have way less regulation in nevada and look at their economy-it's even worse than ours. The big difference in CA is we have an environment worth protecting, it's why people want to visit and live here and it has a direct impact on the primary source of economic activity here:agriculture.
yeah, the state needs to get out of the way in some areas, but this is still the best place to live in America, life isn't all about a race to the bottom in order to make money, it's about quality of life too.
K-Dude

United States

#2 Dec 23, 2010
Well put Phil, to bad you don't feel that way about Lake County.
Philip Murphy

San Francisco, CA

#3 Dec 23, 2010
K-Dude wrote:
Well put Phil, to bad you don't feel that way about Lake County.
Huh?
Jim Hall

United States

#4 Dec 24, 2010
The truth of the matter is, other states offer a work force that will work for much less salaries as the top draw to move to that state. It includes less benefits and retirement packages too. So to compete, a state would have to lower the standards of living for its work force. To do so, would not only bring the living standards of that states work force but also lower the quality of life living in the state, due to lower tax returns, a lessoning of the quality of social programs, etc.

The numbers of nationwide citizens who dream of living in California, will alway bring quick relief to needed jobs openings. With the population boom of the 80's and 90's over, and it caused a real strain on the states naturual resourses, as well as the over crowded us of most public recreation sites. So a loss of some of this population will have a positive effect on many citizens daily enjoyment of life in general.

But to lower the hard earned level of wage
's and benefits for the working class is not the path to take. Due to the higher level of wages in all fields, the state will retain the much high quality workers for their work force.

Since: Jun 08

Clearlake, Ca

#5 Dec 24, 2010
Philip Murphy wrote:
uh dude, they have way less regulation in nevada and look at their economy-it's even worse than ours. The big difference in CA is we have an environment worth protecting, it's why people want to visit and live here and it has a direct impact on the primary source of economic activity here:agriculture.
yeah, the state needs to get out of the way in some areas, but this is still the best place to live in America, life isn't all about a race to the bottom in order to make money, it's about quality of life too.
I, uh, hmmm, I think I agree with some of what your saying Phil!
However I think the environmental thing can/has been taken to an extreme.
Case in point water cut off from farmers in the valley because a little fish might be harmed(I don't think the fish was even on the endangered list.)
Philip Murphy

San Francisco, CA

#6 Dec 24, 2010
Sandra M wrote:
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I, uh, hmmm, I think I agree with some of what your saying Phil!
However I think the environmental thing can/has been taken to an extreme.
Case in point water cut off from farmers in the valley because a little fish might be harmed(I don't think the fish was even on the endangered list.)
those "farmers" in the central valley are really mostly large corporations who get water from northern California that is subsidized by you and me, and those "little" fish they are trying to save are our salmon, the ones that used to keep 29 canneries running between sacramento and the bay-there are NONE there today! Go to Noyo harbor and try to find a salmon fishing boat, those guys growing tomatoes in a desert are what killed the industry, along with some of the grape growers up here.

Since: Jun 08

Clearlake, Ca

#7 Dec 24, 2010
Philip Murphy wrote:
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those "farmers" in the central valley are really mostly large corporations who get water from northern California that is subsidized by you and me, and those "little" fish they are trying to save are our salmon, the ones that used to keep 29 canneries running between sacramento and the bay-there are NONE there today! Go to Noyo harbor and try to find a salmon fishing boat, those guys growing tomatoes in a desert are what killed the industry, along with some of the grape growers up here.
Hey Phil, can you send me a link to the story of it being salmon. I'm not finding it, Thanks.
I'll admit it's been awhile since I read the articles(that I can't find,arrggh)but I don't think they were salmon they were called silversides or something like that. The impression given in the article was that these were big and small farmers alike.
You got to admit with our society as large as it is we need those big farmers to feed us. Now I'm for locally grown food consumption and farmers markets, besides the obvious benefits it also gets you connected with local folks and that's a good thing.
Donna Christopher

Kelseyville, CA

#8 Dec 24, 2010
Delta smelt are those small fish that get caught up in the pumps. Small fish get eaten by larger fish etc. Concur the closer you are to your food source the better off you are Sandra. Interesting article in the NYT today about how corporate interests have bought up much of Africa's farm land and the local plutocrats failed to clue in the folks actually living & farming on that land. I don't see that having a happy ending.

Found the results of the last census rather head scratching - so many moving to the south, especially the southwest. Not much water and not much arable land - but I guess it makes for lower winter heating bills.
Lakeport Hairless

Vina, CA

#9 Dec 24, 2010
You love those free gut bomb meals at the Senior Center where folks notice you in the early stages of dementia.

Since: Jun 08

Clearlake, Ca

#10 Dec 24, 2010
Donna Christopher wrote:
Delta smelt are those small fish that get caught up in the pumps. Small fish get eaten by larger fish etc. Concur the closer you are to your food source the better off you are Sandra. Interesting article in the NYT today about how corporate interests have bought up much of Africa's farm land and the local plutocrats failed to clue in the folks actually living & farming on that land. I don't see that having a happy ending.
Found the results of the last census rather head scratching - so many moving to the south, especially the southwest. Not much water and not much arable land - but I guess it makes for lower winter heating bills.
Thanks Donna, I was fairly sure the fish were not salmon. While I don't recall our gov't confiscating farmland, I do think much of the land grab is for mineral/oil & gas resources.
An interesting question for you: Should the Federal or the State Gov't be the ones to own land?
RIV_CHIMP

Lakeport, CA

#13 Dec 24, 2010
actually boulder colorado now has the highest per capita of software engineers, the socialist welfare state of ca will colapse soon. the contrarian bs artists of san francisco will continue to denie that this state will follow the northeast collapse of jobs and able bodied workers. Your services will collapse, election of a druggie sheriff will push people out of a no where county, phil murphy will exude bs in support of his leftwing wacko shitbaaagg friends, as lake county can no longer protect and serve, prepare to be mugged, burgled, or raped....lol...lol...
Jim Hall wrote:
The truth of the matter is, other states offer a work force that will work for much less salaries as the top draw to move to that state. It includes less benefits and retirement packages too. So to compete, a state would have to lower the standards of living for its work force. To do so, would not only bring the living standards of that states work force but also lower the quality of life living in the state, due to lower tax returns, a lessoning of the quality of social programs, etc.
The numbers of nationwide citizens who dream of living in California, will alway bring quick relief to needed jobs openings. With the population boom of the 80's and 90's over, and it caused a real strain on the states naturual resourses, as well as the over crowded us of most public recreation sites. So a loss of some of this population will have a positive effect on many citizens daily enjoyment of life in general.
But to lower the hard earned level of wage
's and benefits for the working class is not the path to take. Due to the higher level of wages in all fields, the state will retain the much high quality workers for their work force.
Jim Hall

United States

#14 Dec 24, 2010
RIV_CHIMP wrote:
actually boulder colorado now has the highest per capita of software engineers, the socialist welfare state of ca will colapse soon. the contrarian **** artists of san francisco will continue to denie that this state will follow the northeast collapse of jobs and able bodied workers. Your services will collapse, election of a druggie sheriff will push people out of a no where county, phil murphy will exude **** in support of his leftwing wacko shitbaaagg friends, as lake county can no longer protect and serve, prepare to be mugged, burgled, or raped....lol...lol...<quote d text>
Don't let the door hit you on your way out of Lake County for your trip to the promised land.
kid lucerne

AOL

#15 Dec 24, 2010
Philip Murphy wrote:
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those "farmers" in the central valley are really mostly large corporations who get water from northern California that is subsidized by you and me, and those "little" fish they are trying to save are our salmon, the ones that used to keep 29 canneries running between sacramento and the bay-there are NONE there today! Go to Noyo harbor and try to find a salmon fishing boat, those guys growing tomatoes in a desert are what killed the industry, along with some of the grape growers up here.
well phil have you stopped eating tomatoes or grapes or dringk wine. maybe not
Philip Murphy

San Francisco, CA

#16 Dec 24, 2010
kid lucerne wrote:
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well phil have you stopped eating tomatoes or grapes or dringk wine. maybe not
tomatoes should be grown where the environment will support them-that isn't in the desert. We could grow tomatoes here year-round if we used some of the low-output steam wells to heat greenhouses that aren't strong enough to spin turbines, it's free, sustainable and makes no pollution.

Grapes grown here aren't the problem, it's the ones grown in the watersheds on the coast, navarro river, Russian river, etc. I don't drink but have done every lousy job there is in a vineyard, they have their up and downsides but the fact is they are the primary source of income here, but it's our job to make sure they are grown in the least destructive manner.
kid lucerne

AOL

#18 Dec 24, 2010
Philip Murphy wrote:
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tomatoes should be grown where the environment will support them-that isn't in the desert. We could grow tomatoes here year-round if we used some of the low-output steam wells to heat greenhouses that aren't strong enough to spin turbines, it's free, sustainable and makes no pollution.
Grapes grown here aren't the problem, it's the ones grown in the watersheds on the coast, navarro river, Russian river, etc. I don't drink but have done every lousy job there is in a vineyard, they have their up and downsides but the fact is they are the primary source of income here, but it's our job to make sure they are grown in the least destructive manner.
yes your right phil but have you stopped eating tomatoes, it you are you are supporting farming in the desert
Philip Murphy

United States

#19 Dec 24, 2010
kid lucerne wrote:
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yes your right phil but have you stopped eating tomatoes, it you are you are supporting farming in the desert
but how do you know if they come from Buttonwillow or the Capay valley? How could any consumer know-hell, even the processors probably couldn't connect a can of tomato soup with a particular farm or even a region.
Koalabear2525

Vacaville, CA

#21 Dec 25, 2010
lets bring some good jobs back to lake county and get rid of the sierra club . You Donna and your family have a nice christmas and you also Phil
lucerne kid

AOL

#22 Dec 26, 2010
Philip Murphy wrote:
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but how do you know if they come from Buttonwillow or the Capay valley? How could any consumer know-hell, even the processors probably couldn't connect a can of tomato soup with a particular farm or even a region.
well phil stop eating tomatoes all together then, that way you wont have to question where they are coming from and you wont be sure not to be supporting farming in the desert
lucerne kid

AOL

#23 Dec 26, 2010
excuse me)and you will be sure not to be supporting farming in the desert areas.
Lucy Moore

Springfield, MO

#24 Dec 26, 2010
Koalabear2525 wrote:
lets bring some good jobs back to lake county and get rid of the sierra club . You Donna and your family have a nice christmas and you also Phil
Could you be specific? What GOOD jobs are you refering to that you want to BRING BACK?

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