Farm Bureau opposes local regulation ...

Farm Bureau opposes local regulation of GE crops

There are 51 comments on the Lake County Record-Bee story from May 13, 2008, titled Farm Bureau opposes local regulation of GE crops. In it, Lake County Record-Bee reports that:

The Lake County Farm Bureau decided at its meeting Monday to oppose any local regulation regarding genetically engineered crops, Executive Director Chuck March said.

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DISSENTER

San Francisco, CA

#2 May 14, 2008
The farm bureau works for agri bussiness and DOW has them in their pocket. Would any one of you take a big swig from a bottle of ROUNDUP? Then why would you eat something full of poison it kills the bugs how about you. DOW does not want to feed the world they want to own the food chain. If you want to grow something you have to go to DOW. Why do you think most civalized countries wont take our poison grains. And our government pays agri biz to not grow while real farmers lose their farms.
Trina

United States

#3 May 14, 2008
I think all these farmers are half brain dead from the chemicals they are constantly sniffing. Since they want freedom of choice, what's to keep them from asking for DDT? What's to keep them from asking for slaves again? Oh wait - they practically have that already.
king Solomen

United States

#6 May 14, 2008
there you have it folks, proof that 94% of the FB directors are idiots!
Minimum Standards

United States

#7 May 14, 2008
The Lake County vs. the People of the County of Lake. Our tax dollars at work supporting big business and it's handmaidens.
Lonely Thinker

San Francisco, CA

#8 May 14, 2008
I find it deeply disturbing that there is such a rush to judgment to call our local farmers 'idiots' and puppets of chemical companies. Next it's slavery? If this is the mindset that we as a community are entering into discussions with or desire to make healthful choices for ourselves and others, I am frightened and I dearly hope I am not alone in this fear.
You've incorrectly assumed that all who farm for their living are dolts. FYI - farmers are hardly a homogeneous group. They have all different types of education, life experiences, political affiliations, you name it. What they do share almost uniformly is a desire to be part of the dialog and not hit with a hammer instead of a hello.
If you actually think that this kind of vitriolic, ill-founded, emotional outcry is productive to our long-term community health, I am concerned about the direction of Lake Co. Do you know these people you insult and disparage? Do you ever stop to appreciate how hard American farmers work with very little acknowledgement by our society? It's not a fun job, it's one that people tend to feel in their souls and invest their lives in. Can't you appreciate that type of committment in a person rather than making tissue thin stereotypes of them? Doesn't promote peace apply to our own community as well? It's no wonder they fear for their freedoms when they see the wave of emotion driven political agenda crashing around this county.
Fight for labeling on foods, fight for fair trade and proper inspection and labelling of foods from countries where they don't give a RIP about what they farm with. Our farmers here aren't the enemy, regardless of how much you want to imagine they are. Open your minds, you might be surprised.
king Solomen

United States

#9 May 14, 2008
want clear proof many Lake County growers are COMPLETE idiots? Look at the walnut biz, most of the crop is non-organic, even though EVERY orchard could be run that way and the growers would MORE THAN DOUBLE THEIR INCOME. LC walnut growers lose MILLIONS of dollars every year via outright stupidity.
The conventional growers in the pear biz are spraying their orchards with 60% more chemicals/materials than they need to because they have been brainwashed into thinking it's nessesary because the PCAs have told them so-as they give the pesticide biz a a backrub at the same time they dole out advice
. Organic winegrape growing is the most profitable sector of the market and isn't too hard either, so why are so few local growers organic when the wineries are BEGGING for more organic tonnage? BECAUSE A LOT OF LOCAL GROWERS ARE IDIOTS!
Lonely Thinker

San Francisco, CA

#10 May 14, 2008
Still alone in independent thought I see.
Just a few thoughts KS.
1) Please change your name. Solomon was a wise and just man.
2) The economic reality of supply and demand also applies to organic crops. The more you have, the less it's worth. We are all happy to see organic farmers gleaning great market prices.
3) Would you appreciate being called an idiot by someone who knows you not a whit? Please answer Yes/No.
4) Give peace a chance. Peace starts at home and is pretty hard to maintain with antagonism and vitriole. Gotta practice what ya preach to make it real.
king Solomen

United States

#12 May 14, 2008
king Solomen sez "don't shoot the messenger, Jack!". The organic walnut biz has PLENTY of room to grow, LC walnut says they alone can market $7 million more per-year,with NO price drop.
Conventional growers in the pear biz are in a downward spiral that will never end because they have NEVER been able to identify the TRUE enemy (I'll give you a hint, it's not enviromentalists). Almost all pear growers are republicans who have voted for the same people who gave us globalization and corporate consolidation-the two things killing the industry.
Hundreds of acres of winegrapes rot on the vine EVERY year here, if they were organic they would have contracts and that biz is growing by leaps and bounds.
So get a grip lonely thinker, you can't refute ANY of my argruments, all you want is to play by the rules and ignore the facts, and here's one more for you: many conventional growers AREN'T happy that organic growers are making money and they aren't, a lot of jealosey is fixing their position.
Mark Basehore

United States

#13 May 14, 2008
King Solomon is indeed a wise speaker here. No refuting the facts! Small scale non-organic farmer is being sufficated by agri-business which any sane person would try to stomp out. But let's just allow the farm bureau (headed by idiots, for idiots and subsidized by their true enemy) to call all the shots here since whatever they want, we are under some moral obligation to provide. No point in ever looking outside the box.
DISSENTER

San Francisco, CA

#14 May 17, 2008
Lonley Tinker there is quite a difference between farmers and agri business. Farmers usually try to feed something Agri Biz sees only the bottom line and human beings are not even considered. Agri Biz gets the subsides while farmers loose everything let DOW find one cell of Roundup ready in your crop and see what happens.
Wanted Dangerous Armed

United States

#15 May 22, 2008
Strange how these threads end usually on the truthful side it seems more people are more apt to keep responding to stupidity than saying something in response to the truth.
Legalize IT

Since: Feb 08

United States

#16 May 22, 2008
Lonely Thinker wrote:
I find it deeply disturbing that there is such a rush to judgment to call our local farmers 'idiots' and puppets of chemical companies. Next it's slavery? If this is the mindset that we as a community are entering into discussions with or desire to make healthful choices for ourselves and others, I am frightened and I dearly hope I am not alone in this fear.
You've incorrectly assumed that all who farm for their living are dolts. FYI - farmers are hardly a homogeneous group. They have all different types of education, life experiences, political affiliations, you name it. What they do share almost uniformly is a desire to be part of the dialog and not hit with a hammer instead of a hello.
If you actually think that this kind of vitriolic, ill-founded, emotional outcry is productive to our long-term community health, I am concerned about the direction of Lake Co. Do you know these people you insult and disparage? Do you ever stop to appreciate how hard American farmers work with very little acknowledgement by our society? It's not a fun job, it's one that people tend to feel in their souls and invest their lives in. Can't you appreciate that type of committment in a person rather than making tissue thin stereotypes of them? Doesn't promote peace apply to our own community as well? It's no wonder they fear for their freedoms when they see the wave of emotion driven political agenda crashing around this county.
Fight for labeling on foods, fight for fair trade and proper inspection and labelling of foods from countries where they don't give a RIP about what they farm with. Our farmers here aren't the enemy, regardless of how much you want to imagine they are. Open your minds, you might be surprised.
It is refreshing to hear the discourse on this topic. Those of us socially-responsible, environmentally conscious individuals should banned together in a local thinktank to work on creating a long-term plan for sustainability in the Lake County area. I am a Social Worker here and believe strongly in socially empowering people through education to become reconnected to the land and cultivate the value of enviromental stewardship. This practical appoach creates productive healthy individuals that make better citizens as a result of feeling a sense of place and belonging to their community through involvement on a variety of creative and civic levels. Restoring the infrastructure of the city of Clearlake through apprentice training programs, is just one way individuals can gain self-esteem and pride in participating in their community restoration efforts. The City of Berkeley has a very proactive approach to involvement with its citizenry in partnerships with public works and planning efforts that require active input into changes prior to any improvement being made and hands-on cooperation done side-byside with these governmental agencies.

Anyone who is interested in such an endeavor may comment back to me on this forum until a proper exchange of contact information can be made.
Taxpayer

United States

#17 May 22, 2008
We cannot seem to educate our children,pave our streets,provide safe drinking water or Organic food! Yet we still waste money on the antiquated C.A.M.P. program. Why not irradicate the alcohol producing vineyards and the Farm Bureau and the
Dept of Agriculture and the FDA and the and the and the and the and get back to Basics!
Lonely Thinker

San Francisco, CA

#18 Jun 4, 2008
Dear G and O,

And it was refreshing to me to read your input. It is deeply disturbing to me that we seem to have 'de-evolved' to a place where there is no community dialogue, just bash-fests and name calling. If this is 'progressive thought', who needs it?

I'm all for critical thought and talking. I can't say that I share your background but am grateful that you are the lone soul who even gave credence to the thought that it might behoove us to befriend our local farmers rather than disparage them. Our local farmers are part of the partnership that feeds the world and receive so little credit for it. It boggles my mind that even in our small, intimate community that there is this antagonism towards 'conventional' farmers. It's a sure fire way to get nowhere fast. It apparently feels so much better to throw stones than to think things through. Thank you for engaging in positive discourse!!!
G and O

United States

#19 Jun 5, 2008
Lonely Thinker wrote:
Dear G and O,
And it was refreshing to me to read your input. It is deeply disturbing to me that we seem to have 'de-evolved' to a place where there is no community dialogue, just bash-fests and name calling. If this is 'progressive thought', who needs it?
I'm all for critical thought and talking. I can't say that I share your background but am grateful that you are the lone soul who even gave credence to the thought that it might behoove us to befriend our local farmers rather than disparage them. Our local farmers are part of the partnership that feeds the world and receive so little credit for it. It boggles my mind that even in our small, intimate community that there is this antagonism towards 'conventional' farmers. It's a sure fire way to get nowhere fast. It apparently feels so much better to throw stones than to think things through. Thank you for engaging in positive discourse!!!
I appreciate your comments. My feeling is that Lake County is like a fishbowl. We are isolated by the passes separating us from the outside world on all sides, for better and for worse. As is the case, becoming sustainable and developing an infrastructure from within that relies on community efforts, growing local produce, and for the carnivorous, raising stock, and starting cooperative ventures at the grass-roots level will educate and empower local residents to support themselves. There is too much dependance on outside entities solving the problems people have here, and pretty soon getting assistance from the outside world due to the oil crisis will make it impossible for us to survive without a plan for sustainability. I'm guessing it will take about 10 years before the oil runs out. As you know already, paying over $4.00 a gallon at the pump, it is becoming a reality. Lastly, for so long Americans have been seduced into complacency by the need for conveniences. Having to do with less is far better, healthier, and is good for the environment. We can be the change we want to see in the world.
Liberal DISSENTER

San Francisco, CA

#20 Jun 5, 2008
Lonely Thinker wrote:
Dear G and O,
And it was refreshing to me to read your input. It is deeply disturbing to me that we seem to have 'de-evolved' to a place where there is no community dialogue, just bash-fests and name calling. If this is 'progressive thought', who needs it?
I'm all for critical thought and talking. I can't say that I share your background but am grateful that you are the lone soul who even gave credence to the thought that it might behoove us to befriend our local farmers rather than disparage them. Our local farmers are part of the partnership that feeds the world and receive so little credit for it. It boggles my mind that even in our small, intimate community that there is this antagonism towards 'conventional' farmers. It's a sure fire way to get nowhere fast. It apparently feels so much better to throw stones than to think things through. Thank you for engaging in positive discourse!!!
I see why your lonely do you know any farmers have you ever talked to a real farmer please thinker go out there and find one not some politician with a vineyard but a real farmer one who grows food for all us humans they fight weather bugs pickers packing houses chemicals especially if they are trying to be organic. Farm Bureau has been no help.

There is a new movement called (slow food) watch for it sustainable local organic not Dow poison food we should be able to get our food from our neighbors not neigboring countries
Wanted REAL food

United States

#21 Jun 18, 2008
Calling Lonely Thinker
Let's get back to this food VS poison issue. Espesially now that I have to chose daily between gas or food go cheap and fast get poisoned go local organic cost more live better & longer, support my neighbor not AG bizz, they took the culture out of agriculture.
Provocateur

United States

#22 Jul 3, 2008
Here's a clue on where our food chain is headed who did Ashcroft & Gonzales work for before they became our Attorny Generals
real information

Saint Michael, MN

#23 Jul 3, 2008
DISSENTER wrote:
The farm bureau works for agri bussiness and DOW has them in their pocket. Would any one of you take a big swig from a bottle of ROUNDUP? Then why would you eat something full of poison it kills the bugs how about you. DOW does not want to feed the world they want to own the food chain. If you want to grow something you have to go to DOW. Why do you think most civalized countries wont take our poison grains. And our government pays agri biz to not grow while real farmers lose their farms.
You sound very passionate about this subject, but your message is drastically mis-stated.
Roundup is a herbicide, not an insecticide. For the control of weeds in a corn field, I would much rather handle the non-restricted Roundup than other more toxic products (such as Atrizine.)
The GE corn has been developed to be unappealing to the corn borer moth (she won't lay eggs on the GE plant) and other such pests so applications of Lorsban or Dyfonate are not needed ... no chemical is applied at all, no insecticide is needed to control bugs.
Provocateur

San Francisco, CA

#24 Jul 3, 2008
And cows die from eating it.

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