Red Light Cameras
Posted in the Lakemoor Forum
#1 Mar 11, 2012
So much has been said about red light cameras and what they do, that I would like to point out what they DON'T do!
1. Red light cameras don't pull you over and have you sit along a busy and dangerous highway for 10 minutes when you are running late to work, so they can write you a ticket, it comes in the mail.
2. Red light cameras don't ask to see the insurance card you forgot to put in your car and now you have a required court appearance.
3. Red light cameras don't ask you why your breath smells like alcohol.
4. Red light cameras don't check to make sure you renewed your license plates.
5. Red light cameras don't take your driver's license as bond and make you drive on a traffic ticket.
6. Red light cameras don't require you to sit along a road with a police car behind you as everyone drives by and looks at you.
7. Red light camera tickets don't reflect on your driving record raising your insurance rates (normal tickets for the same thing would.)
8. Red light camera tickets don't cost as much.
9. Red light cameras don't do traffic stops partialy blocking traffic lanes and causing traffic back-ups that make you late due to someone else violating the law.
The list goes on!
Now what they DO:
1. Red light cameras force people to respect the traffic signals and not blow the light and hit you and your family as you enter the intersection.
2. Red light cameras record people who DO blow the light and hit you, thereby proving that THEY were at fault, not you.
3. Red light cameras DO provide video proof of why you got the ticket and you can see it yourself and prove it if the ticket is wrong, it's not your word against the word of a police officer in court.
4. Red light cameras DO generate revenue that doesn't come out of the law abiding tax payers pocket and help fund projects to improve YOUR home towns without costing the everyday citizen that does respect the laws.
The list goes on and on!
So are you sure you would rather get rid of the cameras and have the police stop you instead? Would you rather the lost revenue com out of YOUR tax paying pocket and not the traffic offenders pockets?
I have one tip that will help make sure these cameras never isuue you a ticket:
Since: Jan 12
#2 Mar 12, 2012
You have forgotten one fundamental criteria of being a citizen in this country. The ability to face your accuser in a court of law. The tickets I received were not due to a careless disregard of a traffic signal. They were due to being caught waiting to turn left until traffic from the other direction cleared the intersection. So your solution of "JUST STOP" completely ignores the situation. Your reasoning of what red light cameras don't do is completely insignificant. If someone is driving on expired plates, driving under the influence, etc., they should be pulled over by an officer, and if I am breaking the law, so should I and it doesn't matter if it is on the side of a busy highway.
The suggestion that they are good for safety have been proven completely false. They are good for nothing more than an income generator for cities that place them and the company that provides them. And yes, I want a police officer to pull me over if I am doing something wrong.
#3 Mar 12, 2012
Let's break this one down cuz it's pretty funny actually:
1. Red light cameras don't pull you over and have you sit along a busy and dangerous highway for 10 minutes when you are running late to work, so they can write you a ticket, it comes in the mail.-- Correct!
2. Red light cameras don't ask to see the insurance card you forgot to put in your car and now you have a required court appearance.--
Correct. Why not? If I am driving without insurance that is a BIGGER issue.
3. Red light cameras don't ask you why your breath smells like alcohol.-- Correct. Again, this is your reasoning why we should have the cameras???
4. Red light cameras don't check to make sure you renewed your license plates.-- Correct - please see above
5. Red light cameras don't take your driver's license as bond and make you drive on a traffic ticket.-- No, they just take $100 bucks out of your pocket 2 weeks later.
6. Red light cameras don't require you to sit along a road with a police car behind you as everyone drives by and looks at you.-- If you break the law, that's what you should get.
7. Red light camera tickets don't reflect on your driving record raising your insurance rates (normal tickets for the same thing would.)-- Why not?
8. Red light camera tickets don't cost as much.-- sure they do..depending on the infraction
9. Red light cameras don't do traffic stops partialy blocking traffic lanes and causing traffic back-ups that make you late due to someone else violating the law.-- Seriously??
The list goes on!
Now what they DO:
1. Red light cameras force people to respect the traffic signals and not blow the light and hit you and your family as you enter the intersection.-- Proven untrue
2. Red light cameras record people who DO blow the light and hit you, thereby proving that THEY were at fault, not you.-- "blowing" a yellow light that is 2-3 seconds long is a set up to FAIL
3. Red light cameras DO provide video proof of why you got the ticket and you can see it yourself and prove it if the ticket is wrong, it's not your word against the word of a police officer in court - Yep, it's your word against a machine that doesn't take into account the conditions under which the infraction takes place
4. Red light cameras DO generate revenue that doesn't come out of the law abiding tax payers pocket and help fund projects to improve YOUR home towns without costing the everyday citizen that does respect the laws.-- Yep, for the CAMERA SUPPLIERS WHO IN TURN DONATE TO THE POLITICIANS WHO FURTHER THEIR AGENDAS. AND LAW ABIDING CITIZENS ARE PAYING EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WAKE UP PEOPLE. THESE CAMERAS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A WAY TO GENERATE INCOME AND THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY. WE ARE ALL BEING SET UP TO FAIL AND PAY.
#4 Mar 12, 2012
Spray paint the lenses........
#5 Mar 12, 2012
see my response in the other thread
#6 Mar 12, 2012
Another point that is missing.
The red light cameras target the OWNER of the car not the actual driver.
So if a family member is driving your car YOU get the red light ticket not the actual driver.
This could be really important to the owner if they already have two tickets on their record OR if they have a suspended license.
I'll take a real cop anytime over a machine.
A real cop will take in consideration the flow of traffic speed at the time.
A real cop will take in consideration the yellow light time.
A real cop will take in consideration road conditions/weather, etc.
Real cops are not always fair but they have a better understanding of driving then any machine does.
#7 Mar 12, 2012
Oh and Just Stop..
So you know in many local municipalities, to dispute a traffic camera offense you have to pay court costs regardless of the outcome, and you have the burden of proof to dispute it, not vice versa.
If you are waved through a red light camera by a police officer directing traffic, you will be ticketed.
In Illinois, you must obey the order/signal of a police officer over that of a traffic signal, this is the law.
If you want to dispute this ticket, you must pay a fee of at minimum $35, but typically $75-$100 to dispute the maybe $100 ticket in a hearing, this fee is up front and non-refundable.
EVEN if you are justified and found "not guilty" of the red light offense, you are out $35-$75 as the court costs as a nominal "processing fee". The government still has to pay the "partner in enforcement" - RedFlex or ATS. The partner is still paid by the unit of government when the violation is "verified" by the click of an officer who watches the video clip and says "yes a violation likely occurred".
If you are found guilty in this hearing (at which you can't legally face your accuser, being found unconstitutional in 2 US Districts already) you are required to pay the fine. You already paid your court costs prior to the hearing.
In Schaumburg, it was the same cost to admit guilt and pay the ticket, or to show up to the hearing and be found not responsible. This is not justice, and Schaumburg realized it.
Knoxville, TN was just sued by their red light camera company because they don't like the new law forbidding using red-light cameras as evidence for right on red violations. They asked the state to exempt the 20 cities that use their service and have filed suit claiming the law is in violation of their contract. What's their contract say?
The red light company gets $40 out of the $50 violation fee up to the first $4500 of revenue per camera (per month) and then they get a 50%/50% split.
This is not safety. This is a fee based service that has taxation and criminal "teeth" involved.
They will go away.
#8 Aug 18, 2012
The cameras are there to raise revenue and ironically do so very ineffeciently given that at best only one-half goes to the city. I could pay some kid $10 an hour to film right on turn violators with his cell phone. The first violation of the day would pay his salary.
If the politician's who put these up are actually interested in safety, tickets should only be issued for "forward moving" violationsl. However, 90 percent of the tickets are issued for meaningless "rolling" right turn on red violations which only represent at best a miniscule (tiny) threat to public safety.
#9 Aug 18, 2012
and $100 for a rolling right turn violation is heavy fine for someone making $8 - $15 dollars and hour. Most people are living on the edge. Politicians just don't get it.
#10 Aug 18, 2012
Couldn't agree more. Just another example of someone trying to make money off the backs of taxpayers. We know its all about the money, and if anyone tells you different, they are blind.$100 ticket for something so minor is just ridiculous. The key for these municipalities that install these cameras is to REDUCE THEIR BUDGETS, not look for more ways to generate income on the backs of their citizens. We all need to start paying atttention to where the $$ are going people and start doing something about it.
#11 Aug 18, 2012
Did any of you guys ever think to obey the law and just STOP? That's what it is all about.
#12 Aug 18, 2012
Get a clue.
#13 Aug 18, 2012
Maybe if you would actually read the posts you would understand. It's not that simple or there would not be a problem.
#14 Aug 18, 2012
Thats way too simple for these people! Yes it really is that simple! If you stop you don't get a ticket. I laugh! Keep paying our bills!
#15 Aug 19, 2012
Next Choice Please. This is not that simple. While sitting at Grand / Dilleys on Thursday, and the ONLY car at the intersection, the red light camera flashed about 10 times. I called Gurnee PD who told me that all tickets are reviewed, and that if I was stopped behind the line (which I most definitely was) that I would not receive a violation. Now, I have not received anything yet, but I am waiting to see. A year ago I received a violation for a red light camera violation that was the same plate number, but a different vehicle (I don't drive an Escalade). It was clearly not my vehicle, and I provided photographic evidence that it was the wrong plate. I had to pay a $35 hearing fee that was non-refundable to fight the violation for something that was found to be a computer error. How I can be ticketed in a city I haven't visited in over a year, and neither has my vehicle shows the faults in the system.
#16 Aug 19, 2012
Actually never had a ticket but I certainly understand the problem. Unfortunately, its people like you that DON'T understand and don't care, that allow our governmental bodies continue to rake it's citizens over the coals.
#17 Aug 21, 2012
Its all about making money and nothing else.
If they were that concerned about safety they would put in speed bumps.
They work great and its a one time cost.
Way cheaper then a camera.
But speed bumps don't make money for greedy politicans.
#18 Aug 21, 2012
Cameras can take picture of your licencse Plate number which mean you all will get surprise tickets from Police Dept. Enjoy your day. Keep on watching for your mails will be coming to you soon.
#19 Aug 21, 2012
Wow, thanks for that useful info.
#20 Aug 21, 2012
Its all about making money and nothing else, in many state's they are illegal....
And they are just widdling away your freedoms, alot of intersections have camera's for "emegency" reasons, tracking criminals, etc... so what's next, time you from camera to camera, if you go to fast you get a ticket? why not statilite view all cars and if they go over speed limit ticket them. where does it end?
If was about safety, they better ways to control traffic offenders, anyone that says different is a politician or ignorant.
Soon when you step out your house the government will watch every move you make.
Take notice-many intersection cameras are solar powered, but the traffic lights are not.....hmmmmm
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