8 teens arrested in beating of Lakeland girl

[PTOMOM]

Robert Stevens wrote:

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OK, I am going to play the fool for a minutes and give credit to your post. I don't believe you, but as I said for a minute i'll play a fool. Why would you post this? I actually think if it was true, you posting it is worse than lying, which is what i am sure you are doing. I think you figured out what i figured out. The difference is you are upset at different things from what I am upset about. It's hard to say if I am upset or disappointed, but you are upset. You are destroying what you can't have and that is the real answer. I on the other dislike the faked answer. I have a list of faults that i think should be discussed.

Are you on crack because you sound like it. Her mug shots are all over the internet with a description of what her arrests were for. It's not a big secret. I'm not "upset" at all because I don't care enough to be upset. I am not close with these people. I would never associate with people like the ones involved in this whole fiasco. You, however, seem to be strangly passionate about the whole thing. You seem to be obsessed to a bizarre level. For this girl's safety, I hope you don't live anywhere near her.

[Robert Stevens]

PTOMOM wrote:

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Are you on crack because you sound like it. Her mug shots are all over the internet with a description of what her arrests were for. It's not a big secret. I'm not "upset" at all because I don't care enough to be upset. I am not close with these people. I would never associate with people like the ones involved in this whole fiasco. You, however, seem to be strangly passionate about the whole thing. You seem to be obsessed to a bizarre level. For this girl's safety, I hope you don't live anywhere near her.

OK there it is. I don't believe it. This is what Florida and/or the model portreying Victoria Lindsay who's name I do know, want you to believe. I'll come back to make believe. Victoria never requested media coverage. Those web pages should be ashamed to post it as they did. Florida real wants to be The Wild West. I think there comes a point that common citizens should leave, and then victims of crimes, are actually at fault for being in what was once the Sunshine State. To you PTOMOM Victoria never claimed the soap box she was offered, and perhaps that would be her fall, that is if this is real.

[Robert Stevens]

PTOMOM brings up what would happen if I meet Victoria, and I'd ad on any other of the participants. Of course as noted previously I do think the people you call the names of those that were involved, are really the people involved. I would not approach them at all. If the topic came up i would mock them for talking as if they are anything besides entertainers. With my e-mail exchanges, I make it clear, I don't believe you are whom you claim to be. Unfortunately some times they are silly. Mainly the one that portrays Victoria Lindsay, whom can no longer be found as who she really is. So a model with the initials A.D went from highly talkative and easily found to disappeared. Now I am going to shock many. I think i do know who is the real Victoria Lindsay. I don't e-mail her and try to discuss this. If i meet any of the real people involved, I would respect the effort put forward for this act. As much as I get into this topic, I wouldn't approach any of the real or pretend actors involved. I am tempted to e-mail the model, but I don't because I respect a less than one percent chance that she is whom she claims to be.

[Robert Stevens]

I guess i have to sit back and watch, particular details. I'll continue to make my stands. Victoria for a very long time was true to her spirit, and accomplished much in prior lives. Maybe this portrayal delivers a message you want to send. I see an overall view that is less favorable. I hope Victoria will do as she has. That is be true to herself. Obviously here where I talk to those that seek a lawyer's utopia I have no hope. For crying out loud they do not need to stir this pot.

[Fed Up]

Oh my good lord, Robert Stevens, I am not saying this as a mockery, I am genuinely concerned: are you in touch with any mental health professionals? Because if not, you should definitely make it a priority. I've checked on this thread on and off since the incident happened, and those of you who STILL post here (daily..) scare me, quite frankly. Your participation in and of itself after this long is indicative of serious obsession, and the things you post, and clearly BELIEVE, are out-and-out insane. Your theory on this being a pagan ritual re-enacted by models and actresses sounds like the rantings of a schizophrenic afraid of the kashisties living under their skin or something..Do you honestly believe this goes further and more complicated thn just a bunch of white trash teen girls from Florida acting like morons?Who would bother to co-ordinate all of that, and why?!?!? Get a grip on reality... And admonishing people for posting info about VL being arrested. Are you for-effing-real, man?!?!?!#1- Do you honestly think what you do on a daily basis here on topix is a service to VL?! Do you think she doesn't find your obsession with her creepy?! I was her age not long ago and I would be sleeping with a claw hammer under my pillow if I had y'all sitting here dissecting my life, talking bout how innocent and angelic I am, and that how I could never possibly do anything wrong because I am such an upstanding person (even though you don't know me from your space bar)#2-If you don't want your criminal record becoming public, don't commit crimes. There are thousands, if not millions of people whose mug shots are on the internet, but you think that Victoria should be granted special immunity from that just because you are obsessed with her? She was collared on a DUI, if she had run over and killed one of your family members that night, would you still be crying foul at her being treated like ANY OTHER PERP OF A DUI?!!!?!? She could have killed someone, but she shouldn't be held accountable because she is your creepy obsession and was once the victim of violence? Are you nuts?
After reading your post for the first time a few days ago, just for info-seeking purposes, i checked multiple Florida county clerk offices and she has been arrested at LEAST 4 times since this incident, once for assaulting Talisa and Kelsy, once for assaulting the girl she was in a relationship with, once for possesion of marijuana and once for dui. She also sued her own parents, not sure what about. This is all public record, check for yourself. Oh yes lads, she is just the picture of perfection. I was the victim of unspeakable violence at one time in my life, so I take it upon myself to have empathy when I am angry and not victimize others because i know how it feels, it would seem that Victoria hasn't bothered to go through that kind of self-reflection. I can't speak to her facebook because I cant find it, but I would wager that the girls were telling the truth about the fact that VL probably tried to fight all of them at one point from behind her screen, got called out on it and (unfairly) confronted and hit by these girls. Now she hasn't learned from it because of people like you telling her she can do no wrong because she is a victim, and everythign she does can be blamed on that, and is victimizing others, including those who love her. I honestly don't feel one way or another about this girl, I feel bad about what happened to her, it shouldn't have happened at all, but the reality is that you do not know her to judge others for their opinion. Asking someone to be ashamed for posting a FACT to counter your f#(%ing CRAZY talk, is akin to censorship. If you are so scared of facts, head down to your local nuthouse where the convos will be more your speed.

[PTOMOM]

Oh my goodness, THANK YOU!!! Every word you just said is exactly right, but, I didn't even try to say it because I honestly didn't think this guy would even comprehend any of it. I think we have a true, genuine mental situation going on.

[Fed Up]

PTOMOM- Robert Stevens/David Stein is an egomaniac and a wannabe intellectual who, when confronted with point that can't be argued, resorts to defensive posturing such as "it appears from your post you are getting defensive/that you feel guilt/that you are becoming angry.." Myself and many others stopped posting here because it became more of a clique of crazies (minus AmyV of course ;)) than a place to have discussions, which is what a forum should be. This should not be disguised as a conversational forum to discuss a new story, it should be clearly labelled as a place where creepy old men go to obsess over a pretty girl who got murdered. Robert/David is extremely patronizing to women, clear from his portrayal of Tori as a damsel in distress who needs his guidance and wisdom to save her from her self. And his...past life regression therapy? LOL, you crazy old perve, she is a grown woman, if she wants to find out what her damn spirit animal is, I'm sure she will go find out herself. Offering to fly her there, pay for her time and pay for the costs smacks of a dirty, depraved perve with a dungeon in the cellar and a Tori shrine taking over his closet. If you are, indeed, David Stein, I find that absolutely hilarious based on things you have previously "admonished" me for in the beginning. What a holier-than-thou loser, to solicit an 18 year old to come get free PLRT (aka a wedding in the aforementioned cellar dungeon), but to constantly represent yourself as the morally 'higher' person of any given argument. Robert/David, do you often find that forums start to dissipate when you enter the picture? I wouldn't be surprised, you are insufferable, and you have lost your darn mind. Your posts sound like the mutterings of a mental patient, and half of the time when i actually read them in case there is something important (there never is btw) i end up giving up halfway through because they are dry as heck to anyone who doesn't spend their entire life on the internet googling all the stupid crap you talk about.
So there you go, go ahead and create one of your famous rebuttals where you type and type and type and type and type, yet say nothing worth reading. I'm aware that you will read this and try to find ways to make yourself feel better than me, but don't waste your time, I'm here once every few months at the most and I actually have something called a social life, your opinions mean absolutely nothing. Less than nothing, because you are a stranger from another country who I regard as an utterly moronic caveman with seriously odd issues toward women, and nothign interesting to say.

[Fed Up]

***sorry, VL was beaten, not murdered. my mistake

[Robert Stevens]

You could be fed up all you want. i will not permit these false claims to be unanswered. When Victoria Lindsay appeared a model with the initials A.D diapered. And by all means you should be ashamed of yourself for posting what you post on this tread.

I know you're trying to sell your system. It's wrong. You know it. Now you try to make up a poster child for sympathy being a crime victim. You try to turn the assaulters into lovable people. What's next? Patrick lindsay was a child abuser. This is what caused Victoria to become violent. We'll give all of America sensitivity training. You could have it.

So you'll fool a lot of people with this, but I and others will know the hoax. Even if you were correct. There is no need for media to follow Victoria Lindsay, AND it was the Lindsay Family that did call off the media dogs.

[Robert Stevens]

Fed Up wrote:

***sorry, VL was beaten, not murdered. my mistake

Who cares what a hater says. Nothing you say is true period.

[Robert Stevens]

For those that did follow this case know. When Gloria Allred arrived she did take this over. I hope she reviews the people she deligated this responcibility to. i refuse to sit by quietly while they do the voodoo they are trying to do. I don't know what the participants got out of this for this sharade to go on, but I assure them the end results of their goal stinks.

I hope the people involved do reclaim their identities, and the models stop and see what they are supporting. The program these people put together is brought to you by NAMBLA. A model with the initials A.D posing as Victoria Lindsay becoming the poster model ( Figuratively and Literally ) for sensitivety in the 21st century. Maybe you all may wish to seek what is institutionalized sensitivity. And not just on paper.

[PTOMOM]

oh my goodness.....I only saw this thread recently and obviously, I am not going to take the time to read 11,000 previous posts, so I'm sure I've missed a few points, but, nothing you say seems to make any sense. I'm not trying to be mean, but, you seem to really need some help, which is why I'm not even going to try and argue with you or ask you what on earth it is you ARE talking about because I'm sure you would respond with more incoherant rambling.

Fedup, are you male or female?

[Robert Stevens]

PTOMOM wrote:

oh my goodness.....I only saw this thread recently and obviously, I am not going to take the time to read 11,000 previous posts, so I'm sure I've missed a few points, but, nothing you say seems to make any sense. I'm not trying to be mean, but, you seem to really need some help, which is why I'm not even going to try and argue with you or ask you what on earth it is you ARE talking about because I'm sure you would respond with more incoherant rambling.
Fedup, are you male or female?

Too bad, because you would see I pointed out these were models a long time ago. There was no way Patrick Lindsay, who made the anti-social networking pages comments would have 16 year old daughter posting bikini photos on myspace. The friends range is a sure thing Victoria Lindsay on Facebook is not real.

I love it I post positive things about these people and defend them, and I am the creep not the hater that post she's been arrested 4 times. I know who you are, and you are a creep.

[PTOMOM]

I never said a word about her Facebook page. I didn't even look to see if she had one, but, I highly doubt her father is a man that would care one way or another if she had bikini clad photos. The only thing I said was that she had been arrested after her altercation, which is 100% true. And the only reason I brought it up was because you were going on and on about how successful she is. She has indeed been arrested multiple times. That is not gossip nor is it rumors. It's simpl a fact and "successful" people don't get arrested 4 times by the age of 21.

Why are you so hung up on portraying this girl as a saint? Why do ou care so much and why are you in denial about things about her that are true?

Also, what are these models you keep talking about?

[Robert Stevens]

PTOMOM wrote:

I never said a word about her Facebook page. I didn't even look to see if she had one, but, I highly doubt her father is a man that would care one way or another if she had bikini clad photos. The only thing I said was that she had been arrested after her altercation, which is 100% true. And the only reason I brought it up was because you were going on and on about how successful she is. She has indeed been arrested multiple times. That is not gossip nor is it rumors. It's simpl a fact and "successful" people don't get arrested 4 times by the age of 21.
Why are you so hung up on portraying this girl as a saint? Why do ou care so much and why are you in denial about things about her that are true?
Also, what are these models you keep talking about?

She's not a saint she is a private citizen that has no duty to have her true identity known.While i do understand and even respect the razzle dazzle of switching the participants with models/actresses, that I am sure were approved by the participants. I just don't like the show Mrs D, puts on for us. I find the goal obvious, and I don't like the goal. I think it is possible some involved are just ignorant of what they are representing. In fact even some that are amongst the court system's game do see themselves as noble but I disagree completely with that. This is the start of a debate towards lenancy upon violent criminals. It is the defence of behavior being understandable as a habit. it is all ready in place. Ric Ricland and/or David Stein which i consider the same person. is an advocate to the exceptance of violence. This is his presentation.

Ok let's assume I am jumping way out of what is going on. Regardless. There is no reason to talk of Victoria in public forum in an ill manor. If you did follow the Lindsay story it was a quest to going back to being private citizens. Even if that was really her, and those were really her actions. She should be treated no differently from anyone else. She deserves to be treated as a private citizen, not a spokesperson of any sort.

[PTOMOM]

You're crazy and I hope you get the help you so desperately need.

[Robert Stevens]

PTOMOM wrote:

You're crazy and I hope you get the help you so desperately need.

Says a person that with unknown reason wants to denounce Victoria Lindsay. But you're not that sort of wicked, perhaps your wickedness is more respectable, but you'd claim otherwise. The photo you see online are those of a model Mrs D. I just don't like promoting her.

[Robert Stevens]

To whatever you are logging in as now. I noticed this campaign did not go well at youtube. I'd like to take credit but as you know, it's not me. Although the others have not annalyzed to the degree I have, they do see the fault of what you are attempting. It has never set well. I believe you only go no due to your ego. Perhaps those that have slanged you down at youtube did see a different fault that i am yet to recognize and vice versa.

Your style is condescending and creates question. Wouldn't it be odd if you do actually offer something good and moral, but it is your lack of manners and respect for others. I find this standard with people that push what you are pushing.

[Phil]

LOMFAO

[PTOMOM]

Pretty crazy, isn't it?