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#68 Oct 23, 2007
Wearing bullet proof vest & having stash of fire arms reminds me of assorted terrorist crimes over the years; sounds like the kid was preparing for a columbine-type incident. Life Skills Center...isn't that the last chance a child-aged loser has before the educational system faces facts and 'leaves the child behind'?
#69 Oct 23, 2007
Taser gun was equally as legal for him to carry but still doesn't make it a right thing to bring on SCHOOL grounds.
#70 Oct 23, 2007
No YOU ARE WRONG! A taser gun is not always legal and it sure IS NOT legal to bring on school grounds. http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/poss...
#71 Oct 24, 2007
Jim I believe you are missing my point completely and so we don't we just agree to disagree on this subject.
#72 Oct 24, 2007
#73 Oct 28, 2007
i agree they had no right to search his house, but he did have pepper spray in his car on school property which is illegal
#74 Oct 31, 2007
Here is what am having a problem with:
1) Since when is wearing a bullet proof vest considered "armed trespass"?
2) I note the police are not saying where in the car the chemical spray was found i.e. trunk? And, chemical spray includes "mace" and "pepper spray" sold at most convenience stores in Florida.
3) According to your article, the "road" was the explosive device. But then, firecrackers can be considered "explosive devices".
4) As for the newspaper rack, the video barely rises to possession of stolen property, not theft i.e. it was there and they shot it.
5) What exactly is "criminal mischief"? My brothers and I use to regularly go target shooting.
6) As for shooting his friend with the Taser, it looked to be by consent. Where is exactly the crime?
7) A $600K bond seems very excessive.
#75 Oct 31, 2007
I agree with you pcoombs... we used to be taught how to shoot guns when we were young as well. But they WERE NOT AKA 47's and assault weapons. I see no reason a child of 17 or 18 should possess these type of weapons. And then video tape themselves driving 90 miles an hour on their way to destroy anything and everything that they can. Thankfully, the only thing that " got in their way" was a paper machine. I agree... most of the items he did possess were not "illegal". But with all the school shootings that have plagued our schools in the last few years.... it is hard to determine who the good kids with assault rifles are and who the bad kids are. So in my eyes... an AKA 47 assault rifle should only be possessed by the US Army or other trained personnel. They have no business being on the street with kids gaining access to them. I wouldn't even know where to go to buy one of these things... but I'm sure it wasn't obtained "illegally"......
#76 Oct 31, 2007
Here's a couple of additional things to realize:
-- The AK47 is the most popular firearm in the world.$195 to $249 at most gun stores. Last I checked there were over 2 million registered AK-47's in the US alone.
-- The teen was 18 and legally had the right to purchase and have in his possession the firearms. I note nowhere in all the press is there a mention of "firearm violations".
-- Several commentaries say that he had the Taser on school property. Incorrect. The only item found on the school grounds was the "bullet proof vest". I had to re-read the article, but it never says the car was on school property only that "chemical spray" was found in the vehicle.
-- To fltaz23, there is no where that anyone says or shows that they were "driving 90 MPH on their way to destroy anything and everything that they can." That is pure speculation and not supported by facts.
-- As for other school shootings, that is placing the assumption of guilt on this young man and ignores that what has been shown is a lack of judgement and not criminal intent.
As for what needs to happen, the young man needs to get a good attorney and someone needs to set a more reasonable bail.$600K is bluntly ridiculous.
#77 Oct 31, 2007
your story on this boy, well, it is tainted.
you say they set off something with a DETONATOR. that "explosive" as you saw it, is something totally legal, and is a binary explosive, which is completely legal EXCEPT when it is transported in a mixed state, or placed in anything that may cause or displace any kind of fragmentations. it is called tannerite.com and is a common "binary explosive" that is just like fireworks, for the most part, except it is set off (In that video it is detonated at TOO close range to be safe) with a high powered rifle round or other high-speed impact. it is 100% legal in every state of the union.
also, I have noticed that those kids have several different AKM firearms. they are also totally legal to own and possess, and I do appreciate you all not going to town on those guns as being EVIL.
if you are UNSTABLE. YOU CANT HAVE A GUN. IT IS THE LAW.
what that punishment is? well, let the doctors decide. dont ruin me based on their actions or deeds, thank you.
I moved to this great state to get away from this mentality. I pay close attention to see if you all really mean what you say and put to law.
what do I do when I am home invaded with 5 guys in body armor, by the way? shoot back with FMJ? why are the criminals protected in this state STILL, and I cannot down my opponents if I must? I was allowed to back home in NY, and we do not even have a castle doctorine, or ammunition laws preventing AP ammo or tracers or the like, which I would need in the case of a home invasion????
I just dumped crooked hillary. I dont want to be told what to do anymore with my rights, that are CLEARLY and LEDGIBLY defined in congressional and state laws/constitutions....
#78 Nov 1, 2007
Have you seen his face? Certainly not an innocent boy's face. And his Father says he is the nicest boy around, just don't let him around other school classmates.
#79 Nov 5, 2007
To BVamp & Rod,
You are demonstrating to me two very basic laws regarding American society.
1) Ignorance breeds ignorance.
2) Freedom of speech is the surest way that ignorance can be demonstrated.
In my humble opinion, you lost on one very basic point. You never addressed what was being said and assume points that are demonstratively wrong.
If you wish to engage in an adult discussion, please do. I would suggest first you learn that diatribe and personal prejudice are not an appropriate response to such forums.
In regard to Polk County, Florida and Lakeland in particular ... As a teenager, I grew up in Central Florida and am all to familar with how the Polk County Sheriff's department has operated. Members of the Sheriff's Department outright referred to several of friends and family as PWT and often much worse.
On more than one occassion, I can remember being "detained" overnight, because they felt I was acting suspicious. Let's see if I have what the suspicious activities were:
-- walking from the parking lot to the civic center to attend a concert.
-- swimming in a private lake (owned by a friend's family and with their full permission).
-- crossing the highway (that included having a twelve guage shotgun put upside the head and dared to move). I was 14 in cutoff shorts, T-shirt and flip flops on a hot Summer afternoon.
-- A drunk driver hit one of my brothers while he was riding a bike. The drunk driver was sent home and Donnie and I spent two nights in jail.
In all those incidents, we were never charged with anything. Often in the late 70's, they never called our families and just detained us. Then, let us out at their leisure. No explanation, no apology.
So, do I have a prejudice against Polk County. Absolutely. I still have friends in the area. They assure me life is the same as ever with the Polk County Sheriff's Department.
#80 Nov 12, 2007
Yet any weapon that is or can potentially be used by the US military is legal for any adult to buy or use. 2nd Amendment?
Courts have repeatedly ruled that, and the government has repeatedly ignored those rulings.
#81 Nov 16, 2007
I believe children have the right to wear bullet proof vests to school, look at all the school shootings, it will save lives, did you think about this or are you just that stupid and ignorant?
#82 Jan 6, 2008
i used to wear a bulletproof vest to school every day wear i live it beats getting killed walking home from school like dude jim said it ant a weapon it legial iont think dere an age on buying dem i got mine frm a pawnshop wen i was 15 i paid 375 for it i neva got in trouble 4 wearing it most days i jus wore a undershirt in it on top off it all day my teachers saw it all day i jus graduated last year mabe dey new dat dis kid was not stable n was tryna get a reason 2 call da police on him
#83 Jan 18, 2008
Great to see that you got all you could out of your "Edjukayshon" Gee. No wonder we've become a second rate country.
#84 Jan 18, 2008
Convicted Felon need not apply:
Yes rogue any American Citizen can own a *Full-Auto Weapon* After they fill out a rather long form from the ATF, plus Finger Print cards(2) one goes to the FBI and one to the DOD and send in $200 dollars the ATF will after all of that either Approve or Deny your request it take as short of time as 6 months most of the time it is longer, if they approve it they send you a Tax Stamp and you have a set amount of days to buy a Class 3 firearm.
And no you do not need a FFL but if you do you can buy for your own USE a class 3 firearm after you fill out a type 4 form and send in $200 dollars, plus the long wait for the ATF to come to your place of Business and re-look over your Safe where you keep it you must have it reg to a Address ie like the Gun shop and most of the time you have to let All Law Enforcement know In Writing that you have it, and some times a Sheriff of the County must Approve you, this does not include if you travel from One County to another or travel from one state and drive thru how ever many states you need to, to get to where ever you want to go and carry it with you. Does it sound like a lot of trouble? Well the Bad Guys follow none of these rules go figure I don't know why.
And yes anyone whom is NOT a Convicted Felon can buy and or wear a Bullet(proof)resistant Vest, But if you have it on or it is in your possession you can and will be charge if it is Involved in the commission of a crime.
There is a Long List of rule you must follow these are just a few short answers.
Hope this helps answer a few questions.
#85 Jan 18, 2008
My personal view is that Law Enforcement stopped something from getting out of hand.
My hat off to School folks and Police.
~~~~~~~~~~ But here is another view.
""Officers also found a chemical spray in his car""
Ok and that is Legal in the State Of Florida.
Just how many people Men and Women have any size can of Pepper Spray in their Car or truck? I have seen women have them in there Purse or on Key chains, surely they are not criminals. And he is 18 YOA.
Last time I checked your Home is just that, Your castle and you still have the 4th and 5th amendment.
So they wrote up a blanket search Warrant or asked permission from Him or anyone who resides in the house to search it.
How many folks would want the Police or Sheriff ie Law-Enforcement searching your house or belonging now remember they can and will search everywhere some folks might have alot embarrassment if you know what I mean.
Bedrooms might uncover some things that you might not want your neighbors to know you do or use. Think about it.
And if they search your computer with forsice software there is no telling what kind of trash they will find, and remember just because you thought you Deleted a website,photo, joke even if you did not put it on there, it came with a virus and took over and sent you to a PORN Site of any kind ie little kids or animals or some other kind of freaky place, guess what it's yours.
Now try and tell that to a Judge or Jury that you did not know about it.
I have seen it happen and watched it play out in a Court Of Law.
Not me but someone else who was a pillar of the community and church lady.
It looked bad but she did not know, it all came from a simple email and then it went to Hell in a handbasket, oh but the adult stuff in her room it was hers.
Now she has to see all of her friend and people in the town.
I felt sorry for her. All from a Innocent Search Warrant,ie Request
to search her house.
But hey I ask all the time if I can search. So I see both sides of the puzzle.
The Law is for everyone, not just a few.
#86 Feb 3, 2008
If one bad apple affects us all and takes our rights away to own guns maybe you people need to move to a country with no guns. In the state of florida all you need to aquire a Ak-47 in $425 dollars. You don't need to keep taking our guns away you should rather find an alternative way of fixing this on going problem like allowing people with concealed weapons licences to carry on school property. That way if some nut with a gun is in the school the teachers can actually protect our children by dealing with the problem accordingly.
#87 Mar 8, 2008
Amen. Kevlar vests are most certainly not illegal haha...
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