Feral cats slated for capture

Feral cats slated for capture

There are 12 comments on the Polk County Democrat story from Dec 10, 2011, titled Feral cats slated for capture. In it, Polk County Democrat reports that:

PHOTO PROVIDED A feral cat looks out from the bushes in Saddle Creek Park. About 80 cats live in the park which violates a county ordinance.

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Further Help

Pipestone, MN

#1 Dec 12, 2011
Be cautious about suggesting that any cats rounded-up from outdoors be used for adoption or you could be held criminally responsible. There's no way to know their vaccination history, if any, nor their exposure to all the deadly diseases cats carry. If a cat has contracted rabies then a vaccination against it later will do no good. It's already too late. There's also no reliable known test for rabies while keeping the animal alive. They really need to be destroyed after they are trapped. It's the only sane and sensible solution. This is precisely why all wild-harvested animals in the world, of any type intended for the pet-industry, must undergo an extended quarantine period of up to 6 months before transfer or sale of those animals to prevent just these things. Cats are no different than any other animal when harvested from the wild. You're just risking this following story happening in every shelter across the land.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/09/23/2...

Adopting any cat that's been taken from outdoors is just playing Russian Roulette.

I found some surprising things about all the diseases these invasive-species vermin are now spreading throughout the USA.

These are just the diseases cats spread to humans, not counting the ones they spread to all wildlife and even other cat species. They include: Campylobacter Infection, Cat Scratch Disease, Coxiella burnetti Infection (Q fever), Cryptosporidium Infection, Dipylidium Infection (tapeworm), Hookworm Infection, Leptospira Infection, Plague, Rabies, Ringworm, Salmonella Infection, Toxocara Infection, Toxoplasma.[Centers for Disease Control, July 2010] Flea-borne Typhus and Tularemia can now also be added to that list.
Further Help

Pipestone, MN

#2 Dec 12, 2011
TNR-Advocates "Vacuum Effect" is an absolute 100% LIE -- The Deadly Cat-Attractor Equation

There's an interesting study done by the Texas A&M University on TNR practices. They started out with about 12 sterilized cats. At the end of 9 months they had over 30. An increase of more than 200%, all moved in of their own volition. This isn't due to any mythical "vacuum effect" that cat-advocates spread and lie about so often. For that to have happened you would have had to remove cats to create a vacuum for others to replace them. The exact opposite happened in this study.

Simple reason being: CATS ATTRACT CATS

Cat scents attract cats. This is why they spray everything, to attract mates and rivals and mark territory. Cat sounds attract cats. Mewing kittens will even attract stray toms who will kill the kittens if they are not their own (basic feline behavior of any cat species).

If you want more cats, keep some around. More will find you. Get rid of them all and there's no reason for other cats to come to that area. I proved this myself by getting rid of every last cat on my own land. ZERO cats moved in to replace them.

Another interesting finding, sterilized cats do not defend their territory. Any new cats see this as easy-pickings and move in to take over. If that cat-colony is being fed then non-sterilized cats will actually overtake the sterilized colony's food-source because the non-sterilized cats are not as docile and complacent.

The DEADLY Cat-Attractor Equation

Another fun kicker. Cats' Toxoplasma gondii parasite they spread through their feces is meant to infect rodents. This cat-parasite alters the mind of any animal it infests (even humans). Any rodents infected lose their fear of cats and are attracted to cat urine. http://scitizen.com/neuroscience/parasite-hij... Not only do cats attract more cats, but they also attract more rodents to the area with their slew of flea-borne and other rodent diseases. If cats eat rodents then they contract those rodent diseases to spread those diseases to humans. The attractor-equation is not just CATS = CATS + CATS, it's actually CATS = CATS + CATS + RODENTS + DISEASES.

TNR IS 100% FAILURE -- no matter which way you try to spin that sorry hole-filled story.

ANY cat -- stray, feral, sterilized, or fertile -- is just a magnetic "seed cat". No matter how they are there or in what state of reproductive-viability that they are in, you'll attract and grow more of them. Even worse -- then you attract cat-advocates that want to turn your life into a living hell too. They're all part of the same life-destroying equation.

The FULL cat-attractor equation is actually: CATS = CATS + CATS + RODENTS + DISEASES + LIFE-DESTROYING CAT-ADVOCATES.

This is why you MUST destroy all cats on your land. So cat-advocates will never be able to control or rule your life ever again. It's THAT simple.

I did it on my land. Now it's YOUR turn.
Further Help

Pipestone, MN

#3 Dec 12, 2011
Here's a little information to help you understand the behaviors of "cat-lovers" and their cats. Something I discovered when local "cat-lovers" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) were using cats to overtake my land and woods, eventually even by moving my property markers when using their cats had failed -- failed because I got the legal go-ahead to shoot them all on my land.(An expensive many $1000s lesson for these property-thieves, surveyors are not cheap.) I often wondered why they kept releasing new cats onto my land even long AFTER they already knew that all their cats were being shot to death, they were told this is what was going to happen, and was happening. They didn't care about cats AT ALL! Clearly something else was motivating these people. How many so-called "cat-lovers" do you know that keep releasing cats and letting them roam free even after seeing many of them become road-kill, harmed by cat and animal attacks, die of diseases, killed by poisonous plants or animals they encounter outdoors, etc.?(Like every last TNR-advocate for starters.) They don't care about cats, not in the least!

Now you'll know exactly why cat-lovers do what they do. It really has nothing at all to do with their concern for cats, nor even the lives of anyone nor anything else, quite the opposite.

Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy

I have come to the inexorable conclusion that the vast majority of "cat-lovers" and cat-owners that let their destructive invasive-species roam free, and especially those that defend the rights of feral cats to overtake private and public property and wildlife areas, are only (cowardly) using cats as a proxy for their OWN territorial behavior. Not unlike uneducated inner-city youth that will disrespectfully and inconsiderately use loud music to stake-out a territory for themselves. Whether this behavior is done consciously or subconsciously, the underlying motive is the same. As long as they can have one of their cats defecate in another's yard or destroy their property, animals, and wildlife; and the land-owner not have any recourse; the cat-owner/caretaker owns that territory. It's time to put a stop to them using their "cute kitty" excuse for usurping and stealing others' property. If they want territory they can damn well buy it just like anyone else. Instead they're using underhanded, disrespectful, and manipulative means. By putting (and sacrificing) live animals in the path of their envy and greed. "Cat-lovers" only really want your yard, garden, or forest while making all others and all other animals suffer for what they can't have nor own. Bottom line--they want to control you and your property. That's _ALL_ that "cat-lovers" are really after. It's why they don't care at all if their cat nor any other animals, nor even other humans, get harmed by their goals and (lack of) values in life.

Property owners: Start charging "Cat-Recreation Land-Use Fees" to all cat-owners that use your land. I suggest a fee of $10,000 per day per cat. You have the right to charge any amount you want for someone using your land for any purpose. If they can't pay then you get to legally own their property from debts incurred, just like they have stolen your property illegally with their cats.

There's an interesting news report about a community in Florida recently where cat-advocates are trying to get a court to allow them to use a local shopping-center where they can keep their cats (to act as speed-bumps and car-accidents waiting to happen I presume). We can now add "Shopping Centers" to the kinds of property they want to steal and control. It never ends with them! Destroy all cats before they and their advocates can and WILL destroy you.

They can't be stopped from their behavior. They psychotically believe they are doing "god's work" for themselves. So you must destroy their cats. It's the ONLY solution.
Norby

Lake Wales, FL

#4 Dec 12, 2011
Further Help wrote:
Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy
I have come to the inexorable conclusion that the vast majority of "cat-lovers" and cat-owners that let their destructive invasive-species roam free, and especially those that defend the rights of feral cats to overtake private and public property and wildlife areas, are only (cowardly) using cats as a proxy for their OWN territorial behavior. Not unlike uneducated inner-city youth that will disrespectfully and inconsiderately use loud music to stake-out a territory for themselves. Whether this behavior is done consciously or subconsciously, the underlying motive is the same. As long as they can have one of their cats defecate in another's yard or destroy their property, animals, and wildlife; and the land-owner not have any recourse; the cat-owner/caretaker owns that territory. It's time to put a stop to them using their "cute kitty" excuse for usurping and stealing others' property. If they want territory they can damn well buy it just like anyone else. Instead they're using underhanded, disrespectful, and manipulative means. By putting (and sacrificing) live animals in the path of their envy and greed. "Cat-lovers" only really want your yard, garden, or forest while making all others and all other animals suffer for what they can't have nor own. Bottom line--they want to control you and your property. That's _ALL_ that "cat-lovers" are really after. It's why they don't care at all if their cat nor any other animals, nor even other humans, get harmed by their goals and (lack of) values in life.
Property owners: Start charging "Cat-Recreation Land-Use Fees" to all cat-owners that use your land. I suggest a fee of $10,000 per day per cat. You have the right to charge any amount you want for someone using your land for any purpose. If they can't pay then you get to legally own their property from debts incurred, just like they have stolen your property illegally with their cats.
There's an interesting news report about a community in Florida recently where cat-advocates are trying to get a court to allow them to use a local shopping-center where they can keep their cats (to act as speed-bumps and car-accidents waiting to happen I presume). We can now add "Shopping Centers" to the kinds of property they want to steal and control. It never ends with them! Destroy all cats before they and their advocates can and WILL destroy you.
They can't be stopped from their behavior. They psychotically believe they are doing "god's work" for themselves. So you must destroy their cats. It's the ONLY solution.
You are freaking nuts! Get some mental help before you go over the edge and start shooting humans.
Further Help

Pipestone, MN

#5 Dec 12, 2011
Norby wrote:
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You are freaking nuts! Get some mental help before you go over the edge and start shooting humans.
Psychotics like you often react just as you do when having to confront reality and the underlying truth of their own behavior for the first time.

The general rule-of-thumb in the USA is that if your land is in an area zoned for agricultural or livestock use then it is perfectly legal to destroy any animal, someone's pet or not, that is threatening the well-being and safety of your own animals or family. The only animals exempt from you taking immediate action, legally, are those listed on endangered or threatened species lists, and any bird species under protection of MBTA (the Migratory Bird Treaty Act). Even then variances can be given should there be sufficient problem but this requires further study by authorities. Since cats are listed in the top 100 WORST invasive-species of the world in the "Global Invasive Species Database", this means they have no protection whatsoever from being shot on sight. And in fact, if your area enforces and obeys invasive-species laws -- as they should -- then it is against the law to NOT destroy any cat on sight, someone's pet or not. It is your civic and moral responsibility to destroy any invasive-species that is found away from safe confinement and roaming freely in a non-native habitat.

A cat-owner that releases their cat in an area zoned for any form of livestock or agricultural use has no legal grounds to sue anyone if their cat is shot. Even if the shooter walks up to the door of the ex-cat-owner and hands their dead cat back to them, saying, "I shot your cat, here it is! Better luck next time!" Though local law-enforcement frowns on this because the criminally-irresponsible ex-cat-owner will just raise a stink with law-enforcement, wasting their time when they have more important things to do than explain to and coddle an idiot. Hence the popular "SSS Cat Management Program" (Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-Up) method to save your gendarmes the further hassle by the ex-cat-owning trouble-makers.

In fact, here's a publication from a study done by the University of Nebraska on the best ways to HUMANELY deal with a feral-cat problem wherever you live. This documentation INCLUDES the best firearms, ammo, and air-rifles required to HUMANELY destroy cats. http://deenawinter.files.wordpress.com/2010/1...

Besides, what difference does it make if the cat gets shot or ran over by a car, attacked by another cat or animal, drowned, or poisoned by plants animals or chemicals? The result is the same. The cause is the same -- the fault of the criminally irresponsible pet-owner that let that invasive-species pet roam free. It only means they really didn't care about that cat at all so nobody else should either.

When flying over the USA on a clear day, look down. Then you'll see that vast coast-to-coast patchwork-quilt of farms and ranches where it's legal to shoot or poison every last cat.

(Though poison is frowned upon, because once released into the environment, it goes on to harm anything that comes in contact with it. It cannot be easily retrieved from nature once it's done its job. This is why shooting, or trapping and drowning, all excess and stray cats is the preferred method.)
Further Help

Pipestone, MN

#6 Dec 12, 2011
Norby wrote:
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You are freaking nuts! Get some mental help before you go over the edge and start shooting humans.
This must be just like all those deeply disturbed serial-killers in the making that are eradicating all those other invasive-species that are destroying every habitat they are found in. Like Kudzu, Purple-Loosestrife, Gypsy Moths, Emerald Ash-Borers, African Cichlids, Burmese Pythons, Brown Tree Snakes, and Eurasian Watermilfoil. Removing them from their lands and lakes by DESTROYING THEM ON-SITE. And many of those invasive-species are caused from escaped but dearly-loved pets and their habitats! Oh my!

Or how about all those sickos that run animal-shelters, they're nothing but a bunch of child-murdering pedophiles because they have to euthanize animals every day. And every farmer and rancher that has to humanely put down an animal with a gun must be molesting and murdering everything in their county. Those damned sickos! And what about all those people in stockyards murdering all those cattle for your McBurgers every day? I bet they're a hide-out for all the serial-killers that nobody can find! And all those hunters that provide food for their family by hunting, I bet they're the worst of all!

I bet you're onto something!

Like your needing serious psychological help.

Are you starting to wake-up from your psychotic delusions yet? Just a little bit? Probably not. Your kind love nothing better than to wallow in an immense bliss borne of self-inflicted ignorance all your sorry life. Forever insulating and isolating yourself away from your own reality -- making yourself psychotic.
Party Pete

United States

#7 Dec 12, 2011
Well I believe that anyone who owns a cat should keep them indoors. I have problems with my neighbors cats crapping in our yard and walking on our vehicles. I feel that anybody who owns a cat and let's it roam free has NO respect whatsoever for his neighbors property or belongings.
Norby

Lakeland, FL

#8 Dec 12, 2011
Further Help wrote:
Psychotics like you often react just as you do when having to confront reality and the underlying truth of their own behavior for the first time.
LMAO! Confront the reality of what? Your nonsensical BS?
Further Help wrote:
As long as they can have one of their cats defecate in another's yard or destroy their property, animals, and wildlife; and the land-owner not have any recourse; the cat-owner/caretaker owns that territory. It's time to put a stop to them using their "cute kitty" excuse for usurping and stealing others' property.
So if a cat craps in your yard, it's really the cat's owner stealing your property? And I'm the Psychotic? LOL

I don't have a cat. However I do feed wild birds. If a bird that I fed craps on your car does that mean I'm trying to steal your car? Or is it only cat feces that defines ownership?

I'd love to stay and chat with you, but that would make me an utter fool. Seriously, your rants are disturbingly bizarre. Please consider seeking professional help.
Reality for the Psychotic

Pipestone, MN

#9 Dec 12, 2011
Norby wrote:
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LMAO! Confront the reality of what? Your nonsensical BS?
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So if a cat craps in your yard, it's really the cat's owner stealing your property? And I'm the Psychotic? LOL
I don't have a cat. However I do feed wild birds. If a bird that I fed craps on your car does that mean I'm trying to steal your car? Or is it only cat feces that defines ownership?
I'd love to stay and chat with you, but that would make me an utter fool. Seriously, your rants are disturbingly bizarre. Please consider seeking professional help.
An illogical comparison. You don't need to feed those birds and they'll get along just fine without you. They are an indigenous part of nature and nobody owns them. Stop feeding those human-engineered invasive-species domesticated cats and watch what happens. If you need to provide sustenance for that animal then you own that animal. If you own that animal, then any land that you let it roam on you effectively own that land too. If you had 20 dogs and put them in your neighbor's yard and the neighbor has no legal recourse to remove them from his yard, who then is really owning that yard? If you put 100 head of cattle in your neighbor's yard without their permission, who then owns that yard? There are laws against letting a rancher's animals graze on others' property. If you built a building in your neighbor's yard, who then owns that yard? If you are making use of someone else's property for YOUR OWN PURPOSES then you have effectively stolen that property from them.

If you want to feed YOUR cats then by all means do so! ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND ONLY YOUR OWN PROPERTY. Keep YOUR CATS confined to YOUR PROPERTY and there will be no debate, no problem, no laws have been broken.

And therein lies the problem. Sociopaths (have no concept of right and wrong) and psychopaths like you who try to twist your way out of your responsibility from your illegal and criminal actions and the destruction you have caused to all others and all other animals with your behavior. A life-sentence in prison is too good for people like you.
Reality For Psychotics

Pipestone, MN

#10 Dec 12, 2011
Some further information to help you do the RIGHT thing. ALL the required laws that you need to deal with this problem are already in place and have been for decades most everywhere.

Cats listed in THE TOP 100 WORST INVASIVE-SPECIES OF THE WORLD in the "Global Invasive-Species Database": http://www.issg.org/database/species/ecology....

Cats are _NOT_ exempt from invasive-species laws.

IT IS YOUR CIVIC AND MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO DESTROY ANY INVASIVE-SPECIES WHEN FOUND AWAY FROM SAFE CONFINEMENT AND OUT IN A NON-NATIVE HABITAT. In fact, it is against the law to NOT destroy an invasive-species on-site. Since cats are genetically engineered through selective-breeding and no longer have ANY native habitat ANYWHERE on earth, these laws include cats. This is precisely how they are dealt with on my own land, destroyed by using any and all humane methods**(see note). You also CANNOT make any distinction between stray and feral cats. STRAY CATS ARE THE VERY SOURCE OF FERAL CATS. If you don't destroy the source as well you'll never be rid of feral cats. They are BOTH the very same destructive, wildlife-destroying, deadly-disease spreading, INVASIVE SPECIES. NEITHER HAS ANY RIGHT TO BE AWAY FROM SUPERVISED CONFINEMENT.

For an example of how invasive-species laws are properly followed and enforced: It is highly illegal for a person to transport an African Cichlid fish species to just the other side the road if you catch one in the canals of the Everglades when fishing. THEY MUST BE DESTROYED ON-SITE. Yet Cichlids are often kept as pets, that's how they wrongly got into the canals to begin with. There are hefty fines in place for anyone found transporting these invasive-species alive if caught in the wild.(Interestingly, these Cichlids are FAR FAR LESS damaging to the environment and all other native wildlife than ANY cat.)

All of this much to the dismay of criminally irresponsible and psychotic cat-lovers who are desperately trying to raise these invasive-species cats to some absurd level of "Community Cats". If they do that then just raise "Community Pet Piranha" and release them in all your lakes and pools, or "Community Pet Black-Mambas" and release them in all your backyards and parks, then claim the exact same protections for them as cat-advocates want for their invasive-species cats. It'd only be fair! Are you starting to see just how absurd and ludicrous these cat-advocates are yet?

**(Though to be perfectly honest, considering how cats cruelly torture and destroy all other animals by ripping the skins off of live animals or disemboweling them for slowly dying and twitching cats' play-toys (not even using them for food), I'm not sure why cats should be given the privilege of a humane death. I've been drawn to many animal screams in my woods to find their cats shredding another animal to death; which I had to then quickly put that animal out of its misery, torment, and suffering caused by that cat. Lucky for those I found so fast from their screams. Other wildlife that I'd find days later had died a slow and agonizing death from wounds after being shredded by their cats. I guess I'm just more humane than all cat-lovers and their cats, that's why their cats get shot and die instantly on my land instead of equitably and justifiably tortured to death. If cat-advocates want REAL justice for their cats then any cat found outdoors would have to be cruelly tortured to death the same way their cats cruelly torture all other animals -- something that I couldn't do. Maybe that's why TNR-advocates don't mind that their cats slowly suffer to death by means of "attrition" -- by disease, attacks, exposure, starvation, road-kill, etc., on ad-infinauseum. They have absolutely no problems in torturing animals. They're just like their cats.)
Norby

Lakeland, FL

#11 Dec 13, 2011
Reality for the Psychotic wrote:
If you want to feed YOUR cats then by all means do so! ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND ONLY YOUR OWN PROPERTY. Keep YOUR CATS confined to YOUR PROPERTY and there will be no debate, no problem, no laws have been broken.
And therein lies the problem. Sociopaths (have no concept of right and wrong) and psychopaths like you who try to twist your way out of your responsibility from your illegal and criminal actions and the destruction you have caused to all others and all other animals with your behavior. A life-sentence in prison is too good for people like you.
So let me get this straight. According to you, A life-sentence in prison is too good for people who let their cats set foot on your property? The only punishment worse than a life sentence is a death sentence. So it sounds to me that you think a person who lets their cat come on your property should die? I hope the local law enforcement in Saint Paul, MN monitors this forum because you are freaking insane!
greywintersky

AOL

#12 Jun 18, 2012
Further Help, aka:Reality For Psychotics, aka:Woodsman, aka:Forrest Smith, and on and on...... has been posting on a multitude of sites that mentions cats, He wants to tell the world about his hate for cats and how he kills and buries them on his property. He starts off sounding like an authority, but as soon as someone starts to see through him, he starts on his vitriolic spew. He's trying to convince the world to eradicate/kill all cats that are outdoors. Google in a couple of his statements and you will find the same ramblings on many different sites with a different alias. For example: "I wasted 15 years of my life arguing with demented cat lovers." or "my neighbors used their cats to overtake my land and even moved the property markers." The guy is an absolute psycho case.

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