Susan Stanton,Trans Woman, City Manager Of Fort Worth, FL Fired

There are 19 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Dec 9, 2011, titled Susan Stanton,Trans Woman, City Manager Of Fort Worth, FL Fired. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

After two and a half years, Susan Stanton was fired as city manager for Lake Worth, Florida.

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#1 Dec 9, 2011
Sounds like she had the "CLASS" to leave with dignity. Something that the 3 board members did not have to not give notice to the public for discussion.

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#2 Dec 9, 2011
She burnt her bridges 2 1/2 years ago when she got up on her soap box and blasted the entire Trans Community being HRC puppet now NO one will come to her aide she's on her own.

“WOOF !”

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#3 Dec 9, 2011
Call Frank Stanton !

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#4 Dec 9, 2011
Brandi P wrote:
She burnt her bridges 2 1/2 years ago when she got up on her soap box and blasted the entire Trans Community being HRC puppet now NO one will come to her aide she's on her own.
Giving her respect on leaving like a Lady is not giving her being trans a boost.

As you said she sided with HRC the unEquaql rights marginalization with little experience in the community.

But no rearing is not right either. Everyone deserves to be able to answer criticism.

“Stop the liberal madness”

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#5 Dec 9, 2011
Fred ABQ wrote:
Call Frank Stanton !
I like Frank and if nothing else he supports the correct party.

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#6 Dec 10, 2011
From reading the story, she was doing just what needed to be done, namely manage the city's finances. Things had been out of control for so long, when she got there, that she had to step on a few toes. It's not the manager's job to get along with the city's employees. In fact, I'd be suspicious if she got too cozy with them. As a taxpayer, I don't want these two entities getting along too well.
As far a her "Cover" from HRC goes, Susan Stanton is a competent manager and she'll find another job, albeit it may take some time. She doesn't need HRC (They're not much good anyway)
to "help" her. HRC AFAIK has never helped anyone whose "trans", Every victory we've won, was won by the person alone or with a Trans or Trans-friendly lawyer, Not by HRC!
Regards, Terry

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#7 Dec 10, 2011
TerryE wrote:
From reading the story, she was doing just what needed to be done, namely manage the city's finances. Things had been out of control for so long, when she got there, that she had to step on a few toes. It's not the manager's job to get along with the city's employees. In fact, I'd be suspicious if she got too cozy with them. As a taxpayer, I don't want these two entities getting along too well.
As far a her "Cover" from HRC goes, Susan Stanton is a competent manager and she'll find another job, albeit it may take some time. She doesn't need HRC (They're not much good anyway)
to "help" her. HRC AFAIK has never helped anyone whose "trans", Every victory we've won, was won by the person alone or with a Trans or Trans-friendly lawyer, Not by HRC!
Regards, Terry
Terry I have NO Doubt that she was doing a good job and that she stepped one toes most likely the toes of the counsel member who wrangled the two new comers into firing her, but don't except to see the LGBT community rising up to fight for her or her job. You sure as hell won't see HRTC stepping in to help they've used her for what the needed her for they have no further use of her.

Since: Jan 09

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#8 Dec 10, 2011
Sad But true! But again, It's beenn Trans people looking after their own interests that have furthered our cause. From Virginia Prince in the 50s to Phyllis R. Frye to Lynn Conway and many, many more sticking their necks out and speaking up that have brought about the most changes. Some of us have been deluded by the Flash of HRC and similiar organizations. But they're are basically Gay orgs. and merely feel obligated to place a T at the end of their names or mission statements. To be without it would be unthinkable! Yet, their efforts on our part are negible.
Regards, Terry
Brandi P wrote:
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Terry I have NO Doubt that she was doing a good job and that she stepped one toes most likely the toes of the counsel member who wrangled the two new comers into firing her, but don't except to see the LGBT community rising up to fight for her or her job. You sure as hell won't see HRTC stepping in to help they've used her for what the needed her for they have no further use of her.

“WOOF !”

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#9 Dec 10, 2011
luv Sarah Palin wrote:
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I like Frank and if nothing else he supports the correct party.
Well Frank may be back because Fred is leaving ABQ.

Sei

Since: Nov 08

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#10 Dec 10, 2011
TerryE wrote:
Sad But true! But again, It's beenn Trans people looking after their own interests that have furthered our cause. From Virginia Prince in the 50s to Phyllis R. Frye to Lynn Conway and many, many more sticking their necks out and speaking up that have brought about the most changes. Some of us have been deluded by the Flash of HRC and similiar organizations. But they're are basically Gay orgs. and merely feel obligated to place a T at the end of their names or mission statements. To be without it would be unthinkable! Yet, their efforts on our part are negible.
Regards, Terry
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Can I be honest here? I sometimes wonder if part of the problem is our own divided nature. I get lumped into the Transgender category, but I do not see myself as transgender. I have no identity that actually associates itself with having once lived as a man in this culture. I've always been female. I categorize myself as transsexual, though, which I view as different from transgender.

With gay, lesbian and bisexual, the categories are downright easy and simple. With transgender, transsexual and intersexual, they are not, and I think that chaos in definition is hurting our cause, and making it easy to alienate us from the rest of the LGBT Community.

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#11 Dec 10, 2011
Sei wrote:
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Can I be honest here? I sometimes wonder if part of the problem is our own divided nature. I get lumped into the Transgender category, but I do not see myself as transgender. I have no identity that actually associates itself with having once lived as a man in this culture. I've always been female. I categorize myself as transsexual, though, which I view as different from transgender.
With gay, lesbian and bisexual, the categories are downright easy and simple. With transgender, transsexual and intersexual, they are not, and I think that chaos in definition is hurting our cause, and making it easy to alienate us from the rest of the LGBT Community.
Sei Don't even get me started I've been booted from some many sites for expressing exactly those same opinions, so don't feel like you're the only one with these opinions there are many "women of history" so to speak out there who feel exactly the same way. Some of us who've completed our SOC Transitions even feel that we have transcended even Identifying as Transexuals and are now just living normal lives as normal women. I find myself now Identifying with the Lesbian community rather then the transgender one as such I don't feel I have a lot in common with then and find it hard to support their cause of gaining equal rights as women when the vast majority don't feel the need to follow the SOC and choose to diagnosis themselves, medical themselves, and choose not to have gender surgery. How in the hell do they expect anyone to take them seriously or believe anything they say when they don't have a shred of proof that they were in fact born with the opposite gender Identity of the sex they were born too. Add to that theres so many people out there using the wrong terms for the wrong things calling themselves this or that when they haven't even seen a counselor or a doctor and have no idea what it truly means to be GID.

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#12 Dec 10, 2011
TerryE wrote:
Sad But true! But again, It's beenn Trans people looking after their own interests that have furthered our cause. From Virginia Prince in the 50s to Phyllis R. Frye to Lynn Conway and many, many more sticking their necks out and speaking up that have brought about the most changes. Some of us have been deluded by the Flash of HRC and similiar organizations. But they're are basically Gay orgs. and merely feel obligated to place a T at the end of their names or mission statements. To be without it would be unthinkable! Yet, their efforts on our part are negible.
Regards, Terry
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In fact the GL movement would have been stopped in its tracks had it not been for the Trans individuals who started Stonewall in 1969. Story's conflict as to whether it was a female to male or Sylvia Rivera that threw the first bottle. but the fact that it was at a bar where trans persons gathered to party is not in dispute. Many at the time identified as gay or lesbian, the trans identity did not exist. trans was basically only used for transvestites which is a clothing fetish.

It was more than 20 years after Willy Loman was Virgina Prince and then years since Conway had been fired by IBM for wanting to transition and 18 or so since Christine Jorgenson came back after a penisectomy and went in search of A Dr. Dr Biber eventually answered the call.

The ensuing riots were led by cross-dressing gay men and women who became the transsexual community. There friends joined in and like the Occupy movement today it polarized the city of New York. Then spread across the country.

At that time Trans was a part of the gay and lesbian community. Many thought that it was a condition of only gay men wanting to be girls for sex. That changed in the next 15 years to where it became understood by the mental health communities that Transsexuals were not the same, but they were not cross dressers or transvestites either. They were their own distinct community. And were both women and men believing they were in the wrong body. It was not sex but sexual (as in Gender) identification that was the difference.

There were man activists who the trans community owe a very big thank you too. But more important the very spokes persons we started on this trip have stolen the steering wheel, Groups like HRC have us in the organization because we were there first, it was always a group of people, Many gays were Queens and performers. We were the same in their eyes. It was the finding that we were not Gay that lead to the problems, they have never understood that.

Barney Franks lover and chief of staff got the job for Joe, strangely he had the same feelings as Frank did.That the trans community was only gays in a dress or perverts wanting to just use the ladies room for a thrill.

The battle will be over when that attitude is buried and forgotten.

Transsexuals had to learn to stick up for themselves, after all Gays just thought of them as the Queens and Drag performers. Had a Lynn Conway been out in 1969 or Renae Richards maybe people would have understood that No were are different. But we were more associated with Virginia Prince than Lynn Conway.

Virginia made crossdressing acceptable But Christine was not accepted by the population as other than an oddity. There were not enough persons who had made a full change until the mid to late 80's for Transsexuals to come into their own and it was medical advances in surgery that brought this out. Biber, Schrang, Seagers, Royal became known to the community as those who would help. All collected and encouraged by Hershfield.

Susan has many who she needs to thank for their pioneering, and HRC was not on that list.
Gender Pac, Transsexual Menace,TSRoad Map, Indigo Pages, Brenda who was Bruce, DR Ann Lawrence, are but a few who did deserve praise.

Since: Jan 09

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#13 Dec 11, 2011
Excellent!!But what does Willy Loman have to do with Virginia Prince? Magnus Hershfeld coined the term "Transvestite" around 1910. Harry Banjamin saw that the term was too inclusive. There were those "Transvesties" who were not happy just dressing up once a week, Who felt that they were women underneath it all and that woman wanted recognition. That they were not only Trans-vestites, but Trans-sexuals and so coined the term (In the early 50s)
You are 100% correct about Sylvia Rivera and the Stonewall event and to go a little further, Gays have hijacked the credit for that until we remind them who really threw the first bottle. Gays would have taken the crap in perpetuity! TGs seem to have more anger and balls then gays, were always on edge. More willing to take a chance! Maybe, more fatalistic in our outlook. Anyway, Sylvia Rivera wrote history that night.
If you recall, One of the strict requirements for SRS was that you had to have had Homosexual trysts. If a TS told a therapist that she was a lesbian, she was judged unfit for surgery. She had to be attracted to men. You also had to watch out for a diagnosis of schizophrenia or psychosis. Many Drs did not accept that there was such a thing as Transsexualism. Tell the wrong Dr. that you were TS could land you in an institution. Oh and you had to b e close to suicide or your feelings weren't intense enough.
If Lynn Conway had come out in 1969, she would have spent her life on welfare or working menial jobs, far beneath her abilities. The world wasn't ready for her yet. Capt. Jan Hamiliton is a perfect example.
Excellent piece though!
Regards, Terry

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#14 Dec 11, 2011
Excellent!!But what does Willy Loman have to do with Virginia Prince?

Have you looked up his cookbook or his Hose and heels club?

Its been many years since I used the name for her but I believe I am right.

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#15 Dec 11, 2011
pauline 2 wrote:
Excellent!!But what does Willy Loman have to do with Virginia Prince?
Have you looked up his cookbook or his Hose and heels club?
Its been many years since I used the name for her but I believe I am right.
A friend of mine liked to call her Willy, she was Born Arnold Lowman. my memory is not always great. Been a long time since I even thought of her name.
She was a professor, a DR of Chemistry I believe, she published a couple cook books and was forever remembered as Virginia Prince. She coined a word for herself, transgenderist.

So now you know the rest of the story.

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#16 Dec 11, 2011
Maybe, more fatalistic in our outlook. Anyway, Sylvia Rivera wrote history that night.
If you recall, One of the strict requirements for SRS was that you had to have had Homosexual trysts. If a TS told a therapist that she was a lesbian, she was judged unfit for surgery. She had to be attracted to men. You also had to watch out for a diagnosis of schizophrenia or psychosis*****
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Actually I never had to cross that line. I was married, loved her very much and she put up with me for years even through surgeries, 35 years quite a few good. But my middle daughter was dead set on abandoning me and it came to my wife or the kids. I left so there was no conflict. Two years after the divorce I did meet a man and we did get married, he passed away in 04 from Cancer. I miss him very much, given a choice as to when I was the happiest it was as a wife. I did not have to make believe anything. No guard up everyday. Every nite afraid to say something in my sleep and the duel life was very taxing.

“WOOF !”

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#17 Dec 11, 2011
pauline 2 wrote:
Maybe, more fatalistic in our outlook. Anyway, Sylvia Rivera wrote history that night.
If you recall, One of the strict requirements for SRS was that you had to have had Homosexual trysts. If a TS told a therapist that she was a lesbian, she was judged unfit for surgery. She had to be attracted to men. You also had to watch out for a diagnosis of schizophrenia or psychosis*****
*****
Actually I never had to cross that line. I was married, loved her very much and she put up with me for years even through surgeries, 35 years quite a few good. But my middle daughter was dead set on abandoning me and it came to my wife or the kids. I left so there was no conflict. Two years after the divorce I did meet a man and we did get married, he passed away in 04 from Cancer. I miss him very much, given a choice as to when I was the happiest it was as a wife. I did not have to make believe anything. No guard up everyday. Every nite afraid to say something in my sleep and the duel life was very taxing.
ESPECIALLY with all that gunfire !

:)

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#18 Dec 11, 2011
Fred ABQ wrote:
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ESPECIALLY with all that gunfire !
:)
Have I seen you at the range?

“WOOF !”

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#19 Dec 11, 2011
pauline 2 wrote:
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Have I seen you at the range?
Check your spelling.

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