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Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

There are 52086 comments on the CBS2 story from Nov 30, 2010, titled Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions. In it, CBS2 reports that:

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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Mojo

Chicago, IL

#37824 Feb 21, 2013
Some Never Came Home wrote:
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Gays have been around since the dawn of mankind! Therefore they are and have always been part of the natural order! I'm straight but could care less what 2 consenting adults do! It may not be my cup of tea but again who cares if no one is being harmed! Besides gays are full citizens protected under the Constitution and deserve to be treated equally under the law! As it is they are not! Separate but equal simply never is and never will be! Hopefully all these legal and Constitutional questions will be answered this summer when the Supreme deliberates these questions and it is settles once and for all!
I didn't mean unnatural as in literally artificial, I meant unnatural in the same way Down Syndrome could be considered an "unnatural" defect of the mind (as offensive as that comparison is).

It sounds like I'm making a case against homosexuality here, but I actually agree with everything you say. No one should care what two consenting adults choose to do with their relationships, and no one gets to define it as marraige or otherwise but themselves.
Some Never Came Home

Tempe, AZ

#37825 Feb 21, 2013
Mojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't mean unnatural as in literally artificial, I meant unnatural in the same way Down Syndrome could be considered an "unnatural" defect of the mind (as offensive as that comparison is).
It sounds like I'm making a case against homosexuality here, but I actually agree with everything you say. No one should care what two consenting adults choose to do with their relationships, and no one gets to define it as marraige or otherwise but themselves.
Sounds like a plan to me! LOL,If I misunderstood you my apology's!You have a yourself a good evening or morning as it may be ya hear!

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37826 Feb 21, 2013
Some Never Came Home wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Annie,speaking of anal sex,here are a couple of links that show that heteros are indulging in it far more than one would expect or imagine! As a matter of fact,number wise heteros are engaging it it far more than gays are! Not that it matters anyway as I could care less what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms or kitchens,or backyards or anywhere else! LOL, Personally Kimare the wonder mangina is a voyeur and likes to watch as it is a big turn on for him/her/it? Anyway here you go!
Heteros and Anal sex
nymag.com/nightlife/mating/25988/
Also.....
http://sexuality.about.com/od/sexinformation/...
Thanks! I'm a sexual educator (not THE Annie Sprinkle, unfortunately) and am amazed by the assertion that homosexuality is interchangable with anal sex. I look forward to a reply from KiMare on this matter, since he posited that very thing.
Some Never Came Home

Beacon, NY

#37827 Feb 21, 2013
AnnieSprinkle wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks! I'm a sexual educator (not THE Annie Sprinkle, unfortunately) and am amazed by the assertion that homosexuality is interchangable with anal sex. I look forward to a reply from KiMare on this matter, since he posited that very thing.
Well,I wouldn't expect much in the way of logic or compassion when it comes to our Kilmare! He is completely devoid of all logic and critical thought! But do try,just don't expect much!And yes,the ignorance and hatred displayed on TOPIX is amazing! Especially from these Faux Christians! Not to say that the majority of REAL Christians are good decent folk,you just to see them to often here! LOL

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37828 Feb 21, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Half of the gay population is female, and most don't engage in anal sex.
Not all gay men engage in anal sex. Frottage is common, and safe.
Yet even more straight people do everything gay people do. It is not inherently harmful, if done right. It only becomes high risk with multiple partners, which is a good reason for encouraging marriage. It fails as an excuse to deny equal rights.
Dehumanizing gay people by calling them defects, still fails as an excuse to deny equal rights. We don't deny equal rights based on birth defects.
As procreation has never been a legal requirement, it also fails as an excuse to deny equal treatment. All the same old excuses fail.
sorry.
1.'Gay' usually refers to male homosexuals, and was my reference. The percentage between male/female homosexuals is not 50/50.

2. I did not infer that all gays engaged in anal sex. I said it is the closest imitation to intercourse, and gave a medical reference that calls it inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning for ANYONE who engages in it.

3. It is 'safer', NOT safe, when done with an anal condom (manufactured thicker and tighter to help prevent the likelihood of tearing or slipping off during anal sex) and generous application of lubrication. The harm has nothing to do with the added immorality of multiple participants.

4. To qualify for equal minority rights, you must equate with the minority. At it's bare essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Gays are a defective contradiction on the very core goal of evolution. Of all friendships, they are the least qualified to be equated to marriage!

5. Accurately describing a medical condition is not demeaning. Denial is deadly and dangerous.

6. For a orientation that is absolutely desolate regarding procreation, demanding it not be considered in the sole relationship designed by nature to protect and affirmed numerous times by SCOTUS, is clear bias, not to mention silly.

You continue to twist, distort and lie about these issues. Why is that behavior necessary for a legitimate cause?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37829 Feb 21, 2013
Mojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Want people to take what you say seriously? Say it's not just your opinion. Even if it is.
That is why I posted the medical reference. One of many that are available.

Instead of giving your opinion of what is or is not my opinion, why didn't you just counter the information I post with a validated response?

Maybe because you don't have one?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37830 Feb 21, 2013
Mojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Also, it should be noted that I agree with you in that regard. Homesexuality is in fact a mental defect that does nothing to advance to speicies evolutionarily, and could therefore be considered unnatural. It also makes me uncomfortable seeing two men being intimate.
But that being said, we live in America, and I respect their right to do as they damn well please as well as their right to not give a damn about what makes me uncomfortable.
I made no moral judgment on homosexuality. I simply noted a accurate diagnosis on the primary sexual behavior of male homosexuals.

I did make a moral and reasoned judgment on calling an imposter relationship marriage.

You fail to address the fundamental issue; At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. Gay couples are a defective contradiction on the very core goal of evolution.

Let me ask you a question. Why do homosexuals insist on trying to imitate a relationship that a child can distinguish from(especially when one couple is mom and dad), instead of having the pride in their own identity and orientation to establish a distinct pairing label?

Finally, are you really insinuating that a radical change in the sole birthplace of every other relationship in society is only resisted because 'it makes people uncomfortable'? What a ignorantly dishonest attempt to demean.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37831 Feb 21, 2013
Some Never Came Home wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Annie,speaking of anal sex,here are a couple of links that show that heteros are indulging in it far more than one would expect or imagine! As a matter of fact,number wise heteros are engaging it it far more than gays are! Not that it matters anyway as I could care less what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms or kitchens,or backyards or anywhere else! LOL, Personally Kimare the wonder mangina is a voyeur and likes to watch as it is a big turn on for him/her/it? Anyway here you go!
Heteros and Anal sex
nymag.com/nightlife/mating/25988/
Also.....
http://sexuality.about.com/od/sexinformation/...
Why are you diverting from the point that anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning FOR ANYONE WHO ENGAGES IN IT?

Is it because you have no logical argument to address the real issue?

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37832 Feb 21, 2013
Mojo wrote:
Oh yeah, and I also understand that I don't make the rules regarding marraige. Thats a thing you seem to be having trouble grasping.
"Its not just my opinion!"
Yes it is.
Please. What part of "marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior" is an 'opinion' of anyone?

I'll wait for your response...

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37833 Feb 21, 2013
Some Never Came Home wrote:
<quoted text>
Gays have been around since the dawn of mankind! Therefore they are and have always been part of the natural order! I'm straight but could care less what 2 consenting adults do! It may not be my cup of tea but again who cares if no one is being harmed! Besides gays are full citizens protected under the Constitution and deserve to be treated equally under the law! As it is they are not! Separate but equal simply never is and never will be! Hopefully all these legal and Constitutional questions will be answered this summer when the Supreme deliberates these questions and it is settles once and for all!
I agree! Gays have been around since humans, along with other sexual defects.

However, marriage has been a part of every single culture in human history. From the start of that culture, to the end. Gay couples have NEVER, in one single culture, been accepted as married from the start to finish of that culture. Ever. Anywhere. They have never established gay 'marriage' and spread to other cultures. Instead, when homosexual activity became open, the culture ended.

Quite a striking fact that follows yours, don't you think?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37834 Feb 21, 2013
AnnieSprinkle wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks! I'm a sexual educator (not THE Annie Sprinkle, unfortunately) and am amazed by the assertion that homosexuality is interchangable with anal sex. I look forward to a reply from KiMare on this matter, since he posited that very thing.
You are scary if you really are a sexual educator for a number of reasons...

However I am specifically addressing your comprehension. If you want to challenge my comments, try accurately quoting them, and understanding basic terminology about sexuality.

I made the assertion that anal sex for gays (male homosexuals) is the primary comparison to intercourse. It is in the context that sexual attraction identifies orientation AND that sexual activity is the most intimate expression of that orientation.

Bazinga!

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#37835 Feb 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>You are scary if you really are a sexual educator for a number of reasons...

However I am specifically addressing your comprehension. If you want to challenge my comments, try accurately quoting them, and understanding basic terminology about sexuality.

I made the assertion that anal sex for gays (male homosexuals) is the primary comparison to intercourse. It is in the context that sexual attraction identifies orientation AND that sexual activity is the most intimate expression of that orientation.

Bazinga!
Are you going to address anything else I said? Or just argue semantics and make references to horrible TV shows? Also, I am a sexual educator and a damn good one. No one leaves any of my lessons thinking anal sex is demeaning, that's for damn sure.
Mojo

Chicago, IL

#37836 Feb 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Please. What part of "marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior" is an 'opinion' of anyone?
I'll wait for your response...
Snicker.
That isn't the opinion. The opinion I was getting from you was that gay marriage is somehow invalid because marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

And I was going to avoid making the whole "homosexuality in nature" arguement but you've sucked me into it -

Homosexuality is an evolutionary mating behaviour in some way. Not a productive one, not one that makes sense evolutionarily, but theres no denying that many animals in nature have homosexual mating tendancies.

And marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior, is it not?

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#37838 Feb 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Please. What part of "marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior" is an 'opinion' of anyone?
all of it.

you're welcome.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#37839 Feb 21, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>

I made the assertion that anal sex for gays (male homosexuals) is the primary comparison to intercourse.!
Also known as your opinion.

Muntzinga!

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#37840 Feb 21, 2013
AnnieSprinkle wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you going to address anything else I said? Or just argue semantics and make references to horrible TV shows?.
Trust us, he'll go with the latter.

Thank you for your work as an educator.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#37841 Feb 21, 2013
Mojo wrote:
<quoted text>
That isn't the opinion. The opinion I was getting from you was that gay marriage is somehow invalid because marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And I was going to avoid making the whole "homosexuality in nature" arguement but you've sucked me into it -
Homosexuality is an evolutionary mating behaviour in some way. Not a productive one, not one that makes sense evolutionarily, but theres no denying that many animals in nature have homosexual mating tendancies.
And marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior, is it not?
You'll soon learn that logical thought and response are not Kimare's expectations. He's merely here to be an ass-troll.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37842 Feb 21, 2013
AnnieSprinkle wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you going to address anything else I said? Or just argue semantics and make references to horrible TV shows? Also, I am a sexual educator and a damn good one. No one leaves any of my lessons thinking anal sex is demeaning, that's for damn sure.
Oh sit on it!

There, that addressed your comment.

Bazinga!
Mary

Wilmington, IL

#37843 Feb 21, 2013
Marriage is a sacrament between a man and a woman

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37844 Feb 21, 2013
Mojo wrote:
<quoted text>
That isn't the opinion. The opinion I was getting from you was that gay marriage is somehow invalid because marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And I was going to avoid making the whole "homosexuality in nature" arguement but you've sucked me into it -
Homosexuality is an evolutionary mating behaviour in some way. Not a productive one, not one that makes sense evolutionarily, but theres no denying that many animals in nature have homosexual mating tendancies.
And marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior, is it not?
'Mating behavior' signifies procreation. When that doesn't ever occur, it is not mating behavior.

Scientists use the term 'same sex sexual behavior' instead of homosexuality when speaking of animals because most often the behavior has nothing to do with orientation.

The bottom line is that gay relationships do not meet the definition of mating behavior or marriage.

They do have every right and opportunity to identify and establish their own relationship, just like heterosexuals did with marriage.

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