Antioch Schools
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Mystery Man

Chicago, IL

#22 Oct 11, 2012
You posted a number of issues let me see if i can address them all.
But first let me say i don't hate every teacher. Some are really good. I'm betting you're one of the best. Anyone willing to debate issues with me without making it personal earns my respect.

My kid went to Grant not Antioch. I wish she had gone to Antioch i have more respect for that system then the one in Fox Lake. I tried to get her into Antioch but Grant wouldn't allow it. They fought me tooth and nail on every issue they could find. I wasn't always this jaded in my view on schools.

CHILD LEFT BEHIND
i think most of us envisioned a different meaning to that then what it became. I felt it should have meant doing whatever it took to keep ALL the students at acceptable educational levels. For example using tutors for kids having trouble. Providing laptops for kids who can't afford them. Better written books. ETC.
What i experienced at Grant were teachers bending over backwards for A+ Students and not caring for any student with a C- or below. I BEGGED them for a tutor for my daughter. All i got for answer was don't worry we'll help if she needs. Well that happened. They didn't give a rats behind at Grant. But times are changing my granddaughter gets plenty of help without it dipping into the rest of the class.

Meeting minimum standards. I'm glad if that is true.
But would that be ok in the work force ? How long would you hold a job if your work was only at minimum standards ?

Wouldn't it be nice to know you can't be fired for poor performance. In fact it would be awesome to know you get a pay raise and full benefits just for meeting minimum standards.

Best of all you only work 9 months making what a lot of people in this area can't make in 12 months.
This frees you up to take summer job and make even more money.

Now i'll admit my shortcomings.( only because i have so few of them j/k ) I could never be a teacher. My tolerance level for kids doesn't reach to that many kids for that many hours. That and i couldn't handle the guilt of making more money then i deserve.

Seriously i think times are changing because people like me have seen the light and demand teachers be held accountable. At least to the level of those who can be fired in the private sector.

Since: Oct 11

Antioch, IL

#23 Oct 12, 2012
Mystery Man wrote:
But first let me say i don't hate every teacher. Some are really good. I'm betting you're one of the best.

Meeting minimum standards. I'm glad if that is true.
But would that be ok in the work force ? How long would you hold a job if your work was only at minimum standards ?
Wouldn't it be nice to know you can't be fired for poor performance. In fact it would be awesome to know you get a pay raise and full benefits just for meeting minimum standards.
Best of all you only work 9 months making what a lot of people in this area can't make in 12 months.
This frees you up to take summer job and make even more money.
Just to confirm, I am not a teacher. Never have been. May have wanted to be one at some point, but chose to go a different route.

Minimum standards are not ok in the workforce if you want to excel. Many of the teachers I've met and talked to are as frustrated by the current environment as I am. They don't have a choice. If they don't follow the course and teach to the test (ie, those minimum standards), they run the risk of being out of a job for not conforming. They spend hours playing psychologist/referee/bodyguard in the classroom. And then they get the fun of parents telling them what a cushy job they have, pointing out how much money they make, and yeah - all those summers off!

I will admit that my view is influenced by the fact that I've been fortunate in the teachers my kids have had. It's not luck - I get involved in every school, I ask questions, I find out in advance which teachers are excellent and which are just ok. I met with principals to push for my kids assignment to those excellent teachers. I check homework, I am in the PTO, I make it my job to advocate for my kids. And yes, I also work well over 40 hours a week as an executive in a pretty high pressure business. I'm not saying that to pat myself on the back. Yeah, it's fricking exhausting, but unless you advocate for your kids, and teach them that they MUST learn to advocate for themselves and their future dependents, they'll be relegated to the crap teachers/employers/clients all their lives.

And now, I have a teacher I need to email. Unfortunately, I am now encountering one who's approaching retirement age and phoning it in. Either she's going to start helping my kid, or I'm going to push for reassignment. The time I spend working on this means extra hours I will have to put in at the office tonight. But that's life. That's my job as a parent. It's not the job of any educator and I'd never expect it to be.
Mystery Man

Chicago, IL

#24 Oct 12, 2012
News Reader
i hope it works out for you.
i've been there and it didn't work out for me at all.

You're doing a great job as a parent. A better job then that teacher is doing.
That teacher is the kind i'm talking against.
Think of all the times that teacher got away with flubbing the job because some parent didn't catch it.
Parents do care. I never met one that didn't.
But parents don't always know or believe that bad teachers exist.
At least you noticed one and are proactive in doing something about it.

We certainly don't always agree.
But i do respect you as a parent AND as a person of opinions.
Good luck. Best of luck to your kid.
frustrated parent

Bloomington, IN

#25 Mar 9, 2013
Antioch High School is horrible and there is so many kids that drink and engage in drug usage. There is an enormous amount of bullying within the school and they do nothing about it. What happened to the no tolerence, but I guess it depends who the kid's parents are. These kids get a tap on the hand and they want to make everything hush, hush. Don't let the bad reputation get out. There are a ton of parents in Antioch that party with there children, and think it is okay to party with other people's children. This town is all about the money and not about the kids that attend the school. The elementary district 34 is talking about building a new school and using Antioch Elementary School building as an event building, it amazes me that our tax money is going to such a waste. They should be using that money to lowering fees. If we have all this extra money maybe we should be lowering our taxes. There is so much everyone doesn't know or realize or even want to admit. Yes, I am sure someone is saying if it is so bad why do I have my kids here. Well I am trying to sell my house to leave and when I do I am gone from this town.
palmtreefan

Round Lake, IL

#26 May 5, 2013
I have been through these school systems, Grant and Antioch, most of my schooling was Antioch K-8 and then 2 years at Grant and then final 2 at Antioch. I will say, Antioch I had 1 or 2 cool teachers growing up 2nd grade had a nice teacher, my 4th and 5th grade teachers were ok and my 8th grade Social Studies teacher was ok, it gets worse after that. But let me explain, Antioch is as stated above a money/sports community, so if you are a sports star or rich you get to pass any class regardless of academic knowledge. I was not a sports star or rich. so I worked my ass off to learn some courses, math in particular was my worst course in my K-12 career. Reason: it was being taught completely wrong. I went to CLC and later Columbia College Chicago, graduated college with a 3.8 GPA. But I had to take basic math twice during college because it was WIDELY known in the Collegiate community Antioch doesn't know what they are doing. My parents helped me for years and they couldn't figure it out and my dad was an electrician, one of the best in his Local and he used math daily, and he couldn't figure out the answers Antioch School system was doing. The kids in Antioch when I went, were middle of the road, some good, some bad, drugs/alcohol were easily accessible if you wanted it from marijuana all the way to heroine/meth god knows what else. party's which I never went to were full of the drug kids. Bullies were rampant and the teachers only punished the kid who tried to defend him/herself. However it was NOTHING compared to Grant. Grant, when I went was probably the opposite of Antioch, in Antioch the teachers were morons, in Grant the kids were mostly drug addicts/crooks/terrorists. I had a close knit group of about 5 friends and that's it in that school. Damn near every kid I ran into was on some drug over there. The teachers for the most part aside from my idiot english teacher who decided to fail anyone who forgot to cite their papers yet was clueless about anyone who downloaded it off the web in spite of a 2 day lecture about it. what an idiot. Anyway outside of that the teachers were decent. The kids tore my life apart and it hasn't been the same since. Thieves and drug addicts were everywhere I mean EVERYWHERE. I can't tell you how much of my stuff and my mom's stuff was stolen from the punks that my sister dragged home. Back to Antioch however, my sister got sick a lot (don't ask long story not sure how much of it was true as Gavin schools messed her up totally thanks to the kids who introduced her to cocaine yes the cokeheads were in the 7th grade) anyway she was home a lot and needed to get homework for her missed classes, which the teachers NEVER gave to her, they never bothered to follow up when my mom tried to get my sister help, they never gave a damn when my father died Junior year and my science teacher requested a death certificate the day I came back from grieving (I took a week off, sue me, my dad died and I was spending 8 months driving to and from a hospital and work). The choir teacher showed up to the funeral to make sure we weren't lying to him about it. Loser. Then there's my Yearbook teacher in Senior year who brought a weapon to school and threatened to hurt any student who wasn't working. Yeah that was a fun day. I couldn't WAIT to get out of school, The school systems in this area as far as I'm concerned are no better than Guantanamo Bay Prison. I learned more from History+Discovery Channel/Library books than at those places. Bottom line, if I could do it all over again, I'd skip school, hire a tutor, and started working when I was 6 years old. If I ever have a kid, I'm home schooling him/her. And I'm DEFINATELY Getting out of Lake County one day if it kills me. I hate this place, there's no good jobs (min wage DOESN'T CUT IT PEOPLE), no decent people, and nothing to do. I might as well be living in a desert. If it wasn't for this recession I'd have been outta here by now.
Mystery Man

Gurnee, IL

#28 May 6, 2013
Sorry it was that bad for you.
But you're right it is that bad at Grant as well as most schools in Lake County.
My kid went through most of what you went through too including the death of a parent as well as fighting a medical condition and having to prove that too.
It'll never change until parents fight back and stop signing off on tax increases to schools thinking its going to improve their kids education.
All that money goes for their huge salary increases and the sports dept. Damn little goes for the education of the kids.
Thanks again for your post, sorry it happened that way for you.
HistoryShows

Grayslake, IL

#29 May 6, 2013
Look at the way Antioch High School has handled the firing of Kent Sullens this year. He was making over 100K/year, while apparently thousands of dollars of school merchandise, and funds went missing under his watch. When initially questioned (before lawyer-ing up) he admitted to taking school property to his own private school start-up, lying on favored employee time cards, and misuse of school property and vehicles for personal benefit. Including using those school vehicles to haul away the school property he decided to take.

No investigation followed. The school didn't want law enforcement to get involved, and perhaps recover some of these losses. Nope - we would rather save face and fire the employee in question. It's not like it's their money....right!?
HistoryShows

Grayslake, IL

#30 May 6, 2013
HistoryShows wrote:
Look at the way Antioch High School has handled the firing of Kent Sullens this year. He was making over 100K/year, while apparently thousands of dollars of school merchandise, and funds went missing under his watch. When initially questioned (before lawyer-ing up) he admitted to taking school property to his own private school start-up, lying on favored employee time cards, and misuse of school property and vehicles for personal benefit. Including using those school vehicles to haul away the school property he decided to take.
No investigation followed. The school didn't want law enforcement to get involved, and perhaps recover some of these losses. Nope - we would rather save face and fire the employee in question. It's not like it's their money....right!?
News Article with some information on this issue. Wonder why the school doesn't just tell it like it is!?
http://newssun.suntimes.com/photos/galleries/...

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