Updated 11/11: Lake County drivers to...

Updated 11/11: Lake County drivers to see some relief on Route 83

There are 29 comments on the Sun-Times News Group story from Nov 13, 2008, titled Updated 11/11: Lake County drivers to see some relief on Route 83. In it, Sun-Times News Group reports that:

Frustrated motorists on Route 83 from Lake Villa through Antioch will get relief as a $20 million road improvement project has been approved.

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Village Idiot

Channahon, IL

#1 Nov 14, 2008
Rather then a center lane that is useless most of the time, and sidewalks few will ever use why not make a 4 lane road. We need 4 lane roads to move traffic along faster and safer through the county.
Nothing is more dangerous that someone trying to pass you on a 2 lane road. At least with a 4 lane road they can pass safer.
Dork Watch

Skokie, IL

#2 Nov 14, 2008
Village Idiot wrote:
Rather then a center lane that is useless most of the time, and sidewalks few will ever use why not make a 4 lane road. We need 4 lane roads to move traffic along faster and safer through the county.
Nothing is more dangerous that someone trying to pass you on a 2 lane road. At least with a 4 lane road they can pass safer.
Great idea. Why not a freeway? Oh, excuse me. There are HOUSES and stores on the street you are talking about. This could have been fixed weith some planning about 100 years ago. Too late now unless you would like to have the road under peoples front porches.
Crapped on Again

United States

#3 Nov 14, 2008
Well well well, the gang led by dorothy misplanned the placement of the stores and buildings over one hundred years ago. Once again they squandered a chance to succeed.
Dork Watch

Skokie, IL

#4 Nov 14, 2008
Crapped on Again wrote:
Well well well, the gang led by dorothy misplanned the placement of the stores and buildings over one hundred years ago. Once again they squandered a chance to succeed.
I am not completely sure, but I do not think Dorothy was old enough 100 years ago to have actually held office. She was probably still in school.

There was some other group lead by some other idiot that failed to think through this one. Hard to blame them though. Just how many horses and wagons would need to go down Main Street side by side in those days?
Village Idiot

Channahon, IL

#5 Nov 14, 2008
gee dork the article did say they have room enough to add a CENTER LANE and they have room enough to add a SIDEWALK on each side. Add that together and you pretty much have the two extra lanes. At worse some home owners might lose a few feet off their front yards. And before you ask yes i do drive this road. I guess the point you were trying to make is you prefer to spend millions on a useless center land and sidewalks. And my point was we need 4 line roads. The most foolish thing we can do is put off something by saying its too late now to fix it. Its never to late to improve.
Antioch Resident

Mchenry, IL

#6 Nov 14, 2008
Why would Route 83 be any different than Route 45 or Route 59? When they widened and put in turning lanes at the intersection of Grass Lake Road and Route 59, it solved alot of the backup problems during rush hour traffic.

Route 45 isn't even 4 lanes through Antioch. The state is not going to make Route 83 any different. At least we are going to be getting some relief.

You ought to be happy about something finally moving forward here in Antioch.
Village Idiot

Channahon, IL

#7 Nov 14, 2008
Something is better then nothing ? LOL my fault for wanting a real fix instead of a temporary solution.
Silly Me

Round Lake, IL

#8 Nov 15, 2008
Village Idiot wrote:
Something is better then nothing ? LOL my fault for wanting a real fix instead of a temporary solution.
A real fix would incorporate tearing down one side of Main Street from the border to south of 173 to actually make room for what you are asking for, which would need to be 5 lanes, not four, plus sidewalks. Or would you prefer high school students to walk in the street to and from school?

Ive got an even better idea. Lets bring in a developer to buy up all the land along Main Street at double it's value. Then let's get them to commit to bring big box stores to what used to be downtown with high rise condo's lining the rest of Main Street. Then let's get them to come back after the project is approved whining that they need more money. Then let's convince the taxpayers that it's not more money to help the developers. It's for INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT.

Then let's watch the developers take the agreement to levy extra taxes on anyone shopping in that area for the next 23 years and sell the land to someone else, who will hold it until the economy improves, then develop it without the need for the incentive and pocket the extra $13 mil. EXCELLENT IDEA.

Oh, forget what I just proposed. We don't need to do that on Main Street. It's already set to happen on 173. Silly me.
Village Idiot

Glendale Heights, IL

#9 Nov 15, 2008
This is typical. Try and have a real conversation and someone is bound to take it to the ridiculous. Again i said 4 lane not 5.
Now pay attention to how this works. I know its tough for you because you want to go overboard. They already admit they have enough room for a 3rd center lane and to ADD sidewalks where there aren't any ( as in not the downtown area but south of it ) That distance makes 4 lanes. As for downtown just eliminate street parking ( plenty of parking lots around the Old Ben Franklin lot is empty most of the time ) maybe at most lose a foot or two on the sidewalks and you have 4 lanes through town too. The downtown sidewalks are very wide two foot loss is hardly anything. Now don't bother responding if you are going to go overboard.
dmsj

Chicago, IL

#10 Nov 17, 2008
Great, so we can end up with the mess Libertyville has in their downtown; four lanes of stopped traffic idling during rush hours times. Sidewalks so small you can barely walk by someone. Great idea.
Village Idiot

Oswego, IL

#11 Nov 17, 2008
And you're telling me the traffic would move FASTER in Libertyville with a 2 lane road, center lane, and wider sidewalks ?
Menards Sucks

Bellwood, IL

#12 Nov 17, 2008
Village Idiot wrote:
This is typical. Try and have a real conversation and someone is bound to take it to the ridiculous. Again i said 4 lane not 5.
Now pay attention to how this works. I know its tough for you because you want to go overboard. They already admit they have enough room for a 3rd center lane and to ADD sidewalks where there aren't any ( as in not the downtown area but south of it ) That distance makes 4 lanes. As for downtown just eliminate street parking ( plenty of parking lots around the Old Ben Franklin lot is empty most of the time ) maybe at most lose a foot or two on the sidewalks and you have 4 lanes through town too. The downtown sidewalks are very wide two foot loss is hardly anything. Now don't bother responding if you are going to go overboard.
I'll respond for them VI.

Gee Village Idiot, there has never been a more apropos monicer than that which was self-shoosen. I guess buying up twenty or thiryt million in land to make your plan work is no big deal when the State and County are broke. Were lucky they even agreed to fix what they have. Good luck with that one.
Village Idiot

Oswego, IL

#13 Nov 17, 2008
i'll give you APROPOS but MONICER ?
SELF-SHOOSEN ??
Where do you guys gets this stuff from? Lets keep it simple i may not be the only idiot reading this stuff. But i'm surprised you are defending someone who misquoted what i said. I never once suggested 5 lanes. Go back and read all my posts.
The county intends to redo the street regardless if its 3 lanes ( 2 for traffic and 1 for center lane ) plus sidewalks
- or -
4 lanes with no sidewalks. Its going cost pretty much the same no matter how they do it. The issue isn't the cost. The issue is which would serve the flow of traffic better. I happen to feel center lanes are unnecessary when you have 4 lane roads. With the exception of the downtown area sidewalks are a waste. As for downtown i already addressed that earlier. In any event that is my opinion. We can agree to disagree if you like. But please if we disagree lets do it for what we actually say and not try an invent lies like SillyMe did. I don't want to waste my time with liars who distort what others actually write.
Dork Watch

Skokie, IL

#14 Nov 17, 2008
Village Idiot wrote:
This is typical. Try and have a real conversation and someone is bound to take it to the ridiculous. Again i said 4 lane not 5.
Now pay attention to how this works. I know its tough for you because you want to go overboard. They already admit they have enough room for a 3rd center lane and to ADD sidewalks where there aren't any ( as in not the downtown area but south of it ) That distance makes 4 lanes. As for downtown just eliminate street parking ( plenty of parking lots around the Old Ben Franklin lot is empty most of the time ) maybe at most lose a foot or two on the sidewalks and you have 4 lanes through town too. The downtown sidewalks are very wide two foot loss is hardly anything. Now don't bother responding if you are going to go overboard.
Left turn lanes are mandatory to keep traffic backing up behind people turning left into all the driveways and streets along the route. Hence 5 lanes. I grant you that it is not needed downtown, but are you suggesting that all on street parking be eliminated in the downtown area? Narrow sidewalks and no on street parking will not be supported by store owners.
Dork Watch

Skokie, IL

#15 Nov 17, 2008
Village Idiot wrote:
i'll give you APROPOS but MONICER ?
SELF-SHOOSEN ??
Where do you guys gets this stuff from? Lets keep it simple i may not be the only idiot reading this stuff. But i'm surprised you are defending someone who misquoted what i said. I never once suggested 5 lanes. Go back and read all my posts.
The county intends to redo the street regardless if its 3 lanes ( 2 for traffic and 1 for center lane ) plus sidewalks
- or -
4 lanes with no sidewalks. Its going cost pretty much the same no matter how they do it. The issue isn't the cost. The issue is which would serve the flow of traffic better. I happen to feel center lanes are unnecessary when you have 4 lane roads. With the exception of the downtown area sidewalks are a waste. As for downtown i already addressed that earlier. In any event that is my opinion. We can agree to disagree if you like. But please if we disagree lets do it for what we actually say and not try an invent lies like SillyMe did. I don't want to waste my time with liars who distort what others actually write.
And so the kids walk south on main street to high school in the street?
Village Idiot

Oswego, IL

#16 Nov 17, 2008
Dork you and your friends can give up on this 5th lane because i never endorsed that notion. Its a moot point as far as i'm concerned. Sheesh i hate going over it again & again. But her goes the sidewalks downtown could be shorten and still be effective.
And you never made a left turn into a driveway without using a center lane ?
Yeah i did say parking along 83 could be eliminated.( At least you got that one right ) I eat at The Las Vegas Family Restaurant all the time. Great owners. Since my mom is handicap i use the handicap spot in the back lot. Always found plenty of parking in the back for all those businesses. OK so i get it you disagree with me. Ain't america great we can disagree and still be buddies. BTW i have a grown up kid too so i know all about what it was like having a daughter walk to school.
Blah blah

Chicago, IL

#17 Nov 22, 2008
20 million will become 35 million and will take longer than estimated, while Bond and Osmond scramble to take credit for doing nothing on a project started before either of them came into office. Let's not forget that the dems who control the state will shift the money to some other black hole and chances are we won't find out there is no (real)money for the completion of the project after the lemmings in this area reelect Bond the Bulls**tter.
Antioch Resident

Mchenry, IL

#18 Nov 22, 2008
Village Idiot wrote:
This is typical. Try and have a real conversation and someone is bound to take it to the ridiculous. Again i said 4 lane not 5.
Now pay attention to how this works. I know its tough for you because you want to go overboard. They already admit they have enough room for a 3rd center lane and to ADD sidewalks where there aren't any ( as in not the downtown area but south of it ) That distance makes 4 lanes. As for downtown just eliminate street parking ( plenty of parking lots around the Old Ben Franklin lot is empty most of the time ) maybe at most lose a foot or two on the sidewalks and you have 4 lanes through town too. The downtown sidewalks are very wide two foot loss is hardly anything. Now don't bother responding if you are going to go overboard.
Your IP says you are located around Naperville. Go check out downtown Naperville. They don't have 4 lanes going through their downtown area from just south of Benton until around Jefferson. They have parking on both sides of Washington through this business district just as Antioch does.

What Naperville did was create Naper Boulevard to divert traffic away from downtown Naperville. We have Route 45 to do the same.

You cannot have 4 running lanes of traffic going through our downtown area. This would be hazardous to pedestrians with all the kooks flying through from Wisconsin. There are two schools in this vicinity and kids are walking to and from both of them during rush hours. You've got people trying to cross Main Street all throughout the day. What are you crazy?

People that want to cut through out downtown Antioch shopping district should be diverted to Route 45. You are asking for trouble if you want them to be able to fly through our downtown with 4 lanes of traffic.

What kind of idiot are you anyways!
Antioch Resident

Mchenry, IL

#19 Nov 22, 2008
Oops! Fixing my mistake ... "People that want to cut through OUR downtown Antioch shopping district should be diverted to Route 45."
Village Idiot

Downers Grove, IL

#20 Nov 22, 2008
first i'm NOT from Naperville i have no idea why it says that. In fact i'm surprised you didn't notice at other times it says Joliet. Go figure. Why is 4 lanes more dangerous then 2 lanes if the speed limit is the same ? Maybe its about time the townies learned to cross at the light instead of wherever they feel like it. I could go on but its pointless. You have your opinion and i have mine.

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