Watchers...not really 4000 voices

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Confused

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Sep 10, 2010
The CLSLCM claim to be 4000 voices. According to this week's Newstime, they can't really claim that. There was a letter from a resident wanting to become a member and they told him no.

Isn't it a little hypocritical to want open, transparent CA meetings, but not allow CA members to join their group? What are they trying to hide?
Darwin

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#2 Sep 10, 2010
I don't really know about the claims of numbers or the recent Newstime. I went to their website, but as usual, it doesn't work right. Their files are damaged and won't load.

Any chance you can post the relevant article here? I would appreciate it.
Confused

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Sep 10, 2010
Can't really post it as it is a pdf.

Try this link to Newstime:
http://www.hometown-online.net/hometownonline...
LSL Dad

New York, NY

#4 Sep 10, 2010
Let's be honest. This group, understandably, does not want to allow anyone to "join" that does not support their causes. Which is fine, but they need to stop telling people that they represent the CA members. They only represent those members that already agree with them. They have no interest in representing the thousands of members that do not agree with them. As they have admitted on their website, they are a political action committee, so no one should be shocked when they only want members who support their side of the political spectrum.
LSL Watch the Watchers

United States

#5 Sep 10, 2010
let's not forget this group COST the CA membership $35K with the special Bylaws Election. This election was FORCED by the Watchers and their attorney.
Darwin

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#6 Sep 10, 2010
Thanks for the attempt Confused, but that is the link I can't get to load.

LSLDad, does the CA want to allow members who don't support their views? Also, they do represent the CA members, at least some, which is the same as the CA. You do realize that not everyone in the CA agrees fully with the actions of the CA, don't you?

And to clarify, I do not actively support the watchers. I do agree with some of their issues.
Darwin

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#7 Sep 10, 2010
LSL Watch the Watchers- no the election has a set cost anyway, they raised issues that needed raised, and then the CA wanted their own wording on the ballot as well- mostly to muddle the issue.

To say that they cost the CA 35,000 is a fabrication from slim facts.

And, since the CA is an entity that must have elections, they accepted the risk of election costs, so they should not be whining about it.
LSL Watch the Watchers

United States

#8 Sep 10, 2010
Darwin - There would not have been an election if the Watchers did not force the issue in an attempt the hyjack OUR CA. No election = no set cost.
If they would have used the normal democratic process that has worked for years in the CA there would not have been a special election.
So I disagree with you, Watchers wasted $35K of our CA dollars!
Darwin

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#9 Sep 10, 2010
So- as long as everyone agrees with YOUR CA, then all is well, but when a member doesn't agree, wants an accounting of the working of the CA, then the CA is exempt for responsibility of the cost?
Guess again jocko, the CA bears the full cost. So, you could say the CA cost themselves 35k by not accepting what some of the members who pay the bills wanted. Guess it depends on your view.

My view slants toward democracy, not facism as your appears to.
A resident

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#10 Sep 10, 2010
It was a 'special' election/vote, so yes the wants of a few cost the CA 35K. Had it been the wants of 4000 people the vote would have gone a different way. They got their vote, it was voted down, time for them to go away!
LSL Dad

Troy, MO

#11 Sep 10, 2010
Darwin - To be a member of the CA, all you have to do is live within the CA and pay your dues. The CA doesn't pick and choose who they want as members, and by law they can't. My experience is that the CA Board attempts to represent what they believe is best for the community. Not everyone will be satisfied, and some will be disappointed. You can't run a corporation any other way. Any CA member can come to any committee or board meeting and make their case for whatever they want. Just because a committee or the board doesn't agree does not mean they aren't listening. There are at least two sides to every issue, so someone will feel they aren't being listened to.

Most importantly, the CA committees are made up of CA members from all over the community, and the CA Board members are subject to election by every member in good standing. Can the same be said of the CLSLCM group? Of course not.
Dan from LSL

Troy, MO

#12 Sep 10, 2010
It just seems funny that the proposal was voted down by over 90% of the 4000 residents and most of you think the other side represents so little.....
LSL Dad

Troy, MO

#13 Sep 10, 2010
I'm not sure that I follow your math. What do the 90% who voted against the proposed funding changes for the CA have to do with the CLSLCM? Are we to assume that since you agreed with the "watchers" on the vote, then you will support them going forward? That you agree that deadbeats should still get to vote, for example? I know an awful lot of people that voted against the proposal for a variety of reasons but who also think the CLSLCM group are dangerous and dead wrong.
A resident

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#14 Sep 10, 2010
If I were a gambling man, I would say the watchers represent about 100 families at most and all of those are either single widow/widowers or the uninformed children that never left the nest of the single widow/widower and follow in their parents foot steps. We will never know since the roll of the group is private and you have to have a special invitation to join their elite ranks. kinda reminds me of the KKK, only 'special' people can join!
LSL Dad

Winfield, MO

#15 Sep 11, 2010
What I find particularly interesting is that the people that seem to be supporting this group are simply angrey at the CA for having rules and enforcing them. This is not something the group has really talked about in public before. My question for the candidates backed by this group is simple, will you enforce the rules as they exist today? Or will you ignore the rules, or worse, vote to loosen the rules that protect the beauty of the community?
Youradouche

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#16 Jun 15, 2012
WATCHERS??? try assclowns!

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