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LSL eastsider

O Fallon, MO

#1 Apr 1, 2011
He really needs to get a grip on reality. He has no idea that people are fed up with his antics on the board. He needs to go
Resident

Wentzville, MO

#2 Apr 3, 2011
What antics has he done?
jpowers

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#3 Apr 4, 2011
I think Greg is doing a great job fighting off the bullies who are trying to take over our CA!
CA Member

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#4 Apr 5, 2011
I must be attending the wrong meetings. During the CA meetings that I have attended, Mr. Jones seems to be the only person on the board that has any idea of what is going on, how the CA works, or how to run a meeting. The new crop of board members seem to be angry about something, but they are unwilling or unable to explain just what that is. The one thing they are good at is stacking all the committees with their hand picked puppets. Nice to see they are open to varied points of view.
Clean Slate

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#5 May 15, 2011
There are concerns about the new board. First, from their rhetoric, it seems they are mostly there on the board to protect OLDER residents' needs, desires, etc. Without young families, and with open statements about everybody being on "fixed incomes", I worry that this is a recipe for stagnation in LSL and driving off new blood and ultimately, lead to decline. Yes, LSL was named a great place to retire, but not because everything was left to rot. Most of the new folks look to be about 70 and this may lead, unconsciously or deliberately, to entertainment only for older folks, or clubs and activities only for older folks. Everything to the preferences of the older folks.

And yes, as someone noted above, they seem MAD, with their outraged ads in the Newstime! Can't we all just get along?

Before you go accusing me of agism, I have an AARP card and gray hair! But the big gap I see here is that OLD people run everything. Talk to a teenager or twenty-something and see what great ideas they have. I don't feel stacking all the committees "with their hand-picked puppets" is healthy for our community. It becomes insider government without a diversity of viewpoints and circumstances.

Second, under NO circumstances will the CA membership tolerate this new board changing the bylaws so that people who don't pay their dues get to vote on how the CA is run!!

Third, the CA clubhouse is looking worn. The floors in the restrooms used to be cream colored tile. They are now nearly black with grease and feet dirt. Could the ceramic tile floors at the CA be heavily scrubbed or bleached, not just mopped? The baseboards are battered and chipped. Could they be repainted? The walls near light switches haven't been wiped and are black with filthy handprints. Could they be wiped with 409? The upholstery on the chairs used to be nice but is now dirty. Could they be steam cleaned? Could the webs outside on the ceiling covering the picnic area be cleaned?
Beagle

Warren, NJ

#6 May 18, 2011
Clean Slate - I think you are right on target. LSL should remain a great place to retire, but not a retirement community. The community has earned an outstanding national reputation not because it is a cheap place to live, but rather because the residents have invested time AND money to provide a very special quality of life. To suddenly change course and begin to choke off the very funds needed to maintain and improve the community will ultimately cause that quality of life to disappear. This is not to say that we need to spend foolishly, but we do need to ensure that the facilities are kept up, and expanded or improved where possible. I recognize that some folks are on a "fixed income", but if they can't afford to live in LSL, perhaps they should look elsewhere, maybe remaining in LSL but not within the CA.

I find it especially sad when I hear from longtime residents who participated in clubs and activities for years, but suddenly don't think the CA should be providing facilities for those same groups. They got theirs when they were young, but now could not care less. Unfortunately, unless and until the younger members of the community stand up and elect younger representatives, this downhill slide will continue. And, like Clean Slate, I am an older CA member (AARP aged). I just don't want to see our community destroyed.
LSL eastsider

Troy, MO

#7 Jul 26, 2011
In reference to the above, you need to pay closer attention to the meetings CLEAN SLATE the committe on the BYLAWS supports the premise that if the member is not current with the assessment they don't get a vote. Please attend these meetings and get to know what is really going on.

The board that is in place now is fair, not one sided. Go to the meetings and with an open mind look at the Board when they speak notice the body language as wel as the words.

When Jones Speaks, Devens will always be the pawn and second any motion that Jones makes and Devens has not an original bone in his body. When talking with Devens, asking his opinion on something he ALWAYS says he will have to think about it. What he is actually saying is I'll ask Greg Jones. It really is sad to see.

If you doubt this attend the meetings see for yourself. This cliche has been going on long enough , theybneed to go.
Disappointed in LSL

O Fallon, MO

#8 Jul 27, 2011
We moved here 10 years ago, and before anyone attacks... yes I attend BOD meeting and we are also members of many Clubs here. Also, no i do not have an AARP card or blue hair.

I will say that what I have seen is a decline in this community, pitting neighbor against neighbor and friend against friend. It is SAD!

I think that everyone on the BOD has faults, what really annoys me is that they refuse to work together!!!! I am tired of all the infighting and think they need to grow up!

I have had a chance to interact with both Greg and Jerry and I must tell you that my experience with Jerry did not leave me with a good feeling. He is stubborn and abbrasive in my opinion has an agenda that we will never really know until it smacks us in the face! Now having said that Greg is opinionated and very vocal! But, at least you know where you really stand with him.

The thing that strikes me as odd during BOD meeeting is that if a Board members feels they are not getting there way they will not vote either way. Say what you will about this but I have seen it happen on many occasions. As a matter of fact it happend during the vote regarding the new Tennis Courts, Jerry claimed he spent so much time and effort trying to be informed, but after 9 months of research he claimed he wasn't informed enough to vote one way or another.

Please before you pass judgement on anyone get out and look at what is going on and try to make informed decision or LSL will no longer be a great place to live.( Don't even get me started on the eye sore that is Jefferson Point)
Watch The Watchers

United States

#9 Jul 28, 2011
I just got a few updates from the BOD Meeting this week:
1) Jerry got a motion passed which bans CA Members from drinking alcohol at future BOD Meetings. This was clearly a political shot a Greg Jones and makes no sense.
2) The Watchers on the BOD secretly went out and got a $19K bid to dredge Paris Cove on the small lake. They did this without the knowledge of any committee and goes against the recomendations of the Lakes and Parks Committee. HEY WATCHERS - WHAT HAPPENED TO OPENESS AND TRANSPARENCY?
It's also important to note that this $19K expense will only benefit two homes, one of which is a member of the WATCHERS GROUP.

Wake Up people - we need to keep track of these WATCHERS who are hyjacking our community.
Really

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Jul 28, 2011
Now I'm confused...

Jones made a motion a few months back to have the BOD not drink during the meeting. Jerry voted not to do that.

Now Jerry votes to restrict what I can drink during a meeting. Who is he to tell me what I can and cannot drink? He's not my mother!

Jerry accused the last board of doing what ever they wanted, now he is doing it.

Was the dredge a sealed bid, or did he just give it to a buddy?
Gerry Not

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#11 Jul 29, 2011
I heard the Watchers (Bylaw Committe and 3 clowns on the BOD) picked their own lawyer for the CA now. I guess the sore losers could not take losing the last ballot election so they are hand picking a puppet lawyer to support their message of hate.
LiSaL

Saint Peters, MO

#12 Jul 30, 2011
I agree- the CA BOD is out of control. How can we start a vote to decertify the CA as a reality? That would be a first step to both improving our property values and improving our rights.
Beagle

Jersey City, NJ

#14 Aug 24, 2011
First, to LSL eastsider, I do attend the meetings, and have been doing so for more than 15 years. Apparently you and I are attending different meetings, however. What I see is a group of four board members who are in lock-step with each other, but not with the members attending the meetings. When questioned or challenged, they get very defensive and are usually unable or unwilling to answer even the most simple of questions. Jones and Devens do tend to agree, but that may have something to do with them having more experience on the board, or the fact that they are not following the orders of a special interest group (watchers, or concerned members, or whatever they are calling themselves these days). I learned today that the board meeting for August was cancelled because three of these same four puppets could not bring themselves to attend the meeting. Was this because they are tired of having to answer to the membership, and their own committees, about the decisions they have been making behind closed doors and in direct contradiction to the recommendations made by their committees? Who knows, but it speaks volumes about a board that is unable to fulfill their most basic of responsibilities.
LSL Eastsider

Wentzville, MO

#15 Sep 24, 2011
The very though that that these comments are being made with these many errors is irratating. Beagle we will not have to worry about Jones or Devens being on the BOD now that Devens never registered to run and Jones bailed out of the race. The resignation of the committee members of E&F only illustrates their lack of their ability to understand that the BOD does not have to follow recommendations of any committee . They are people we elect to be held accountable to the residents.
The drinking question is fro two different matters
One dealt with BOD drinking while attending committee meetings as an observer not a participant.
One dealt with anyone attending a Board meeting. These are two very different issues. Please know the issues before leaving comments against anyone. the watchers can' t go out for any bids it was the EF and the BOD.l
LuvLSL

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#16 Sep 25, 2011
LSL Eastsider - let me set you straight on a few things:

1) Nobody resigned from E&F due to the BOD not following recommendations. People have resigned because this BOD bypassed all committees on their decision to waste $20k of our CA money. They decided to do this in secret meetings based on complaints from one family who complains about everything (and are charter members of the CLSLCM Watchers). After the measurements came back proving the dredge was not required.... they still moved forward to waste our money.
2)Jerry Knott turned the drinking issue into a political issue. One month he votes against a motion by Greg Jones to stop the BOD members from drinking at meetings. Then a few months later Jerry makes a motion to ban drinking at all meetings from all members due to "outburst from members". Then Jerry's followers fell in line and passed this motion. Remember Jerry is the same guy in a special BOD meeting who lost his temper and ripped a piece of paper out of Greg Jones's hand while swearing.
3) Make no mistake - Wayne W cancelled the Aug BOD Meeting at the last minute for one reason. That reason was to have the Watchers supported candidates avoid accountability to the members for their decision on the Paris Cove dredge. Wayne knew there were questions raised by the committees that would require a vote of the BOD. Since Jerry and Faye could not attend the meeting, Wayne would lose the vote. So he canceled the meeting at the last minute.

So the Watchers tell us to vote for their two candidates… that doesn’t seem like a good idea based on the actions of the people they supported on the current BOD.
Longtime CA Member

New York, NY

#17 Sep 26, 2011
LSL Eastsider (Watcher)-

You are absolutely correct, the BOD does not have to follow the recommendations of their committees. However, they are obligated to make those decisions in a public forum, and not behind closed doors as was the case with the payback they gave to one of their key supporters. You may not agree with some of the decisions made by past board members, but nothing they did smacks of corruption as much as this did. Like the Watchers themselves - who prefer to act in secrecy and refuse to provide a list of their board or members - these corrupt CA board members (that the Watchers support) don't seem to have any problem acting in secret and then cancelling meetings during which their actions were sure to be brought to light. Apparently, this board continues to believe that the ENDS justify the MEANS. I disagree, and feel that their actions should MEAN the END to their time on the board.
LuvLSL

San Diego, CA

#18 Sep 27, 2011
1) Nobody resigned from E&F due to the BOD not following recommendations. People have resigned because this BOD bypassed all committees on their decision to waste $20k of our CA money. They decided to do this in secret meetings based on complaints from one family who complains about everything (and are charter members of the CLSLCM Watchers). After the measurements came back proving the dredge was not required.... they still moved forward to waste our money.
2)Jerry Knott turned the drinking issue into a political issue. One month he votes against a motion by Greg Jones to stop the BOD members from drinking at meetings. Then a few months later Jerry makes a motion to ban drinking at all meetings from all members due to "outburst from members". Then Jerry's followers fell in line and passed this motion. Remember Jerry is the same guy in a special BOD meeting who lost his temper and ripped a piece of paper out of Greg Jones's hand while swearing.
3) Make no mistake - Wayne W cancelled the Aug BOD Meeting at the last minute for one reason. That reason was to have the Watchers supported candidates avoid accountability to the members for their decision on the Paris Cove dredge. Wayne knew there were questions raised by the committees that would require a vote of the BOD. Since Jerry and Faye could not attend the meeting, Wayne would lose the vote. So he canceled the meeting at the last minute.

So the Watchers tell us to vote for their two candidates… that doesn’t seem like a good idea based on the actions of the people they supported on the current BOD.
LSLDoc

Wentzville, MO

#19 Sep 27, 2011
Whoa what is going on here. It sounds as though I moved to the wrong place. I just found out that of Board had approved nearly 200,000 for new tennis courts that are played on by a handful of people.
Then no one wants to help dredge an area that interferes with a residents ability to launch his boat. I wonder if those same people would feel the same way if the Board refused to help someone dredge under his boat at a public dock that he rented and that he could not move it without scraping the bottom.
Longtime CA Member

New York, NY

#20 Sep 28, 2011
LSLDoc - Using your logic, I think the tennis courts (which I don't use) were a much better deal than the dredging. Why? Well, I don't know how many members of the tennis groups their are, but let's just say there are 30 (which I am sure is very low). This doesn't take into account all of the kids that play or take lessons, these are just the people that are part of a group and use the courts on a regular basis. The price of the new courts per person would come out to about $6,667 (and again, that is a conservative estimate). If two people are impacted by the "low" water in Paris Cove, that comes out to about $10,000 per person. And, I am pretty sure that the tennis courts are being used much more than the boats docked back in the cove. That, and the fact that we won't have to replace the courts in a few years like we will have to dredge again.

From what I understand, the committee determined that dredging was not required, so this is clearly just a favor for a supporter of four of the board members. And, from what I have learned, the property that is most impacted by the dredging may not actually be on the lake (it is on a creek that feeds the lake), and as such is not the responsibility of the CA to maintain.

Clearly, the CA BOD has every right to ignore their committees. And, they have the right to spend our money as they see fit to maintain CA common ground. What bothers me is that they did this behind closed doors and have refused to face their membership (by cancelling the August meeting) to provide answers as to why they did this. We can disagree about the need to dredge, and the value of that dredging, but the manner in which they acted is the real problem here.
LSLDoc

Wentzville, MO

#21 Oct 2, 2011
We still need to remember that the CA is for everyone not just for a few. We have no right to judge a need based upon how many it impacts but rather the fairness of it.
The approval by the BOD either in public or in executive sessions is a mute point. If we don't like the decisions we can vote them out.
Remember there were two distinct factions voting so some of both approved the dredging.

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