Smoking Ban Starts In Lake St. Louis Friday

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mamasmurf

Wilmington, MA

#1 Oct 1, 2010
it's total BS that the Mayor and 4 Alderman get to decide whats good for the city of Lake St. Louis, we the resdients should've had a say in it. They have no idea how they are going to impact the local pub & grills. Their businesses are going to suffer, how are these folks going to be able to support their familes when they have no money coming in. I can only hope that St. Charles county lets the people have a say. If you don't like smokey places then don't hang out in the bars ! Breaks my heart to see my friends businesses suffering.
Rune04

O Fallon, MO

#2 Oct 1, 2010
Remember when the "smoking ban" only applied to a place that sold a certain percentage of food? I hope this makes people think before they allow the government to start banning other things.
palin4prez

Saint Charles, MO

#3 Oct 1, 2010
All of St. Charles county and city needs to do this!!!! I am sick of smelling the smoke! Cigarette smoke is nasty!!!
Darwin

Troy, MO

#4 Oct 1, 2010
too many deaths directly attributed to the cancers caused by cigarettes. too high of medical costs to care for the effects of smoking.

Ban cigarettes entirely.
An American

United States

#5 Oct 1, 2010
Ah just one more thing that the government gets to tell us what to do.I quit smoking 14 years ago and it still yanks my chain that people cry about other people smoking. If I do not want to be around smoke then I do not go to a place that has a smoking environment , its real simple. Places that I do go to , that I know have a smoking environment like a bar or casino the air ventilation systems work very well. I say if you dont like it then dont go there.We need to stop the government from taking our rights away with out our input.
kdubken

Farmington, MO

#6 Oct 1, 2010
We have all these no smoking bans with out any conclusive proof that second hand smoke is a health hasard; only that it smells bad.
FreedomFan

New York, NY

#7 Oct 1, 2010
Of course smoking is bad for you, and probably for the people around you. But as long as tobacco is legal to grow, sell and smoke, LSL has no business telling people where they can and can not smoke. Besides infringing on the rights of businesses and individuals, it continues to send a message to voters that government is smarter than they are, something government has proven time and time again not to be true. People can choose where to eat or drink without goverment assistance. If they want to dine where smoking is allowed, that should be up to them. If they choose not to, they can go elsewhere.

As Americans, we have certain rights which are spelled out for us in the Constitution. The government has shown little respect for those rights, yet they want to create rights out of thin air, like the right for people to eat anywhere they want without being irritated by smoke. I'm pretty sure the founding fathers would be outraged by this over-reach by LSL.
Rune04

O Fallon, MO

#8 Oct 1, 2010
There are many more places that don't allow smoking than do, but that isn't enough for the non-smokers. Since there are more places that are non-smoking, just go to those places and leave the rest alone. Oh I forget, many of you are liberal and think that your station in life is to tell the rest of the world how to live.
Mr_Wizard

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#9 Oct 1, 2010
People who smoke inside public buildings are no different than people who pee in public swimming pools. Ignorant, selfish and inconsiderate. I do think bars should be an exception, though. These kind of people have to have somewhere to go.

Since: Sep 10

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Oct 1, 2010
Just one more reason to not go to Lake St Louis.
William D Jones

Aurora, CO

#11 Oct 1, 2010
Hey Do you think you can live forever? Life causes Death with no cure. Screw the public.
Kathy Jackson

United States

#12 Oct 1, 2010
mamasmurf wrote:
it's total BS that the Mayor and 4 Alderman get to decide whats good for the city of Lake St. Louis, we the resdients should've had a say in it. They have no idea how they are going to impact the local pub & grills. Their businesses are going to suffer, how are these folks going to be able to support their familes when they have no money coming in. I can only hope that St. Charles county lets the people have a say. If you don't like smokey places then don't hang out in the bars ! Breaks my heart to see my friends businesses suffering.
At least 50 are known carcinogens (cause cancer & leukaemai) and many are poisonous. Benzene a colourless cyclic hydrocarbon obtained from coal and petroleum, used as a solvent in fuel and in chemical manufacture and contained in cigarette smoke.

Formaldehyde a colourless liquid, highly poisonous, used to preserve dead bodies - also found in cigarette smoke. Known to cause cancer, respiratory, skin and gastrointestinal problems, Acetone used as a solvent to remove nail polish found in cigarette smoke, Tar, Nicotine, Carbon Monoxide & Arsenic (rat poison). I could go on and on but I think the point was made.

Smokers think they lost their freedom but what freedom did our children and non smokers have. Smokers choose to poison them selves and I say let them! But do it where you can only harm YOURSELF!!!
Kathy Jackson

United States

#13 Oct 1, 2010
At least 50 are known carcinogens (cause cancer & leukaemai) and many are poisonous. Benzene a colourless cyclic hydrocarbon obtained from coal and petroleum, used as a solvent in fuel and in chemical manufacture and contained in cigarette smoke.

Formaldehyde a colourless liquid, highly poisonous, used to preserve dead bodies - also found in cigarette smoke. Known to cause cancer, respiratory, skin and gastrointestinal problems, Acetone used as a solvent to remove nail polish found in cigarette smoke, Tar, Nicotine, Carbon Monoxide & Arsenic (rat poison). I could go on and on but I think the point was made.

Smokers think they lost their freedom but what freedom did our children and non smokers have. Smokers choose to poison them selves and I say let them! But do it where you can only harm YOURSELF!!!
Kathy Jackson

United States

#14 Oct 1, 2010
Rune04 wrote:
There are many more places that don't allow smoking than do, but that isn't enough for the non-smokers. Since there are more places that are non-smoking, just go to those places and leave the rest alone. Oh I forget, many of you are liberal and think that your station in life is to tell the rest of the world how to live.
Have you ever held the hand of a loved one dieing of cancer? Have you seen our youth & babies exposed to harmful cigarette & cigar smoke in family restaurants & public places? We have the opportunity to create a safe smoke free environment for those little voices that have no choice and maybe save a life of someone dear to you. Lets make it possible to live & breathe another day for everyone.
Kathy Jackson

United States

#15 Oct 1, 2010
Many studies have been published in the health industry literature on the economic effect of smoke-free policies. The majority of these government and academic studies have found that there is no negative economic impact associated with bans and many findings that there may be a positive effect on local businesses.

A review of 97 such studies of the economic effects of a smoking ban on the hospitality industry found that the "best-designed" studies concluded that smoking bans did not harm businesses

In 2003, New York City amended its anti-smoking law to include all restaurants and bars, including those in private clubs, making it, along with the California ban, one of the toughest in the United States. The city's Department of Health found in a 2004 study that air pollution levels had decreased sixfold in bars and restaurants after the ban went into effect, and that New Yorkers had reported less second-hand smoke in the workplace. The study also found the city's restaurants and bars prospered despite the smoking ban, with increases in jobs, liquor licenses, and business tax payments.
FreedomFan

New York, NY

#16 Oct 1, 2010
Kathy - I don't dispute the risks to being around smoke. I hate it, and avoid it. I don't go to places that allow smoking. My issue is with the freedom to make a choice. If you don't like the smoke in a certain business, don't go there. That is your choice, just as it is mine. And if a business wants to allow smoking, and push me away as a customer, that is their call, because it is their business and their money. If they make the wrong choice, and business suffers, that is their right. I don't know, or care, whether or not banning smoking hurts their business, because I think it should be up to them to make that decision.

If a parent is stupid enough to take their kids to a smoking establishment, that is their choice. Lots of bad parents out there. If you think kids need special protection from smoke, and you can prove the dangers, then go after the stupid parents. Again, let people make their own choices and then live with the consequences.

As for the employees of these businesses, they should be treated like any other employee at any other business. If there are hazards in the workplace, force the business to address them. There are already laws on the books to address this. We don't need more laws. Enforce the ones we already have first.
LSL resident

United States

#17 Oct 1, 2010
Well guess I better tell the wife its time to move to O'Fallon where there rights have not been taken. O well more things on the other side. Sorry lake saint louis there goes 10,000 more dollars our family will not be spending in this town. Give back our rights and ill spend our money in lake saint louis.
letsbereal

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Oct 1, 2010
lets see impose on the rights of the smokers or non-smokers?
The smokers cause great harm to the air we breath. The non-smoker cause no harm to the air we breath.

I vote in favor of the non-smokers...its about time their rights are being considered and protected!

In order to give one rights, the government must take the rights away from another. Majority rules.
FreedomFan

Jersey City, NJ

#19 Oct 1, 2010
What "rights" do the smokers have? The "right" to tell a business, one that they do not own and may never frequent, to operate? They can already shape a business' operations by electing to give them their money or not. I simply don't accept the premise that people have a "right" to eat in a restaurant, or drink in a bar. They don't.

If you go back to when the Constitution was being created, you'll note that there were very few "rights" defined in the document. There were, however, plenty of restrictions on what government could do. This is because the Framers, in their wisdom, recognized that the biggest threat to freedom is government action, not the action of individuals.

LSL Govt, leave us alone!
Judge_Jury

O Fallon, MO

#20 Oct 1, 2010
Darwin wrote:
too many deaths directly attributed to the cancers caused by cigarettes. too high of medical costs to care for the effects of smoking.
Ban cigarettes entirely.
Yes!! We should also ban cigars, alcohol, fast food, sugar, fat, caffeine, and that annoying CD packaging. They are a bitch to get open.

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