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Community Association violates civil rights

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Lake Saint Louis, MO

#1 Sep 23, 2010
I just saw on the Lake Saint Louis website, that a reminder that the CA bans political signs on any property in their boundaries.

This is nothing more than a violation of a persons first amendment rights.

Before some jackass says I sign a contract that allows them to enforce these rules, or that I should move if I don't like them, that is not the issue. the issue is that these HOA's should NEVER be allowed to trample the rights of citizens.

Another issue I have is that the CITY website is being used to convey messages that are from the CA!
Dr Kenneth Noisewater

Defiance, MO

#2 Sep 23, 2010
Oh the drama..

Wentzville, MO

#3 Sep 23, 2010

If you have a problem, then sue. If you don't want to sue, then put up the signs. Whining on a forum will get nothing done.

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#4 Sep 23, 2010
Thanks for the information LiSaLoser. I think I'll not take your advice, since it isn't right. I am not whining, I am presenting information that people need to know.

Are you whining that I posted on this a message on this message board? Sounds like it to me.
A resident

Wentzville, MO

#5 Sep 23, 2010
lisa you are just too ate up!! The rules are the rules and have been the rules since day one, why did you move here if you don't want to follow them? Are they supposed to change them because YOU don't like them? I am glad there is sign rule, those signs make the area look so hoosier! If you are my neighbor and put up a sign you can count on me either removing it or calling the CA and reporting you. I am the president of the Neighborhood Sign Watch Group (NSWG). We will be incorporating and asking for CA recognition just after we require the CA to hold a vote on whether you can dispute the no sign rule.
Another resident

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#6 Sep 23, 2010
Don't you people get it? The people of America are losing their rights. The freedom of speech should not be subject to a community association or any government body. It's in the US constitution.

I don't know, or care about the specifics of the sign rules, other than it is an infringment on the rights given by the 1st amendment.

We as American have lost so many rights in the past 16 years that it is amazing we can still choose our own outfits each morning.

Wentzville, MO

#7 Sep 24, 2010
You have your freedom of speech. You can stand all day long and talk about what candidates you like or don't like. But, there is no freedom of sign. You people are crazy!
Still another resident

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#8 Sep 24, 2010
A sign IS a part of freedom of speech. Before commenting, please have a basic understanding of the topic you are discussing. It makes you sound at least adequate to discuss the issue.
A resident

Wentzville, MO

#9 Sep 24, 2010
If you live here, you know you signed a paper relinquishing your right to put up a sign when you closed on your house. If your realtor didn't give you that information in closing then take it up with them. There are C&R's that are a part of a house closing in Lake Saint Louis, shame on you if you didn't read what you signed. So maybe you all should have exercised your freedom to read.

New York, NY

#10 Sep 24, 2010
The Lake Saint Louis community has made every effort to restrict signs since they day the association was created. And that is at the City and CA level, they both have fought to protect the community from looking like Hwy K or any other street polluted with hundreds of ugly signs. The CA's rules regarding signs are common among many homeowners associations. They are their to protect the beauty of the community, not to restrict speech. The problem is, sometimes those two issues conflict, so you might not be able to put your Carnahan sign in your yard. There are legal reasons why political signs get dragged into the kind of restrictions you're concerned about - anyone can claim that their sign is political! My sign advertising a tree service is my way of asking people to be green! It's political, because I say it is. Rules, unfortunately, often times have to be all or nothing. Otherwise they end up being nothing. I applaud the CA for protecting the aethetics of the community, and the City for providing a service by letting people know the rules within the CA. It is also helpful TO the City to clarify which rules apply inside and outside of the City, since they are not the same, and resident could get confused by seeing signs in one part of town but not be allowed to place the same signs in front of their homes.

Columbia, MO

#11 Sep 25, 2010
If you don't want to live in an area with rules like this, don't move there. The rules were there first.

Wentzville, MO

#12 Sep 25, 2010

Are you the type of person that moves next to train tracks.....and then tries to get the city to move the tracks because it's too loud?
I Love It

O Fallon, MO

#13 Sep 25, 2010
I live in LSL and I love the fact that there aren't thousands of signs on every corner! LSL looks so much cleaner, then say O'Fallon with not only political signs, but ads and garage sale signs left off long after the sale is over! It's trashy! I am THANKFUL for the rule!

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#14 Sep 25, 2010
I for one, agree that I should have the right to display a political sign. The issue isn't about signs for sales, those aren't political.

But, if you all are happy there with your limited rights, good for you.


#15 Sep 26, 2010
You do have the right to display in a political sign....if you don't live in an area that restricts them. Communities across the country pass ordinances, have restrictions, C&Rs, etc. Ever been to Hilton Head - they don't those high rise unsightly looking McDonalds, Hardees, TGI Fridays, etc. signs and they keep their trees. It looks so much better than a typical neighborhood. But you were aware of the restrictions when you decided to live here (or should have known). I for one am on the side of favoring this restriction.
I Love It

O Fallon, MO

#16 Sep 26, 2010
If its that big of deal to you, guess what? You have the right to MOVE. Put a for sale sign in that yard and move some place where you can happily trash up your yard all you want to. If its so important for you to let the world know who you are voting for--get out there and campaign for that person.
I am not sure if this would be against the rules, I'll have to check, but can you just put the sign in your window at home? My Aunts subdivision doesn't allow signs--she puts hers in her window.

Wentzville, MO

#17 Sep 26, 2010
i don't believe that "an association" can violate one's constitutional rights. only "the government" can be charged with the violation.

Chesterfield, MO

#18 Sep 27, 2010
I moved out of LSL because of all of the restrictions. I regretted moving there in the first place and don't miss it one bit. I'm loving my much cleaner and much more natural surroundings now. It's nice being able to do with my property what I want and not what someone else thinks is best. What a concept.
Current Resident

New York, NY

#19 Sep 27, 2010
Clearly LSL is not for everyone. Many of the people that live here like the restrictions, because they protect the look of the community. These restrictions are very common in planned communities. Of course, some do not, and some of those people move on to a less restrictive environment. I do have an issue with people moving into an area with rules that have been in place for several decades and they want to change or ignore those rules. While they have a right to feel that way, I have a right to be angry with them for trying to ruin a good thing. If you don't like the rules, PLEASE don't move here.

Springfield, MO

#20 Sep 27, 2010
ex-resident wrote:
I moved out of LSL because of all of the restrictions. I regretted moving there in the first place and don't miss it one bit. I'm loving my much cleaner and much more natural surroundings now. It's nice being able to do with my property what I want and not what someone else thinks is best. What a concept.
good - that's what you should have done. If you regretted moving there in the first place, then why did you? If you changed your mind after you moved there, that's understandable. It's not for everyone.

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