Burnsville troop leader charged with molesting scouts

[Concerned]

Hez_West-St-Paul wrote:

To concerned-
1. My regards to you and your family and friends for any pain or misery you and your family, friends, and community have suffered as a result of not knowing where Jacobs abducter was, and for the fear that he may strike again.
2. My sources of information are as follows
1. Empathic
2. St. Paul Pioneer Press- Saturday 10/31 local section.
3. Minneapolis Star and Tribune 10/22/2009
pulled up on Internet key words: Peter Stibal Burnsville man - this is the article that stated that his "big lake cabin", was one of the sites that cubs claim they were abused at, and consequently was one of the several times that Peter Stibal broke the "two deep rule" that states that no scoutmaster ever be alone with the cubs, or any one cub- not only for the cubs protection but to protect the scoutmaster, lest allegations arise that he/she may have abused children.
5. Finally, the website that was listed on your first reply to me, www. charlieproject.org/cases/w/wetterling , is where I saw the police sketches of what is recalled that the abducter looked like 20 years ago.
Please, before you do anything else after reading this, I implore you to compare either twin cities local newspapers headshot of Peter Stibal, with that of the the police sketches found at the above mentioned website-charlieproject.org/cases/w/wetterling .
Do you see what I see? Peter Stibal's photo in our area newspapers, is an extreme lookalike to the police sketches.
4.

Thank you Hez for the compassion you expressed to me and my family and the small community I lived in. It is appreciated.

The reason I asked where your sources were that stated "Big Lake", is because I know for a fact, the family cabin referenced in all the news articles is not on Big Lake, because it's on the lake near my family cabin in Stearns County.

I'm also quite familiar with the Boy Scout's "two deep rule" as I have 2 sons that have been in Boy Scouts with my oldest all the way through his Eagle project in high school in Cold Spring. It is unfortunate that Peter Stibal didn't follow that rule.

I do know what Peter Stibal looked like 20 years ago, and there is no resemblence then to the sketches of the alleged abductor of Jacob Wetterling. I would like to put your mind at ease on this one.

[Hez_West-St-Paul]

Dear concerned,
Well, if I take your word for the fact that Stibal's cabin is on the same lake as yours, that would mean that the www.minneapolisstarandtribune.com 10/22/2009 artical about Peter Stibal's cabin location is false, or that perhaps he had access to another family members cabin, and the public was misinformed. I can believe that the media doesn't always get their facts straight, reporters and their sources are imperfect just like the rest of us, and make mistakes. Even though you claim that you know what Peter Stibal looked like twenty years ago, and claim that he doesn't look anything like the original police sketches of Jacob Wetterlings abductor twenty years ago,( which oddly enough can be seen on the website you yourself are affiliated with and provided in your earlier initial reply to me at www.Charlieproject.org/w/wetterling , you haven't looked at the media headshot of Pioneer Presses 10/22/2009 current headshot of Peter Stibal and compared it to the original police sketches of Jacob's abductor from 20 years ago. They are a match to everyone I've shown them to. Straight up, concerned- did you look for yourself at those original sketches, on your website infact- and compare them to the current local headshot the pAper St. Paul Pioneer Press' provided of Peyer Stibal on 10/22/2009( web users, look up Burnsville man Peter Stibal, and you will find it)? Or are you dependant on wishful thinking, that he doesn't match- perhaps because you knew him growing up, and don't want to even consider he could possibly be the one, or perhaps you just haven't looked at the suggested sites, one of them being you own! My guess is the latter, or you are blind or getting there, as not only does he almost exactly 90%, on my poll, but he does match the FBI profile for Jacobs abductor created twenty years ago. Again at your site www.charlieproject.org/w/wetterling , people can see those police sketches and compare them to the current Stibal headshot, and read that back then Stibal would have been 24years old, and only one year younger than the FBI profile of the abductor which was 25-35 years old. Please everyone out there, and especially you, concernerd- don't waste everone's time saying Peter Stibal doesn't look like the local and federal authorities sketches of what the boys( Jakes brother and Jakes best friend said the abductor looked like, the referenced sites earlier speak for themselvs! Oh, and look up Stibal- just the last name on the web at Dex and choose Mn and near areas- there is a listing for a Jake Stibal. Farfetched? You decide!

[Von Mises]

Concerned wrote:

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I didn't say the forum has "convicted him", I stated has "accused him"

Ok, maybe I was trying to be too clever. Let me try again: Your post was full of nonesense.. "accused as guilty" I mean really...

[Hez_West-St-Paul]

Felix the Wonderful Cat- reply
THANK YOU!!!!!! I'm so glad that you looked on Charliepoject.org/w/wetterling and saw the police sketches of what Jacob Wetterling's abducter looked like twenty years ago! Then, you actually compared those pix to the current headshot of Peter Stibal ( Burnsville man accused of molesting several of his cubscouts since 2000? at four different Mn locales) that the Minneapolis Star and tTribune newspaper published on 10/22/2009. You thought Peter Stibal, was a lookalike to Jacob's abductor's police sketches twenty years ago. In response to your question" I agree he looks like the sketches, what dis Peter Stibal look like Twenty years ago? I say, face shapes don't change much in twenty years from age 24- to age 44( Peter stibal's age now) I don't think feature to feature proximity changes much either. I think the authorities could benifit by questioning his photos( headshots) from 1989! Hez- West St. Paul

[Hez_West-St-Paul]

Von Mises wrote:

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Be great to close that case, but I think the odds are against it. I'm sure the police are following up--and hope I am wrong.
PS. The web site links you posted do not work.

Von Mises,
Sorry that the web site(s) didn't work for you. I left out /cases/ on some of my links. Try: www.charlieproject.org/cases/w/wetterling
at this link, scroll down, and then, you can see the police sketches of Jacob's abducter at the time he went missing. Back then, Peter Stibal was 24 years old. Then look up the Minneapolis Star and Tribune newspaper's 10/22/2009 story about "Burnsville man accused of molesting troop #650 cubscouts. The current headshot of Peter Stibal is located in this report. I think Peter Stibal's 44yr old Headshot, is a dead ringer, an eerie yet quite likely match to the sketches of the man that took Jake. I don't think it is improbable that even though 20 years have gone by, that this uncanny likeness. could and should widen the investigation on Peter Stibal. This man had in his possession at his home, videos of children giving oral sex to one another, seized by police out of his home!( read this at the top of this forum's site, "Burnsville Man...) Peter Stibal is accused of several felony's involving sexual abuse of boys as young as eleven ( Jake Weeterling's age at the time he was abducted 10/22/1989. Being that Peter Stibal has consistantly held jobs that involve being around chilldren: scoutmaster troop#650, bus driver serving special needs chilldren, and has been actively involved in youth activities at the church where he is a lifelong member. Where do pedaphiles like to work, and hang out? Everywhere there are children. My guess from his history of employment and volunteering he has been doing since 2000, has been going on since he was aware that he liked young prepubescent boys, perhaps 20 years ago, at his cabin- which was located in proximatey to Jake's abduction. Given all the facts, I think it quite plausable, and I hope authorities are looking into Stibal's past, and his wherabouts. Von Mises- look up those sketches and compare them to Stibal now, and keep in mind. That face shapes and feature proximatey, doesn't change much from 24to 44yrs of age, the only changes for a man would be hairline, receeding or balding, and wrinkles. Given all this, please let me know what you thought of the photo and sketch comparison.
Thanks, Hez of West St. Paul
( Burnsville, Apple Valley, Eagan Mn)

[Hez_West-St-Paul]

Von Mises- Also when you get to charlieyproject.org there is a search option in the middle of the page that gives you the option of www search, or search within Charley. Click on within Charlie, and type
Jacob Wetterling in the seach window. Once you do this, you will need to click on information about Jacob's abduction. Once you see the page of Jacob pop up, you will see several photos of Jake at the top of the page. This is the page that you scoll down until you see the police sketches of Jakes abdutor. Then go back to the forum you and I have been typing on about the Burnsville Man, Peter Stibal, and on the first page of this forum, you can click on read full story. When the story comes up, so does the same headshot of Stibal that area newpapers have been using. I hope this helps you, and any others interested get to the sources, so you all can make up your own
minds on whether Stibal looks now, liike Jake Wetterling's abductor then. If you think so, please come back to this forum and let me know.
Thanks All,
Hez- West St. Paul

[Von Mises]

Hez_West-St-Paul wrote:

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Von Mises,
Sorry that the web site(s) didn't work for you....

Thanks, I did get a look at the materials you referred to.

[Hez_West-St-Paul]

Von Mises wrote:

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Thanks, I did get a look at the materials you referred to.

Von Mises,
I'm glad you found the links. Did you think Stibal's current headshot looked like the sketches of Jacob Wetterling's abductor from 20 years ago?
Hez
West St. Paul, Mn

[Hez_West-St-Paul]

Reply to Hirudo post 10-21-09

I just wanted to thank you for the research that you did, and then brought to us via this forum. It's nice to see statements substantiated by links to research, but it is wonderful that you took the time to type out what you found for those of us reading!

Hez
West St. Paul

[Beetle]

I have to agree with Hez, from West St. Paul, on her prior posts.
Peter Stibal, Scoutmaster of Boyscouts Troop #650, does look very much like the police sketches of Jacob Wetterling's abductor. I think it's definately worth St. Joseph, Mn police, Stern's County Sherrif's and the F.B.I. looking into as he seems to not only match the description, but seems to have a taste for young boys. Maybe, if the presses photo of Stibal at 44 yrs. Does 't match photo's of what he looked like 20 years ago at age 24 don't match each other closely. It's worth looking into Stibal's own father. The Stibal l, may look much like his son Stibal II, at age 44. Child molesters themselves, are often survivors of sexual abuse ( I'm speaking of those victims who where unable to address and heal, with professional help of clergy or therapists) It will be worth looking Into just for Wetterling's family incase Stibal was invovled on that case. Oh, and that dex lookup of Stibal's in Mn, did have a Jake listed. If he is 31 years old, that would be really wierd!

[leroy]

white guys again? dangit....

[Felix the Wonderful Cat]

leroy wrote:

white guys again? dangit....

What!.... are you JEALOUS? Your a sick man....

[JPJ]

This guy was involved in three youth organizations. Why does Boy Scouts get the bad rap?

[Beetle]

JPJ wrote:

This guy was involved in three youth organizations. Why does Boy Scouts get the bad rap?

Whatcha think? The press hasn't recorded
anyone from his youth group or from the kids he drove for first student buses. Do you know something we all don't ?