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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#62135 Nov 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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rabbee: how can anyone claim as you did, that secular is not a religion that disavows G-D.
HughBe--- SECULAR is NOT a religion. Here is a dictionary's definition. Note, it is not my PRIVATE opinion.
Secular: "not having any connection with religion"
So secular if it has no connection cannot be a religion.
Next, secular does not say that there is no god it says I do not not know if there is a god or I am not connected to any god.
rabbee: so you think a dictionary, written by fallible men cannot lie? if you are religiously refusing to discuss, G-D as commanded here in TheTorah. then that is your demonic religion, of the more subtle than any other pagan talking beast of the fields. even lions, tigers, zebras, and trees all have their religious differences. even an occult religion, is still a religion. neither G-D nor i anymore, are buying your philosophy there can be any critter without a religion. when that's what makes them, more subtle than any of you religiously.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#62136 Nov 7, 2013
you! are all religious creatures of habits religiously. whether religiously for, or against G-D here in TheTorah. as even i got, all my religious habits from G-D. and is assigned, according to our mental attitude, for or against G-D here in TheTorah.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62137 Nov 7, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: oh come on, this whole world is not here in TheTorah mentally sick. this is why there is such, diversity religiously. resulting in hell and death, from pestilence, plague, and famine. rejection of G-D here in TheTorah, will make you all diversely insane in religious idolatry.
your disbelief of G-D, here in TheTorah, has resulted in the insanity of the religious worship of halooseefers idolatrous homosexuality. like all other, mental illness against G-D. the degree of insanity, is inversely proportional to your actual distance from G-D here in TheTorah. i suggest you all go no further from G-D, here in TheTorah. least your dementia, become permanently irreversible.
Adam--- the degree of insanity, is inversely proportional to your actual distance from G-D here in TheTorah.

HughBe--- I believe that you have it in the reverse order. Effectively you have said that as the distance from God increases the insanity decreases. Think about it.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62138 Nov 7, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well i would say that, everyone not here in TheTorah. thinks they are, some kind of high priest.
I am no priest, I am a witness of truth.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62139 Nov 7, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: so you think a dictionary, written by fallible men cannot lie? if you are religiously refusing to discuss, G-D as commanded here in TheTorah. then that is your demonic religion, of the more subtle than any other pagan talking beast of the fields. even lions, tigers, zebras, and trees all have their religious differences. even an occult religion, is still a religion. neither G-D nor i anymore, are buying your philosophy there can be any critter without a religion. when that's what makes them, more subtle than any of you religiously.
Dictionaries provide what is called STANDARD or accepted meaning. Where the problem is in when someone has a PRIVATE meaning that no one else accepts or knows about.

Let us use poison as an example.

Dictionary--Poison= something that can kill or make you sick.

A private -- poison=food.

Do you see the problem?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62140 Nov 7, 2013
goodbye
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#62141 Nov 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Adam--- the degree of insanity, is inversely proportional to your actual distance from G-D here in TheTorah.
HughBe--- I believe that you have it in the reverse order. Effectively you have said that as the distance from God increases the insanity decreases. Think about it.
rabbee: i said inversely proportional, not proportional. inversely proportional, results in the square of the distance. twice the distance, decreases flux by a factor of 4.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#62142 Nov 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Dictionaries provide what is called STANDARD or accepted meaning. Where the problem is in when someone has a PRIVATE meaning that no one else accepts or knows about.
Let us use poison as an example.
Dictionary--Poison= something that can kill or make you sick.
A private -- poison=food.
Do you see the problem?
rabbee: and a standard accepted from the lying devil, only makes you true to the devil. it's still, a false bias point.

and how did you derive food, from that definition of poison? there was no mention, of food there. you do not have to eat, all poison for it to harm you.

the term secular is nothing more, than a deception. there is nothing in this physical totality, that is derived with secularism from G-D. even freud stated, man is a religious creature of habit.

as i gave plenty of qualifiers, for the reasoning from G-D. and it is not my private definition, since i got this from G-D.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#62143 Nov 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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I am no priest, I am a witness of truth.
rabbee: what do you think, a priest is? they are all at least an alleged, witness of some kind of alleged truth. the word priest and truth, are not necessarily synchronous.
wap

United States

#62144 Nov 7, 2013

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#62145 Nov 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Frijoles--We differ in our definition of religious
HughBe---My definition of RELIGIOUS is standard and NORMAL and the sane people of the world accept it and it is to be found in the dictionaries of the world.
You private definition is to be found among those that are "special"
It made no sense to read beyond your opening CS.
In other words, you know jacksht about Jews, nor do you have any interaction with orthodox Jews, nor do you wish to learn about Jews, and yet you have opinions...worth about zero
snuffalufagous

Huntsville, AL

#62146 Nov 7, 2013
bow down everyone! The Saffardic Jew has arrived! BooooYaaaaaaa! Adam and Frijoles and Hugh btfu!
snuffalufagous

Huntsville, AL

#62147 Nov 7, 2013
I am Jew! Saffardic!
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62148 Nov 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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In other words, you know jacksht about Jews, nor do you have any interaction with orthodox Jews, nor do you wish to learn about Jews, and yet you have opinions...worth about zero
In other words you are a DUNCE load of faeces.

Why do you persists to speak as if all Jews are alike?

Why do YOU persist to DISRESPECT the Jewish people?

Why do you persist with your INSULTS of Jews?

Why do persist to INSULT the INTELLIGENCE of Jews?

Why do you LOVE to tell LIES?

I have told you that I have worked with Jews as colleagues. They were regular Jamaicans. At that time I had no interest in RELIGION and so I did not ask any of them if they were Orthodox Judahites, Christians or otherwise. We spoke about work and had normal everyday conversation. Note, none of them were LIARS like you.

Do you feel that any of my Jewish relatives are half-witted CRUFFS like you?

If a Jew says he is an atheists, RESPECT him and his rights.

Once again ,what is your obsession with Orthodox Judahites?

Again , is the sect of Orthdox Judahites the largest group of Judahites?

Give the percentage of the Orthodox in terms of the Jewish population and also in terms of adherents to Judaism and state the your point that you are yet to make about Orthodox Judahites.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62149 Nov 7, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: what do you think, a priest is? they are all at least an alleged, witness of some kind of alleged truth. the word priest and truth, are not necessarily synchronous.
adam---the word priest and truth, are not necessarily synchronous.

HughBe--- correct
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#62151 Nov 7, 2013
snuffalufagous wrote:
bow down everyone! The Saffardic Jew has arrived! BooooYaaaaaaa! Adam and Frijoles and Hugh btfu!
rabbee: you left out, the letter t in saffardic.
Voluntarist

United States

#62152 Nov 7, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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In other words, you know jacksht about Jews, nor do you have any interaction with orthodox Jews, nor do you wish to learn about Jews, and yet you have opinions...worth about zero
What do you know about jacks turds have you been pushing them?

What do you think about your liar in chief now?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62153 Nov 7, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: and a standard accepted from the lying devil, only makes you true to the devil. it's still, a false bias point.
and how did you derive food, from that definition of poison? there was no mention, of food there. you do not have to eat, all poison for it to harm you.
the term secular is nothing more, than a deception. there is nothing in this physical totality, that is derived with secularism from G-D. even freud stated, man is a religious creature of habit.
as i gave plenty of qualifiers, for the reasoning from G-D. and it is not my private definition, since i got this from G-D.
HughBe---Dictionaries provide what is called STANDARD or accepted meaning. Where the problem is in when someone has a PRIVATE meaning that no one else accepts or knows about.

Let us use poison as an example.
Dictionary--Poison= something that can kill or make you sick.
A private -- poison=food.
Do you see the problem?

rabbee: and a standard accepted from the lying devil, only makes you true to the devil. it's still, a false bias point.

HughBe--- noted

rabbee---and how did you derive food, from that definition of poison? there was no mention, of food there.

HughBe--- The point is that definitions must be standardized in order to ensure proper communication. That aside, you can get food from poison.

For example, poisonous foods like ;MUSHROOMS, pufferfish and castor beans which make castor oil.

Adam--the term secular is nothing more, than a deception.

HughBe--- Really? If I have nothing to do with any god I am SECULAR. Tell me the meaning of irreligious.

Tell me which god would I be worshipping if I reject all of them in this world.

Adam-- there is nothing in this physical totality, that is derived with secularism from G-D. even freud stated, man is a religious creature of habit.

HughBe--- His opinion is noted and dismissed as BS that it is.

I have a habit of washing my face and brushing my teeth the first thing in the mornings. This HABIT has nothing to do with any religion or god.

Some people have a habit of using the toilet meaning #2 before going to work or school and that HABIT has nothing to do with any god or religion.

The only god that would be involved in the above would be the god of #2 and oral hygiene.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#62154 Nov 7, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: i said inversely proportional, not proportional. inversely proportional, results in the square of the distance. twice the distance, decreases flux by a factor of 4.
Adam--- the degree of insanity, is inversely proportional to your actual distance from G-D here in TheTorah.

HughBe--- Effectively you have said that as the distance from God increases the insanity decreases. Think about it.

rabbee: i said inversely proportional, not proportional. inversely proportional, results in the square of the distance. twice the distance, decreases flux by a factor of 4.

HughBe--- Reread my words and ask someone with sense. Note, that would rule out Frijoles. Try Joel and it is a pity that Dovid is no longer here as I have confidence that he would know.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#62155 Nov 7, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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HughBe --Psychotherapy and depending on the severity of the disorder it is coupled with medication.
Liam---And just how is that supposed to change their genetically determined sexual orientation? Or is it just to teach them to be ashamed and hide who they are?
HughBe--- Give me the link that supports your claim that the disorder is genetically based. Is this position generally accepted in the scientific community?
The genetic connection is becoming more widely accepted as the evidence continues to come in.

Direct study of genes:
Part 1 of 2

Dean Hamer, and his colleagues at the National Cancer Institute collected family data from the families of 114 gay men. 15 They found out which, if any, of their siblings, parents, cousins, uncles etc. were also gay. They quickly determined that homosexuality runs in families. By itself, these results show nothing. They might indicate that homosexuality is genetically caused, or might show that it is caused by upbringing, by some hormonal levels in the womb or some other environmental factor that appears in some family lines more than other.

Further studies showed that "There were increased rates of gay people among family members genetically related to each other even when raised apart in different households." This reinforced the possibility that genetic factors might cause people to become gay. However, these observations were not conclusive; they were merely suggestive.

What proved the genetic nature of "gayness" was a pedigree test. This type of study examines the sexual orientation of the ancestors of many gay adults - both on their father's and mother's side. Some possible results from a pedigree study on Hamer's sample of gay adults would be:

1. An approximately equal number of gays might be found on the mothers' side of the family, when compared to the fathers' side. Some gays may have many gay ancestors on their mother's side, whereas other gays may see the same effect on their father's side. But when all the results were lumped together, if the total numbers would be about equal, then the results could point to:
* "Gayness" being caused by environmental factors, or
* "Gayness" being caused by some gene on a chromosome other than the X chromosome.
2. A much larger number of gays might be found on the mother's side of the family. This would show conclusively that not only was the gene passed genetically, but that it is located somewhere on the X chromosome - since men always get their X chromosome only from their mother. This is called the "maternal effect." It is well known in genetics.

The researchers found that the second result was observed. A gay male from the population that Hamer studied would notice that more of his mother's brothers will be gay than his father's brothers; so too with the various classes of maternal cousins when compared to his paternal cousins. Thus, much male homosexuality is caused by a gene on the X chromosome. Hamer went on to find the approximate location on the chromosome where the gay-causing gene was located. He found that many of his subjects had an identical sequence on the Xq28 region of their X chromosome. This shows the approximate location of the "gay gene." Researchers speculated that a group of interacting genes (including one in this region) might be found to determine sexual orientation in males. This prediction came to pass. The statistical "p" value is a measure of the significance of a test: the probability that it could have happened by chance. P values less than 0.01 (1%) are considered very significant. The Hamer study had a P factor of 0.00001, and so is considered extremely reliable.

The DNA of 36 pairs of lesbian sisters were also studied; no corresponding pattern has yet been found.

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