Legislators work to delay evictions at Kahana Valley - News

Windward Oahu lawmakers sought yesterday to postpone further the evictions of six Kahana Valley families. Full Story
Kamuela

Hauula, HI

#1 Oct 28, 2008
I think the best long-term solution would be to allow for fee-simple land ownership. Keep the park designation for the bay area. transfer control from DLNR. Do not allow for more lots, but then I assume that this is part of the koolauloa dev. plan already. Do not allow subletting. And install plumbing into that kam mon store that the state built for $327,000, that is in the flood zone but foolishly not built up.

wait.. if the kam mon store can be built for an excessive amount of money, in a flood zone, and be justified because if its historical significance, what does that say about the families being kicked out, which have been there longer? Maybe they can get a historical significance designation as well.
Made in Hawaii

Apo, AE

#2 Oct 28, 2008
Mister Miyagi will be surprise when he gets up on Tuesday morning; so now you can see that our politicians are using their mind and hearts to remedy this spontaneous eviction issue. A delay is always good for all government agencies to get involve and decide what's best and fair for Kahana homesteaders; they are homesteaders and not homeless. Mahalo

Red Raider Alumnus
Big J-Hawaii Kai

United States

#3 Oct 28, 2008
What a mess! Isn't it interesting that our State always pulls something like this just before Christmas. Can't blame the director of DKNR for this mess, as she is just following the law. Make sure that it's placed right on the legislature.
kapaa

Lihue, HI

#5 Oct 28, 2008
we should all just move over there been a problem area since the 70's when the developers were first going to build there...state ineptness from the start. if I was living there I would just keep on going and anyone that trespases would be shot
Caught

Honolulu, HI

#6 Oct 28, 2008
You yahoos have been getting away with free land for generations. Beat it! Clean up the place, scavenge the metals, and bulldoze the squatters' shacks. They were never legal or meant to be. Hooray for Law and Order.

Strategy. Wait a few days when readers get tired of the story and the crowd thins out. Then charge with SWAT, flashing cop cars, and beefy Catepillar destroyers. Make sure SB takes a lot of pics so you can sell more papers.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#7 Oct 28, 2008
Lett hese people stay and maybe earn their rent by cleaning up the park, maintaining it, etc. We do not need more homeless people under Lingle's atrocious term in office.
Bill in Kailua

Washington, DC

#8 Oct 28, 2008
Made in Hawaii wrote:
Mister Miyagi will be surprise when he gets up on Tuesday morning; so now you can see that our politicians are using their mind and hearts to remedy this spontaneous eviction issue. A delay is always good for all government agencies to get involve and decide what's best and fair for Kahana homesteaders; they are homesteaders and not homeless. Mahalo
Red Raider Alumnus
"Spontaneous eviction"?????

If the lease on my apartment was up 13 years ago, and my landlord came to me in June and said I have 4 months to find someplace else to live, you'd call it "spontaneous eviction" when the police arrived to put me out of the apartment after I did nothing to comply with his demand????

Only in The Banana Republic of Hawaii.
A Businessman

Buena Park, CA

#9 Oct 28, 2008
There had to have been a lot of discussion by the legislators on why they refused to change the law when Senator Hee introduced new bills twice in the past. Why can't the SB find out what their concerns were? Were there legitimate reasons for killing the previous bills? Seems like we're not getting all the info and everybody is reacting out of emotion.
Let them stay

Honolulu, HI

#10 Oct 28, 2008
I think that the state should let these 6 families stay in the valley. There should be no expansion, but I honestly can't see what good purpose is served by kicking them out on the street. We have enough people living on beaches and on the street as it is, why make even more people homeless?

I applaud Colleen Meyer and Senator Hee for working with the DLNR to come up with some kind of resolution. If the Legislature had just listened to Senator Hee's bills before, we wouldn't be in this mess.

And you know what, I applaud Laura Thielen for taking action. Whether eviction is the right thing to do or not, her predecessors certainly didn't want to make the tough decisions, and that's why it's been 13 years since somebody tried to resolve this. Thielen is doing the right thing by trying to push for a resolution. Let's hope she is willing to accept a compromise as resolution for this situation.
Made in Hawaii

Apo, AE

#11 Oct 28, 2008
Bill in Kailua wrote:
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"Spontaneous eviction"?????
If the lease on my apartment was up 13 years ago, and my landlord came to me in June and said I have 4 months to find someplace else to live, you'd call it "spontaneous eviction" when the police arrived to put me out of the apartment after I did nothing to comply with his demand????
Only in The Banana Republic of Hawaii.
Wonder why the landloud took so so long; spontaneous meaning when the blue lights showed up and it actually happen...symantics?
Bill

Honolulu, HI

#12 Oct 28, 2008
Its election year, you'll see some great efforts.
Why

Montgomery, AL

#13 Oct 28, 2008
"You yahoos have been getting away with free land for generations. Beat it! Clean up the place, scavenge the metals, and bulldoze the squatters' shacks. They were never legal or meant to be. Hooray for Law and Order."
"Spontaneous eviction"?????
"If the lease on my apartment was up 13 years ago, and my landlord came to me in June and said I have 4 months to find someplace else to live, you'd call it "spontaneous eviction" when the police arrived to put me out of the apartment after I did nothing to comply with his demand????
Only in The Banana Republic of Hawaii. "
So True So True - Why are they allowed to BREAK the LAW, rules are rules. Not some rules for some people... WTF
Do we want all the children growing up in Hawaii to see this type of behavior "hell no we wont go"
That sets a real good example....Yeah
Why

Montgomery, AL

#14 Oct 28, 2008
"You yahoos have been getting away with free land for generations. Beat it! Clean up the place, scavenge the metals, and bulldoze the squatters' shacks. They were never legal or meant to be. Hooray for Law and Order."

"Spontaneous eviction"?????

"If the lease on my apartment was up 13 years ago, and my landlord came to me in June and said I have 4 months to find someplace else to live, you'd call it "spontaneous eviction" when the police arrived to put me out of the apartment after I did nothing to comply with his demand????

Only in The Banana Republic of Hawaii. "

So True So True - Why are they allowed to BREAK the LAW, rules are rules. Not some rules for some people... WTF

Do we want all the children growing up in Hawaii to see this type of behavior "hell no we wont go"
That sets a real good example....Yeah
Kaaawa

United States

#15 Oct 28, 2008
Let them Stay! They have been in Kahana for years! They are good families & help to keep am eye on things. Lena often makes the baked goods for our church, etc

The Park is SAFER with families who care around!
The State was no money to upgrade the Park at this time, we don't need more homeless!
[Why is the State spending money on evictions: lawyers, marshals, etc when we are cutting back on our Schools & Libraries, ete ??) Let them stay! Have Faith we are praying for you!

"THEREFORE WALK IN THE WAY OF THE GOOD AND KEEP TO THE PATHS OF THE JUST. FOR THE UPRIGHT WILL ABIDE IN THE LAND, AND THE INNOCENT WILL REMAIN IN IT." Proverbs 2:20-21

Cuzzin

Phoenix, AZ

#16 Oct 28, 2008
kapaa wrote:
we should all just move over there been a problem area since the 70's when the developers were first going to build there...state ineptness from the start. if I was living there I would just keep on going and anyone that trespases would be shot
Kapaa, you said earlier to kick these people out, and something about squatters. And you even questioned how much Hawaiian they had. Did you read the other article, these families in there have ancestral rights to the valley. But the 6 families do also have ancestral rights but did not obtain there leases. These people in the Valley have more Hawaiian than YOU! They belong there. Its a shame how alot of you can drag these people down. I thought all Hawaiians suppose to stick together, maybe they do and you AINT a Hawaiian. Now you trying to change your story. Try take a cruise down there, and feel those Families, what they're feeling and what they're going through. Maybe you should be there to support them emotionally. Thats all they need is support from the Local people. What a shame some effect some of you have about this eviction. No eviction is good no matter who you are or what side of the island you're from. Show some support. Thanks and Goodluck to everyone affected by this.
Tita Nanakuli

Honolulu, HI

#17 Oct 28, 2008
We all should stick together,I support & may god bless them all.
A Townie who cares

Honolulu, HI

#19 Oct 30, 2008
alice wrote:
Lett hese people stay and maybe earn their rent by cleaning up the park, maintaining it, etc. We do not need more homeless people under Lingle's atrocious term in office.
The people who live in Kahana are not living on the land for free. They pay a monthly rate to stay on the land (see Kamuela's post from a few days ago for more details) and they maintain the lo'i and they give 25 hours per month to the state for public tours. The families who live in the ahupua'a are hard working farmers who should be allowed to keep their homes and keep producing food. Not only will some of these families become homeless -- ironic since they have homes already -- but they will not be able to work the lo'i and another source of food for our people will become obsolete. We shouldn't stand for it!

I say NO EVICTIONS, NOT NOW NOT EVER!
Anakele

Limerick, Ireland

#20 Oct 30, 2008
Albert Einstein once said "Never do anything against conscience even if the State demands it." These long term residents have a clear conscience, can the same be said of the legislators, DLNR, and other "State" enterprises who have conjured this episode on theirs?. It is a very sad reflection on humanity when officialdom can so callously serve eviction notices in this manner. For 230 years Native Hawaiians have been putting up with these assaults on their rights that is why these six families must stay. No more evictions.

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