municipal youth curfew

municipal youth curfew

There are 45 comments on the www.citizen.com story from Jan 25, 2010, titled municipal youth curfew. In it, www.citizen.com reports that:

Monday, January 25, 2010 The case for a municipal youth curfew once again seemed to flounder last week due to lack of supporting evidence, but the Laconia Police Commission again declined to act on the proposal, awaiting more data.

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bristol

#1 Jan 25, 2010
of course people will say that. the only way to make it fair is to pass it as a double bill. no more kids out at night and no one over 60
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

Chesterfield, UK

#2 Jan 26, 2010
On this basis, all us men should be curfewed from 6.30pm-7am as a few of our number choose to indulge in kerb-crawling in their cars, intimidating and harassing women for sex. Logical if you accept youth curfews as a means to stop a small minority of kids committing crime. Ah, but youth curfews protect kids .... Well most crime against kids is committed outside curfew hours. Maybe we men need protecting from ourselves ...? Youth curfews - a reminder that there are still those who believe in collective restrictions for the misdeeds of the few and enforce this on people who have no say. And then we say to kids we seek their respect. Right, of course they will ...
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#3 Jan 27, 2010
Perhaps some should practice some self control, and not bring down the restriction...
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

Chesterfield, UK

#4 Jan 28, 2010
Good ol'Spectator, always believes that every child out must be doing wrong. Curfews MAINLY affect those who do no wrong. Where's that good ol' Constitution we hear so much about when it suits? So if 'some' kerb-crawlers caused YOU to be curfewed, you'd accept that? Yeah of course. The point about liberty and freedom is that all are covered equally, before the law. Laws which breach that are (a) bad (b) anti-liberty and (c)(in your case) most likely unconstitutional but no one cares enough about the liberty of others less able to defend their rights to get your Supreme Court to give the right answer.

Collective restriction of all for the acts of a few - we said the Nazis were wrong, so why is this OK. Is your Land as Free as it should be? Perhaps resistance fighters should have stayed at home and then the Nazis wouldn't have rounded up the village ... Nuremburg settled that as an argument.

But on the matter of the few - hey police officers, what was your job did you say? Protect the majority by locking them indoors???? Wow. So as old ladies are liable to be mugged, we must keep them home too.
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#5 Feb 4, 2010
Jan Cosgrove - Mr wrote:
Good ol'Spectator, always believes that every child out must be doing wrong. Curfews MAINLY affect those who do no wrong. Where's that good ol' Constitution we hear so much about when it suits? So if 'some' kerb-crawlers caused YOU to be curfewed, you'd accept that? Yeah of course. The point about liberty and freedom is that all are covered equally, before the law. Laws which breach that are (a) bad (b) anti-liberty and (c)(in your case) most likely unconstitutional but no one cares enough about the liberty of others less able to defend their rights to get your Supreme Court to give the right answer.
Collective restriction of all for the acts of a few - we said the Nazis were wrong, so why is this OK. Is your Land as Free as it should be? Perhaps resistance fighters should have stayed at home and then the Nazis wouldn't have rounded up the village ... Nuremburg settled that as an argument.
But on the matter of the few - hey police officers, what was your job did you say? Protect the majority by locking them indoors???? Wow. So as old ladies are liable to be mugged, we must keep them home too.
Ahh, someone from another country speaking to OUR Constitution. Well my socialist friend, if you knew anything about our Constitution you would know that you don't have full Constitutional rights until you reach 18, so the local PD can institute any curfew they chose. This is to PROTECT others from vandalism and other petty crime from those that folks like you try to protect. There are consequences to actions, and when a minority of juveniles decide to use the cover of darkness to vandalize property and commit crimes, the curfew is put in place. Funny how just leftists and those looking to commit crime are the loudest in opposition.....guess you are just sore losers.....or maybe just plain losers....Cheers you UK Dickhead.
bill

Brunswick, ME

#6 Feb 4, 2010
why would we follow the constitution in this case when the government does not follow the constitution. the spectator only sees what he wants to see.
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

Chesterfield, UK

#7 Feb 4, 2010
Oh no rights if you're under 18? Clearly you need some of that good ol' socialism over there.

I don't think your Supreme Court would quite agree with you. Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children 's_rights#United_States_law

And what a rude person you are. Not the shining example of The Land of the Free.

Look my dad (Polish) lives over there, NJ, he fought Nazis and Soviets so people like you can rest in your beds at night, even abusive people.

My UK family goes back before your nation was created and knows a deal more about freedom than you appear to. We know you don't restrict a whole group to curb a small minority. Why don't you seem to understand such a simple principle?

And, by the way, don't you know we Brits can't seem to accept the idea of ltolerating loudmouths? Luckily I've visited your country and everyone I met was just fine, nice folk. Alas there have to be exceptions.

Shame on you. We stood with you on Iraq for the very freedoms you deny kids.
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#8 Feb 7, 2010
Jan Cosgrove - Mr wrote:
Oh no rights if you're under 18? Clearly you need some of that good ol' socialism over there.
I don't think your Supreme Court would quite agree with you. Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children 's_rights#United_States_law
And what a rude person you are. Not the shining example of The Land of the Free.
Look my dad (Polish) lives over there, NJ, he fought Nazis and Soviets so people like you can rest in your beds at night, even abusive people.
My UK family goes back before your nation was created and knows a deal more about freedom than you appear to. We know you don't restrict a whole group to curb a small minority. Why don't you seem to understand such a simple principle?
And, by the way, don't you know we Brits can't seem to accept the idea of ltolerating loudmouths? Luckily I've visited your country and everyone I met was just fine, nice folk. Alas there have to be exceptions.
Shame on you. We stood with you on Iraq for the very freedoms you deny kids.
Are you still upset because we kicked your ass back in 1776?
Good for your Dad, you have no idea what I have done in defense of MY country.
I am not very tolerant of arrogant, pompous Brits either, it always amazes me wherever I travel in the world, it is always a Brit who makes an ass out of himself first and foremost, you can almost make book on it.
Simple principle??....don't lecture me you socialist bastard, we have what you call individual freedom here in this country, kids do not get full rights until they are 18, until then THEIR PARENTS have a say over them. If their parents don't agree they can protest against it. But it is not a rights issue, children are under their parents control until they are 18.
I could care less about your family's roots, I go back to the second crusade, yes, ancestors were Templars.
You stood with us in Iraq???......we saved your sorry ass in WWII so zip it.
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

Chesterfield, UK

#9 Feb 7, 2010
Sad case, Spectator. You didn't enter that war until you were attacked, we went to war to fulfil a promise to stand by another nation when we could have stayed quiet and done a deal. At least I know how to recognise a friend. 1776? Haven't you progressed beyond the "Brits are coming"?

Whatever anyone did in the war to fight fascism, we're all to be grateful to them. We have freedom here too - and please avoid any knee-jerk stuff about the Queen, she's here because well before you existed as a nation, we settled who has the say, and that means we can become a republic anytime we want to, by vote of the people. Did you ever execute a President for crimes against his people?

Parents have a say, yes. But that's not the same as full control. And children do have rights, some of which are their precisely because they are kids

But a municipal curfew is not imposed by parents, it's imposed by the local authority, and cuts across parent's rights too. I've read the full transcript of the NY court judgment striking down the curfew there. It says that you need much better grounds in constitutional law than the opinions which formed the basis for the decision to create that curfew. The kids were seen there to have rights, parents also.

But you need to learn politeness. I found it in great amounts in NJ State, I am glad you are an exception generally.

The Templars - not known for humility in history. My roots have generally been "huddled masses", and it's us who need to run this world.

Socialist? I vote Labour, proud of it. I remember a stalinist once telling me that it was people like me they'd put up the wall first with our idea of rights, not the good ol' conservatives who at least understood, he said, the idea that you needed an iron fist to ensure control when it came to the line.

Ass? I don't think my entries sound like something braying. And never tell me to zip it. Freedom of speech?
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#10 Feb 9, 2010
You jackass, it doesn't matter when we entered the war, if we hadn't you would be part of Germany. Yes, you have the distinct honor of admitting that we first kicked your ass, and then saved your ass, facts are facts Jack, you don't get to frame the argument, you don't have a moral high ground, you are a pathetic socialist brit.
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

Chesterfield, UK

#11 Feb 10, 2010
Kicked ass? Did anyone mention Viet Nam, a country you had no business to be in? Where we wouldn't stand with you. Because it was wrong on every count.

If Germany had invaded recent war games played by German and Brit people from those times strongly suggest they would have faltered at a third line of inland defence and had their retreat to the sea cut off by the Royal Navy. Their plans were wholly inadequate in terms of supply, and they could not secure air supremacy. That was denied by the Battle of Britain and our fighter crews (even some good brave yanks not eaten up by 1776 helped out). The US was not there. It would have been a different war but no guarantee Hitler would have won. The minute he invaded Russia the game changed anyway.

Hitler gave up his plans to invade us before Pearl Harbour because we stopped him on our own. You were needed so we could liberate Europe. Thanks for that. Our brains also broke their best codes so we could know what they were thinking, our guys invented the first computer to do it. "In a few weeks Britain will have its neck wrung like a chicken". "Some neck, some chicken". Don't under-estimate us. Others have. They paid the price.

No one claimed moral high ground. Just that children have rights separate from their parents, a fact your own Supreme Court accepts. You are unable to accept that idea. Bad luck for you. You are a sad case fellah. Hope not to meet you next time I'm enjoying being in NJ State. And Hi to the good folk over there. Sorry for getting head to head with this guy, he has really got my goat. Not your best ambassador ....
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#12 Feb 12, 2010
I never claimed to be an ambassador, you limp wristed Brits tend to do that kind of garbage.
Yes, we kicked your ass, that was the first time your pathetic little country had been taught a lesson. Now as far as Viet Nam goes, everyone knows that the war could have been over in half the time if our politicians let the military fight the war.
We have never needed anything from you arseholes, only been there to help your sorry asses when you needed it. Now since your country is descending into deeper socialism, you will be right at home, good for ya.....and by the way, you wouldn't want to meet me, I would make sure you understood what I was saying, just like the colonists did to your jackass king.
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

UK

#13 Feb 13, 2010
What was it you were saying, Spectator, earlier about "who makes an ass out of himself first and foremost"? In your travels on the world-wide web I'd describe it by the saying we have here "if the cap fits wear it".

Limp-wristed - not a description the last guy would say of me I guess. Every country gets taught a lesson from time to time, that's history. Sometimes, we have been the teacher.

Do we learn the lessons? When loudmouths shout it's harder. Guys like you never did understand anything about the Vietnamese, people who resisted the Chinese for 2000 years, then the French, then the Japanese, then the French again, then the US. See, they didn't like foreigners running their country. I worked that out when I was a kid in the 1960s. Simple. You lost, full stop. Stop moaning about it.

Yeah we have a national insurance system, it means poor people get to have the best medicine and treatment we can all afford. If loudmouths like you didn't have so much influence you'd all find out it works and it is practical and affordable. Is that socialism? It is what the people here want - as politicians soon find out if they try to monkey with it too much.

No I wouldn't want to meet you, I am choosey about the people I meet. But if you spoke to me in person like you have here I'd still tell you what a rude, unpleasant twerp you are, for all your threats. It really is pathetic that you should make such a threat. Grow up. You are embarrassing.

You ran out of argument about the actual issue of this exchange several days back. Which is mister that it is wrong to curfew kids just because of their age. I do, however, support individual curfews for people who are violent, offensive or who make threats to others. We need such people off our streets, both sides of the Pond, so reasonable, peaceful folk don't have to put up with their unpleasantness.

To everyone else reading this, sorry about your problem over there. Spectator, enough, if all you can do is abuse, get lost. God Bless the USofA, God Save the Queen.
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#14 Feb 13, 2010
Sorry there you Limey Bastard, you haven't been right about one thing. Your economy is in worse shape than ours, but both are there because of non sustainable socialism, the difference is, we can fix ours, you can't. Once you leave your pathetic idealistic, anti individual freedom thoughts, and step outside, you will find your way has NEVER worked ever in history, it just brings down the country. I hope none of you whining collectivist misfits don't come here for help when you complete that last swirl around the drain. The Queen??? The only leader you have had that was worth a damn since Churchill is Maggie, she make the UK something to be proud of, before you fell to socialism.
By the way, this isn't a campaign, so you don't have to try to appear above the fray, no one cares, you are making yourself appear even more pathetic than previously thought.
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

Chesterfield, UK

#15 Feb 13, 2010
Your economy is nothing to write home about and it was your bankers who put all of us in the shit. It was our Prime Minister who came up with the plan to start to sort it out. Check that out.

Sub prime mortgages - your show not ours. Stupid of us to ever have trusted your economist freaks who set us on the course of monetarism and to have ditched Keynesian economics, a UK idea that got the world out of the Depression and kept it sweet until the greedy arses such as Friedman who wrecked whole economies were imported from your side of the Pond. Maggie? Only toffs care about her, she wrecked our nation, put millions out of work, destroyed our manufacturing base, created division, whole communities were devastated by her policies. We knew her as Thatcher Milk Snatcher when she took milk off the kids in school - too socialist for her too. It was under Blair and Brown that our economy recovered, making us 4th largest economy. And it was they who improved living standards and invested in schools, hospitals etc. Not that mad bitch. The Queen loathed her for the hatred and division she created. You are welcome to her, there will be millions here who will not mourn her passing.

You lost the argument on curfews. Not surprising when we consider the evidence of your ranting. Get back on argument stop making stupid claims or just shut up, you are making more and more of a fool of yourself. You can have the last word, it will be more of the same wind. Next you'll tell me Obama isn't really American ....
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#16 Feb 15, 2010
Jan Cosgrove - Mr wrote:
Your economy is nothing to write home about and it was your bankers who put all of us in the shit. It was our Prime Minister who came up with the plan to start to sort it out. Check that out.
Sub prime mortgages - your show not ours. Stupid of us to ever have trusted your economist freaks who set us on the course of monetarism and to have ditched Keynesian economics, a UK idea that got the world out of the Depression and kept it sweet until the greedy arses such as Friedman who wrecked whole economies were imported from your side of the Pond. Maggie? Only toffs care about her, she wrecked our nation, put millions out of work, destroyed our manufacturing base, created division, whole communities were devastated by her policies. We knew her as Thatcher Milk Snatcher when she took milk off the kids in school - too socialist for her too. It was under Blair and Brown that our economy recovered, making us 4th largest economy. And it was they who improved living standards and invested in schools, hospitals etc. Not that mad bitch. The Queen loathed her for the hatred and division she created. You are welcome to her, there will be millions here who will not mourn her passing.
You lost the argument on curfews. Not surprising when we consider the evidence of your ranting. Get back on argument stop making stupid claims or just shut up, you are making more and more of a fool of yourself. You can have the last word, it will be more of the same wind. Next you'll tell me Obama isn't really American ....
Obama has done nothing except move Jimmy Carter out of the worst US president ever.
Curfews are legal, and kids do not have the full content of rights as an adult does. The kids are OWNED by their parents until they reach the age of majority.
You have further proven the reason for the loathing of the UK liberal/progressive/socialist. I guess you are in the same vein as that asshole Chamberlain, another Brit who had his head up his ass like you.
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

UK

#17 Feb 15, 2010
Now you are so wrong. Chamberlain, a conservative party MP, not Labour. Children aren't owned you throwback. They used to claim that about women too. And blacks.(How do feel about all that I wonder?) Mind you Chamberlain apparently had a saving grace. Supporter of capitalism that he was, to his roots, he still presided, when chairman of Birmingham's municipality's housing committee to oversee the building of 40,000 council-owned homes for affordable rent to replace the slum tenaments of the private landlords. Not because he went pinko but because it was what was needed.

So who else do you want to drag in? Before you do, get an education on the things you keep claiming, it does you no credit to have your arguments knocked over like they're piles of sand.

We deal less with ideology here more with what works. It's when our politicians play games of ideology with it all, rather than following that principle, that we tend to follow you into the mire up to our necks. Monetarism. For goodness sake, it's crippled the world economy. Why didn't you learn the lessons of the Great Fall? Oh and please avoid assassinating Obama, it really won't do. And no more fiddling votes in Florida. It makes it seem like there are some who want to turn you into some form of banana republic. We count our votes by hand here still, it works and it's done in public.
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#18 Feb 15, 2010
Jan Cosgrove - Mr wrote:
Now you are so wrong. Chamberlain, a conservative party MP, not Labour. Children aren't owned you throwback. They used to claim that about women too. And blacks.(How do feel about all that I wonder?) Mind you Chamberlain apparently had a saving grace. Supporter of capitalism that he was, to his roots, he still presided, when chairman of Birmingham's municipality's housing committee to oversee the building of 40,000 council-owned homes for affordable rent to replace the slum tenaments of the private landlords. Not because he went pinko but because it was what was needed.
So who else do you want to drag in? Before you do, get an education on the things you keep claiming, it does you no credit to have your arguments knocked over like they're piles of sand.
We deal less with ideology here more with what works. It's when our politicians play games of ideology with it all, rather than following that principle, that we tend to follow you into the mire up to our necks. Monetarism. For goodness sake, it's crippled the world economy. Why didn't you learn the lessons of the Great Fall? Oh and please avoid assassinating Obama, it really won't do. And no more fiddling votes in Florida. It makes it seem like there are some who want to turn you into some form of banana republic. We count our votes by hand here still, it works and it's done in public.
Yeah, Chamberlain did what worked, that's why he signed a treaty with Hitler, he showed the same cowardice as you.
You also have a country that is but a spec compared to our great land. Your liberal/progressive ideology has brought you to a place where your country is being taken over from within by foreigners.
Children are owned you socialist moron, parental rights trump everything, even the government. Woman and blacks of the age of majority are all equal.
Our rights here are God given, we don't rely on a queen or king to ALLOW us anything.
Go back to wallowing in your socialist cesspool, good thing the US still props you sorry bastards up, otherwise you would be looked at in the same way as France. Matter of fact, you blokes are some sorry ass wankers aren't you, Ireland kicked your arse, and Scotland as well, seems you can't hold on to anything. Must be the total lack of core values you have displayed so brilliantly here.
LMAO, you have proven what I said in the beginning, the Brits are always the first to make asses of themselves, thanks for proving it.
Jan Cosgrove - Mr

Chesterfield, UK

#19 Feb 22, 2010
I thought I had posted back on this already.

But in case ....

"Children are owned" your words, and proof of how ignorant you are of the Constitution of your own country.

We don't wait for the monarch to allow us to do anything, they are here because we tolerate them. After all, we can vote to become a republic or a commonwealth whenever we want. And to have a President all of our very own .... maybe we're still waiting for you to show us it's the right answer.

Taken over by foreigners? You are all foreigners over there.(Hey how many illegal Mexicans can you count?) Huddled masses? Or in your case a Muddled Ass maybe.

Hitler decided not to bother invading us before you were dragged kicking and screaming into the war. Reason - he knew he couldn't just run over us like he had the French. Recent war games based on the strategies of the Brits and the Nazis at the time show they would have got stuck at our 3rd line of inland defence, they did not have air superiority, and their supply plans and evacuation contingencies would have meant they would have been stuck here no way of retreat, and the Royal Navy in force from Scapa Flow dominating the Channel. Sorry soldier, and Hitler's generals at least managed to keep him from that disaster. The situation in Northern Ireland - unlike so many places, resolved through peaceful means in the end. So many mistakes and wrongdoings on both sides. Now we speak, they share power. That is progress. Scotland, you idiot, a country independent before you existed, separate from England, united by their wishes in the Act of Union. The UK Parliament asked them if they wanted autonomy or independence in a referendum, they wanted the former and so have the Scottish Parliament within the UK, like you have State Governments (which in fact may well have greater powers in many respects). But if there is another referendum and the people of Scotland choose to end the Union, that will be their democratic choice. Can't the States choose to secede? Would they be allowed to?

Core values. Yelling abuse at the top of our voices isn't one of them. If it brays like an ass, sounds like one, well guess we have a real ass here.

Core values. Like looking after our poor and sick and not leaving them dumped to exist on hand-outs.

Core values. Standing up against loudmouth bullies come what may.

Core values. Ours is the Mother of Parliaments. Habeas Corpus. The Rights of Man - an idea born here. The Rule of Law - we gave that to the World. Haiti can't even have an earthquake without a bunch of your "missionaries" going over and offering dirt-poor parents money to buy their kids. Disgusting behaviour. You elected George W. Gee.

Core values. You even speak our language, you had to borrow even that. We gave the world Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, the King James Bible. Our achievements are something of which we can be proud. Guantanamo? Not ours. Abu Greve. Yours. Timothy McVeigh. Yours. Bay of Pigs? Yours, a farce. The 1929 Crash. Yours, thanks a bunch. The Sub Prime Mortgages Crash. Oh yours, another proof of the greed that rules your land, people with no values other than dog-eat-dog and screw everyone else - these are your leaders, your idols, the top men of Wall Street. You prop us up - trillion dollar deficit man, you are joking.

Core values? Don't make me laugh. We are rooted in them. You? We've seen loudmouths come and go, you're nothing new.
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

#20 Feb 23, 2010
Trying to frame the direction and argument is something you pathetic Brits have to do, as you can't actually make anything happen.
The US has freed more people on this earth than the UK enslaved even during the height of their power, WE are the ones other countries come to in time of need, because WE are the only ones that can help, do you ever see anyone turning to a dead society like the Brits?
Your jealousy is quite evident, and I guess you should be, because the UK is a stagnant little island, with no power and at the will of the the Muslim invaders that are taking over your country.
I hope the US has the sense to let you miserable bastards wither away, your time on Earth is over, you are nothing but an anchor around everyones neck.
We overcome every problem we face, you couldn't even handle a bunch of colonist who gave your King the one finger salute, as the rest of the world does to you now. Pathetic little existence you are destined to. I talk to people in the UK, ones that aren't socialists, and they tell me your country is circling the drain.......all I can say to that is....bye bye...

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