Tennessee auto industry at a crossroads

Tennessee auto industry at a crossroads

There are 28 comments on the The Tennessean story from Oct 6, 2013, titled Tennessee auto industry at a crossroads. In it, The Tennessean reports that:

Starting with virtually nothing, and going to the top of the heap: That's how Tennessee's burgeoning automotive industry has grown in the three decades since the Japanese automaker Nissan brought its first U.S. assembly plant to Smyrna.

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vic

Dayton, TN

#1 Oct 6, 2013
Boycott VW if they go union.
Bayless

South Pittsburg, TN

#2 Oct 7, 2013
You betcha!
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#3 Oct 18, 2013
Why would anyone even consider voting in someone to drive a wedge between management and workers? It would make as much sense as inviting cancer into your body to slowly eat you away until you're gone. Union membership decreased by 400,000 members in 2012 down to 11.3% of the workforce down from 28 percent of the total workforce at the height in 1954. If there are problems, employees have OSHA, EEOC, and the Department Of Labor to handle the situation. They don't need to pay someone to speak for them with half-truths, lies, mountains out of mole hills, and intimidation. When unions shut down plants, the agitators go back home WITH a job while the people they organized are left outside the locked gates looking in.
Auto Worker

Gainesboro, TN

#4 Oct 30, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
Why would anyone even consider voting in someone to drive a wedge between management and workers? It would make as much sense as inviting cancer into your body to slowly eat you away until you're gone. Union membership decreased by 400,000 members in 2012 down to 11.3% of the workforce down from 28 percent of the total workforce at the height in 1954. If there are problems, employees have OSHA, EEOC, and the Department Of Labor to handle the situation. They don't need to pay someone to speak for them with half-truths, lies, mountains out of mole hills, and intimidation. When unions shut down plants, the agitators go back home WITH a job while the people they organized are left outside the locked gates looking in.
V.W.CEO wanted the Union ,it wasn't the employees. I say go man,G.M.just gave away $75,000.00 Thousand everyone wins with a Union. bring back the Unions and bring back America.

Most of the stupid hicks in red state Tennessee has no idea what a company and union can do.. just look at Spring Hill from 25 years ago..without a Union ,Spring Hill would still be a wide place in the Road.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#5 Oct 30, 2013
Auto Worker wrote:
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V.W.CEO wanted the Union ,it wasn't the employees. I say go man,G.M.just gave away $75,000.00 Thousand everyone wins with a Union. bring back the Unions and bring back America.
Most of the stupid hicks in red state Tennessee has no idea what a company and union can do.. just look at Spring Hill from 25 years ago..without a Union ,Spring Hill would still be a wide place in the Road.
The Saturn plant there went out . It's back but there is no guarantee that GM won't close it again if the cost/profit ratio doesn't work out. Southern states will offer the moon and stars with new plants with the latest automated equipment to get the plant to move. It's a new day and the employees need to understand that the tail doesn't wag the dog anymore regardless of what some cigar chomping leader tells you while he's living high on the hog with YOUR dues.
Native Tennesseean

Columbia, TN

#6 Oct 30, 2013
Maybe if TN would welcome good paying union jobs, we could stop being such a drain on the federal government. Irregardless of what double talking politicians like Bob Corker says, TN receives more dollars from the federal government each year than it contributes. Ironically, almost all of the southern states are what is known as "welfare states", receiving more money from Washington than they contribute. Whether we want to agree or not, the facts show that the states that are supporting us, are the ones with the highest saturation of good paying union jobs!

BigGuy4Fun2

“Double Knot Spy”

Since: Sep 12

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#7 Oct 30, 2013
Auto Worker wrote:
<quoted text>V.W.CEO wanted the Union ,it wasn't the employees. I say go man,G.M.just gave away $75,000.00 Thousand everyone wins with a Union. bring back the Unions and bring back America.

Most of the stupid hicks in red state Tennessee has no idea what a company and union can do.. just look at Spring Hill from 25 years ago..without a Union ,Spring Hill would still be a wide place in the Road.
Detroit is dead because of unions. GM Doraville dead, Ford Hapeville, Saturn dead Spring Hill, VW Pennsylvania dead, Dodge Kansas City dead. Yep, nothing that a union can't do.

BigGuy4Fun2

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Since: Sep 12

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#8 Oct 30, 2013
Native Tennesseean wrote:
Maybe if TN would welcome good paying union jobs, we could stop being such a drain on the federal government. Irregardless of what double talking politicians like Bob Corker says, TN receives more dollars from the federal government each year than it contributes. Ironically, almost all of the southern states are what is known as "welfare states", receiving more money from Washington than they contribute. Whether we want to agree or not, the facts show that the states that are supporting us, are the ones with the highest saturation of good paying union jobs!
You do know that if union goes into VW that the average salary will drop by 3.00 per hour. And you will have to pay union dues on top of that.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#9 Oct 30, 2013
Native Tennesseean wrote:
Maybe if TN would welcome good paying union jobs, we could stop being such a drain on the federal government. Irregardless of what double talking politicians like Bob Corker says, TN receives more dollars from the federal government each year than it contributes. Ironically, almost all of the southern states are what is known as "welfare states", receiving more money from Washington than they contribute. Whether we want to agree or not, the facts show that the states that are supporting us, are the ones with the highest saturation of good paying union jobs!
If union workers only produced what they were paid for it would be a different situation but getting hired and turning on the cruise control doesn't work anymore. Why do you think the auto plants are now concentrating in right to work states in the south away from the cesspool of northern cities? Employee doesn't pull his weight, employee has poor attitude and attendance record, employee is danger to himself and fellow employees, then employee gets fired. What's so hard to understand about that.
Autoworker

Toronto, Canada

#10 Oct 31, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>If union workers only produced what they were paid for it would be a different situation but getting hired and turning on the cruise control doesn't work anymore. Why do you think the auto plants are now concentrating in right to work states in the south away from the cesspool of northern cities? Employee doesn't pull his weight, employee has poor attitude and attendance record, employee is danger to himself and fellow employees, then employee gets fired. What's so hard to understand about that.
Wouldn't have anything to do with the billion dollars worth of incentives your government gave them to set up shop.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#11 Oct 31, 2013
Autoworker wrote:
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Wouldn't have anything to do with the billion dollars worth of incentives your government gave them to set up shop.
The states outbid each other for incentives to the plants to come to their state. It pays back in getting underemployed and unemployed people into good jobs and back on the tax PAYING side of life. Alabama missed VW but got Mercedes, Hyundai, Honda, and the Toyota engine plant jobs not counting all the JIT vendors for outsourced parts. Incentives are just the cost of doing business.
Autoworker

London, Canada

#12 Oct 31, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>The states outbid each other for incentives to the plants to come to their state. It pays back in getting underemployed and unemployed people into good jobs and back on the tax PAYING side of life. Alabama missed VW but got Mercedes, Hyundai, Honda, and the Toyota engine plant jobs not counting all the JIT vendors for outsourced parts. Incentives are just the cost of doing business.
Exactly but in your earlier post you wrote Why do you think the auto plants are now concentrating in right to work states in the south away from the cesspool of northern cities? The reason is the money that's thrown at them and the high unemployment in those southern states people are desperate for jobs and will work cheaper.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#13 Nov 1, 2013
Autoworker wrote:
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Exactly but in your earlier post you wrote Why do you think the auto plants are now concentrating in right to work states in the south away from the cesspool of northern cities? The reason is the money that's thrown at them and the high unemployment in those southern states people are desperate for jobs and will work cheaper.
The reality is that the southern workers APPRECIATE a good job and are willing to WORK hard for the pay and benefits unlike the third and fourth generation slugs and sluggards that ruined the northern industries. How many new factories are rushing to the Rust Belt to deal with the reverse attitude of the labor pool, high crime, and high taxes there?
Autoworker

London, Canada

#14 Nov 1, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>The reality is that the southern workers APPRECIATE a good job and are willing to WORK hard for the pay and benefits unlike the third and fourth generation slugs and sluggards that ruined the northern industries. How many new factories are rushing to the Rust Belt to deal with the reverse attitude of the labor pool, high crime, and high taxes there?
I think most appreciate a good job and are willing to work hard but not all are willing to tuck their tails between are legs and be treated poorly. Apparently you don't follow the auto industry as closely as you think you do otherwise you would know Ford is putting a 700 million into there oakville plant and GM is putting 250 million expansion on their ingersol plant as well ford is in the process of hiring 12000 new workers.
As far as you claiming that union workers were at fault for ruining Detroit that's just laughable I guess poor management rising gas prices and Wall Streets near destruction of our monetary system had nothing to do with that, no it was all the workers fault.
Autoworker

London, Canada

#15 Nov 1, 2013
BigGuy4Fun2 wrote:
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Detroit is dead because of unions. GM Doraville dead, Ford Hapeville, Saturn dead Spring Hill, VW Pennsylvania dead, Dodge Kansas City dead. Yep, nothing that a union can't do.
Funny how all the plants you listed none are actually in Detroit or Michigan for that matter. Ford Flat Rock Michigan Alive. 3 Dearborn Michigan plants Alive. Livonia Michigan Alive. Wayne Michigan Alive. Ypsilanti Michigan Alive. Romeo Michigan Alive. 2 Sterling Heights Michigan plants Alive. Wayne Michigan Alive. Woodhaven Michigan Alive. GM Baycity Michigan Alive. GM Detroit/Hamtrack Alive. 5 GM Flint Michigan Plants Alive. GM Lancing Delta Township Michigan Alive. Lancing Grand River Michigan Alive. Chrysler Detroit Michigan Alive. Dundee Michigan Alive. Jefferson North Detroit Michigan Alive. Mack Avenue Detroit Michigan Alive. Sterling Heights Michigan Alive. Warren Truck Assembly Warren Michigan Alive. Not to mention the plants in Canada and the rest of the United States. But Detroit is Dead.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#16 Nov 1, 2013
Autoworker wrote:
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I think most appreciate a good job and are willing to work hard but not all are willing to tuck their tails between are legs and be treated poorly. Apparently you don't follow the auto industry as closely as you think you do otherwise you would know Ford is putting a 700 million into there oakville plant and GM is putting 250 million expansion on their ingersol plant as well ford is in the process of hiring 12000 new workers.
As far as you claiming that union workers were at fault for ruining Detroit that's just laughable I guess poor management rising gas prices and Wall Streets near destruction of our monetary system had nothing to do with that, no it was all the workers fault.
What Detroit was putting out was junk by slugs!!! Poor paint, shoddy fit and finish, half assembled, sabotaged , and a DGAS attitude was the norm. They had the product but when it got to the point of trying to get people to do their jobs and make a product that would sell, management gave up and let the patient die. Along comes the foreign manufacturers and showed us how to build QUALITY cars for a REASONABLE price.. The rest is history. I rest my case!
Autoworker

London, Canada

#17 Nov 1, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>What Detroit was putting out was junk by slugs!!! Poor paint, shoddy fit and finish, half assembled, sabotaged , and a DGAS attitude was the norm. They had the product but when it got to the point of trying to get people to do their jobs and make a product that would sell, management gave up and let the patient die. Along comes the foreign manufacturers and showed us how to build QUALITY cars for a REASONABLE price.. The rest is history. I rest my case!
Thank you for resting your case now would the jury please stop laughing. Poor paint, shoddy fit and finish workers have no say on these matters nor do they have a say on design and engineering of a vehicle. If a company chooses to cheap out on parts to make more money the worker dosnt get a say in this. Along comes the foreign manufacturers and showed us how to build QUALITY cars for a REASONABLE price are you kidding the first Toyota and Hyundai imported to North America were garbage couldnt handle our climate. They had to partner up with Ford and GM. Apparently you dont know your automotive history. Hey jurys back case dismissed.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#18 Nov 1, 2013
Autoworker wrote:
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Thank you for resting your case now would the jury please stop laughing. Poor paint, shoddy fit and finish workers have no say on these matters nor do they have a say on design and engineering of a vehicle. If a company chooses to cheap out on parts to make more money the worker dosnt get a say in this. Along comes the foreign manufacturers and showed us how to build QUALITY cars for a REASONABLE price are you kidding the first Toyota and Hyundai imported to North America were garbage couldnt handle our climate.
Garbage? Nothing compared to the garbage coming out of our factories. The workers were paid to BUILD the cars ,not design and engineer them. If they couldn't do simple put-part-on-car-as-instructed jobs and get it right, if they did it at all, how would those slugs design and engineer them? Even the trucks such as the GM LUV, Ford Courier, and GM Tiltmaster proved we could import better than we could make here that would last 100,000 miles+. The American consumer spoke and spoke loudly so it's been a long time climbing out of the pit we fell in all by ourselves.
Autoworker

London, Canada

#19 Nov 2, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Garbage? Nothing compared to the garbage coming out of our factories. The workers were paid to BUILD the cars ,not design and engineer them. If they couldn't do simple put-part-on-car-as-instructed jobs and get it right, if they did it at all, how would those slugs design and engineer them? Even the trucks such as the GM LUV, Ford Courier, and GM Tiltmaster proved we could import better than we could make here that would last 100,000 miles+. The American consumer spoke and spoke loudly so it's been a long time climbing out of the pit we fell in all by ourselves.
You seen to have once again missed the point. Capitalizing a few words in your post doesn't make it correct. If you read my post you would see I said that workers do NOT design or engineer the vehicles. Funny how the best selling vehicles over the past 30 years in the United States has been American pickups. You say the American consumer spoke you do realize the top selling automaker in the United States is General Motors followed by Ford. Toyota third and Chrysler fourth. I guess America has spoken.
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#20 Nov 3, 2013
Autoworker wrote:
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You seen to have once again missed the point. Capitalizing a few words in your post doesn't make it correct. If you read my post you would see I said that workers do NOT design or engineer the vehicles. Funny how the best selling vehicles over the past 30 years in the United States has been American pickups. You say the American consumer spoke you do realize the top selling automaker in the United States is General Motors followed by Ford. Toyota third and Chrysler fourth. I guess America has spoken.
POOH!!! Our factories have climbed out of the holes they dug thirty years ago. It took the import vehicles to show us what we said couldn't be done really could be!!!! Why should Honda, Nissan, Toyota ,Benz , and all the others even be considered? Could it be that the American consumer was fed up with the half baked garbage that the big three was putting out? One by one the jobs will move South where the companies still have total control over the cost factors. If you are dumb enough to buy something from the sewers of the North, expect a turd!

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