La Porte to ban chaining of dogs

Since: Dec 10

La Porte, TX

#81 Oct 29, 2011
My story is probably not a major incident to most people. I'm just glad that he IS out in the open where I can see him and try to help him when he needs help.
I am an animal lover and it just breaks my heart on how some people can be so callous towards their animals!
When I walk my two dogs, occasionally there is a little dog that crawls out from under the wooden fence of a backyard. I can't tell what kind of dog this is but it's hair/fur is so matted that I have actually turned around and gone back to my house to get some scissors so I could try and cut away some of the matting! I haven't been able to get close enough to him/her yet.
Now this wouldn't be considered abuse in the eyes of the law, at this time, but it is abuse! Ask any veterinarian about the pain that an animal (dog or cat) suffers when their hair/fur gets so matted.
I know that our, or any cities, Animal Control can't and shouldn't have to "police" people that won't take care of their animals! That's where neighbors, friends or associates need to step in and see if they can help with the situation and if not, call AC and ask them to make a visit!
I also know that what I may consider an abusive situation or environment may not be considered abusive by the owners!
Maybe we could have an APS! ANIMAL PROTECTIVE SERVICES!

Since: Jul 07

Houston area

#82 Oct 29, 2011
If you know of a dog or any animal that is being abused or neglected, report it. Animal Control needs your help to identify these problems so they can start action on the case. It seems people "know" of a dog / animal that is in dire straights but have not reported it. Animal Control will work with the owner and if need be they can initiate a criminal case. Please do not leave these animals in a bad condition for any longer then they have to. In the case of the dog on the chain that was posted here,this constitutes "cruel confinement" call Animal Control and let them know...

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#83 Oct 29, 2011
When a law or ordinance is not well defined it will be abused. That is what I fear most about this ordinance. That massive gray area.

Now, y'all are wanting the ordinance to ban all chaining regardless of duration! That's retarded and I refuse to neglect my dog like that. She is in the front yard with me now on this gorgeous day. If this ordinance passes she will no longer be able to enjoy this except for our walks! Too me that's abuse.

If I chain her I broke the law!
If I dont chain her I broke the law!
Yet it is lawful for her to Stare out the window
and cry all day. Good job protecting her

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#84 Oct 29, 2011
If the ordinance is written that will ban chaining. There will not need to be any evidence except a witness that your dog was on a chain. That's it !

I hope everyone really thinks about this before agreeing. This will leave me in a huge delima.
I could
A. Neglect my dog ( which isn't an option in my book)
B. Find our dog a new home ( which isnt good for anyone)
C. pick up and move because of a stupid ordinance.
D. Become the dredge of society by breaking laws every weekend. Just pay my fine every fri sat and Sunday.

The worst part of this is trying to explain to my young kids what's going on. Sad Sad Sad

Since: Jul 07

Houston area

#85 Oct 29, 2011
I agree that an ordinance or law that is not defined well has the potential for abuse or non-enforcement. There is no crime if you are outside with your animal, and that animal is under your direct control. Not everyone will be in support of this ordinance and that is fine, that is what makes this country as great as it is. The concept here is to ensure the improvement of the lives of the animals within the city. There are more people who abuse and neglect their animals by chaining then those that do not. There are also places where an owner can take their dog and allow them to run off lead and enjoy nice days as well (dog parks). We have several in the immediate area around La Porte (Clear Lake and Baytown) and it looks like we will also have one of these in our city.

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#86 Oct 29, 2011
Ok, I calming down a bit......

I have a few suggestions that I think would make all happy.

1. No chaining of dogs if no one is home. The dog can only be chained if an adult is home and at the residence. That would be easy to enforce and people like me would never chain there dog up and leave.

2. No chaining of dogs at night, in the morning or in the evening. Block out a time period. This would be also easy to enforce.
Maybe even have an allowed time period. Ex. Dogs can only be chained on weekends or maybe 11:00 am - 4:00pm.

3. Chaining law can only be enforced if there was another law being broken. Ex. Ac see's the dog chained up and he is starving. The owner gets two tickets?

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#87 Oct 29, 2011
I do take my dog to dog parks occasionally. But that is extremely difficult with a family the size of ours and the duties that come with it. She also gets the occasional hunting and fishing trip when we do get spare time.

Honestly, having her under my control, in the front yard, without a leash is impossible. She is a tracker and if she catches a scent she will not stop until she finds the source or loses the scent. If she doesn't start tracking she is extremely obedient, but that goes out the window once she finds a scent.

I know what y'all are try to do a I agree. but in my situation, all your doing is harming my dog. I think anyone of the safe guards above would leave a window for many others like me to enjoy there front yards.

Today I am helping the guy across the street build his fence. My dog is on her retractable leash tied to a tree in my front yard. All the kids from the street are playing, my dog is having the time of her life. She is in my view. Should this be illegal? Am I neglectful? Hell no! What would be neglectful is her watching all of this from the bedroom window.

All Im asking is to make sure there is an exception for this in your ordinance. There is hundreds of ways to accomplish what you say you Want to accomplish without taking my dogs enjoyments away.

To completely ban all chaining is a bad idea.

Will the police dog academy have to follow this ordinance? I guess they will have to. That should keep animal control busy for quit sometime.
RangerDoc wrote:
I agree that an ordinance or law that is not defined well has the potential for abuse or non-enforcement. There is no crime if you are outside with your animal, and that animal is under your direct control. Not everyone will be in support of this ordinance and that is fine, that is what makes this country as great as it is. The concept here is to ensure the improvement of the lives of the animals within the city. There are more people who abuse and neglect their animals by chaining then those that do not. There are also places where an owner can take their dog and allow them to run off lead and enjoy nice days as well (dog parks). We have several in the immediate area around La Porte (Clear Lake and Baytown) and it looks like we will also have one of these in our city.

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#88 Oct 29, 2011
RangerDoc wrote:
. The concept here is to ensure the improvement of the lives of the animals within the city.
This is a disturbing quote.
Please explain how you are improving my dogs life? In my eyes you are greatly harming it. I am known for misunderstanding different things, so this might be the case. Please explain and be specific. Kinda seems like the Obama share the wealth deal. Another dog is being mistreated so my dog must suffer.

I had my home built 3 years ago. The sole reason for my location was to benefit my dog. What we are accustomed to wouldn't be allowed by any HOA. But now it seems my family ( which includes my dog) lifestyle is not going to be allowed in laporte. What a shame....

When is this proposal going to be available for public view? I can tell now that I will have to do everything in my power to shut it down. Unless my previous post has been taking into consideration.

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#89 Oct 29, 2011
Want my town back wrote:
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I can tell now that I will have to do everything in my power to shut it down.
Give it a rest.

The ordinance should just say, "No dogs on chains." and leave it to the discretion of animal control. They won't ticket you if you leave your dog on a chain temporarily, they just want to be able to do something about the dogs that are LIVING on chains.

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#90 Oct 29, 2011
Heavy Fed wrote:
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Give it a rest.
The ordinance should just say, "No dogs on chains." and leave it to the discretion of animal control. They won't ticket you if you leave your dog on a chain temporarily, they just want to be able to do something about the dogs that are LIVING on chains.
Yes they will! Why wouldnt they?

Lets just say a member of Animal Control despises me. He wants my family to fail any way he can. He looks for the oppurtunity to inflict any wound possible. Why wouldnt he use this as a chance to hurt me? Why would he pass this oppurtunity up? I would have broken the law, right? I have no defense even if my dog was tied up a few minutes, because thats what the laws says. That would be an un winable battle because i indeed broke the law. There would be no defense......

Of all people i would expect you to understand that. What is really bad, is he is commenting on this thread.

I know its coming, i have wrote my letters, i have plead with people on this forum. It is all falling on deaf ears.

Most people on this forum know who i am. Some have met my family, my dog and even my mother. But yet they have fallin silent on an issue that will greatly affect the family they broke bread with.

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#91 Oct 29, 2011
Want my town back wrote:
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Yes they will! Why wouldnt they?
Lets just say a member of Animal Control despises me. He wants my family to fail any way he can. He looks for the oppurtunity to inflict any wound possible. Why wouldnt he use this as a chance to hurt me? Why would he pass this oppurtunity up? I would have broken the law, right? I have no defense even if my dog was tied up a few minutes, because thats what the laws says. That would be an un winable battle because i indeed broke the law. There would be no defense......
Of all people i would expect you to understand that. What is really bad, is he is commenting on this thread.
I know its coming, i have wrote my letters, i have plead with people on this forum. It is all falling on deaf ears.
Most people on this forum know who i am. Some have met my family, my dog and even my mother. But yet they have fallin silent on an issue that will greatly affect the family they broke bread with.
I seriously doubt animal control would use a new ordinance simply to harass you because they don't like you.
Linda

La Porte, TX

#92 Oct 29, 2011
Want my town back wrote:
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This is a disturbing quote.
Please explain how you are improving my dogs life? In my eyes you are greatly harming it. I am known for misunderstanding different things, so this might be the case. Please explain and be specific. Kinda seems like the Obama share the wealth deal. Another dog is being mistreated so my dog must suffer.
I had my home built 3 years ago. The sole reason for my location was to benefit my dog. What we are accustomed to wouldn't be allowed by any HOA. But now it seems my family ( which includes my dog) lifestyle is not going to be allowed in laporte. What a shame....
When is this proposal going to be available for public view? I can tell now that I will have to do everything in my power to shut it down. Unless my previous post has been taking into consideration.
Honestly-I don't think you have anything to worry about. To begin with, no one is going to call the law on you. I think you are worrying about nothing.

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#93 Oct 29, 2011
Heavy Fed wrote:
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I seriously doubt animal control would use a new ordinance simply to harass you because they don't like you.
Your wrong. He will!

Actually Alot of things have changed since my last post. I made a few calls, had a greet and meet, dinner. Just made some more and meeting those contacts at my home. It seems that the city agrees with me. They are intelligent enough to know something has to be done, but a total ban is not even considerable. I brought up your ideal...... I can mail you the response if interested but will not post it.
carol

Houston, TX

#94 Oct 29, 2011
Linda wrote:
<quoted text>Honestly-I don't think you have anything to worry about. To begin with, no one is going to call the law on you. I think you are worrying about nothing.
Your past posts and the history of Regina Reiley speak the opposite. You and her are dog owner haters and will call the law in a heart beat. Reiley has called the law many times on incidents she believes are wrong. She spoke at call to the public 2 council meetings ago.She has caused one company to lose their guard dog and get fined. That company is suing the city now and winning. I hope Reiley and you get sued also.

Since: Jul 07

Houston area

#95 Oct 30, 2011
Animal Control is not an agency bent on harassing or using any law to pick on citizens. If you are in violation, fix it. In most cases, the officers will issue "warnings" and or verbal help to correct a problem. As for the quotes that Animal Control will start making citizens lives unbearable with any law or ordinance, we must remember that all citations issued to citizens are issued with the option of taking the violation to court and having the judge hear the case. No Animal Control officer is out there in the field with the intent of making anyones life miserable. If there is a bonafide violation of the law in regards to animals then expect to have interaction with them.
red dawn

Baytown, TX

#96 Oct 30, 2011
HEAVY what you mean the city will not harass you because they hate you?????---you have claimed for years the city hates and harasses you,

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#97 Oct 30, 2011
RangerDoc wrote:
Animal Control is not an agency bent on harassing or using any law to pick on citizens. If you are in violation, fix it. In most cases, the officers will issue "warnings" and or verbal help to correct a problem. As for the quotes that Animal Control will start making citizens lives unbearable with any law or ordinance, we must remember that all citations issued to citizens are issued with the option of taking the violation to court and having the judge hear the case. No Animal Control officer is out there in the field with the intent of making anyones life miserable. If there is a bonafide violation of the law in regards to animals then expect to have interaction with them.
The law is the law. If it was broken, you are guilty.

From my meetings last night, it is obvious that what is being claimed in here is not even up for consideration. I had to actually pull this forum up for others to read. It was laughable to say the least. I also let a few view the emails from the Animal Control person in question. He is now under investigation.

I had made a long detailed post last night detailing all that was said, who was present and the outcome. After i posted, i quickly received a phone call telling me not to discuss any details about what was discussed. I see now that those post have been removed.

I won and got what i requested in writing. I will no longer post about this.
Buuuuullllshhhhi iiiit

United States

#98 Oct 30, 2011
Want my town back wrote:
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The law is the law. If it was broken, you are guilty.
From my meetings last night, it is obvious that what is being claimed in here is not even up for consideration. I had to actually pull this forum up for others to read. It was laughable to say the least. I also let a few view the emails from the Animal Control person in question. He is now under investigation.
I had made a long detailed post last night detailing all that was said, who was present and the outcome. After i posted, i quickly received a phone call telling me not to discuss any details about what was discussed. I see now that those post have been removed.
I won and got what i requested in writing. I will no longer post about this.
Sounds like BS to me.

Since: Dec 10

La Porte, TX

#99 Oct 30, 2011
Want my town back wrote:
<quoted text>The law is the law. If it was broken, you are guilty.

From my meetings last night, it is obvious that what is being claimed in here is not even up for consideration. I had to actually pull this forum up for others to read. It was laughable to say the least. I also let a few view the emails from the Animal Control person in question. He is now under investigation.

I had made a long detailed post last night detailing all that was said, who was present and the outcome. After i posted, i quickly received a phone call telling me not to discuss any details about what was discussed. I see now that those post have been removed.

I won and got what i requested in writing. I will no longer post about this.
I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about but I didn't see where RangerDoc said anything that could be called out-of-line.
His main idea was just trying to clarify and inform the public of what the Animal Control office does and is responsible for doing.
When reading your last 2 paragraphs, you really started sounding a lot like another person that posts here.

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#100 Oct 30, 2011
Norma E wrote:
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When reading your last 2 paragraphs, you really started sounding a lot like another person that posts here.
I agree, Norma... he may even BE KidShelleen.

LOL

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