Prisoners craft governor's conference table

Gov. Mitch Daniels Tuesday unveiled an elaborate wooden conference table constructed, inlaid and carved by eight inmates and staff at the Westville Correctional Facility in LaPorte County. Full Story
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READ ME MTICH

Mount Gilead, OH

#123 Jul 18, 2007
Maybe this will change Mitch's mind about privitization. Mitch gets a really nice table for 600 and a spanish consortium gets a 3.5 billion dollar road with 5x that in future revenue. Mitch has seen the light and will realize a properly managed state work force can out produced a profit minded business any day of the week.
Amazed wrote:
This is a testament that good things can come from the Indiana prison system. These guys put their time in prison to good use to create something that will be admired by Hoosiers for years to come. A table like this would easily cost $20,000 if it were commissioned, and it cost the state only $625. What a great story!
CLASSIC

Mount Gilead, OH

#124 Jul 18, 2007
Birds of a feather wrote:
Criminals making a table for other criminals to meet on. Seems like a perfect fit to me.
CLASSIC. NO STATEMENT HAS EVER BEEN MORE TRUE.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#125 Jul 18, 2007
READ ME MTICH wrote:
Maybe this will change Mitch's mind about privitization. Mitch gets a really nice table for 600 and a spanish consortium gets a 3.5 billion dollar road with 5x that in future revenue. Mitch has seen the light and will realize a properly managed state work force can out produced a profit minded business any day of the week.
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Please explain to the class how the state could have gotten more than $3.5 billion in cash and $4 billion in maintenance and upgrades from the toll road. We are waiting.
indygirl

Noblesville, IN

#126 Jul 18, 2007
Who Cares? Couldn't the prisoners be doing something useful instead of giving dear ole Mitch another conference table??????????
old man

Indianapolis, IN

#127 Jul 19, 2007
This is from somebody who knows. The commissioner didn't ask, he ordered that the table be built. Inmates did little work on the table itself, They did construct the base. Staff built the table to the exclusion of everything else needing repair or maintenance in the institution. All those 2000 hours are staff hours, now multiply that by their hourly wage. It's not such an inexpensive table.
However it is an extremely beautiful piece of furniture, too good for Mitch.
Brian P

United States

#128 Jul 19, 2007
M of Indianapolis wrote:
<quoted text> You still didn't answer the question. You said "the quality's not hard to make", do you make this furniture your defending or are you a salesman or company owner who sells the typical look alike crap you see in every office furniture store you go in. What do you suggest we do with these people? Obviously letting them sit around and do nothing would be a complete waste, but any job you come up with is a job someone on the "outside" probably does or owns/runs a company that does the same work. Sounds like simple competitive jealousy.
Ha ha, well we do make the finest wood furniture you can buy and employ hard working Americans to do it, they havn't broken laws and they pay back taxes and help out charities. But your right people that get locked up can't sit there so we should train them, take away law abiding peoples jobs and then when Joe gets out and his resume is one of a thousand they will see the box he checked and still not hire him and our guys can pay more taxes to further subsadize these poeple. There are really no good answers with prison...it is all cost, but they did a crime against society and to let them further affect good people is wrong. Maybe they can all go live and work in your or your kids neighborhood once out early for making desks?
Fishers resident

Indianapolis, IN

#129 Jul 19, 2007
fred1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Please explain to the class how the state could have gotten more than $3.5 billion in cash and $4 billion in maintenance and upgrades from the toll road. We are waiting.
Bonds. Ever hear of them? Then the state keeps ALL the revenue except the interest payments on the bonds. A much better deal than selling off state assets to foreign interests.

And yes, I know that they CALL it a lease, but it is really a sale. And what happens if this consortium goes bust and takes all the money they made without doing the promised improvements to the toll road?

“Don't be a Hater”

Since: Jun 07

Indianapolis

#130 Jul 19, 2007
Brian P wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha, well we do make the finest wood furniture you can buy and employ hard working Americans to do it, they havn't broken laws and they pay back taxes and help out charities. But your right people that get locked up can't sit there so we should train them, take away law abiding peoples jobs and then when Joe gets out and his resume is one of a thousand they will see the box he checked and still not hire him and our guys can pay more taxes to further subsadize these poeple. There are really no good answers with prison...it is all cost, but they did a crime against society and to let them further affect good people is wrong. Maybe they can all go live and work in your or your kids neighborhood once out early for making desks?
So what are you saying? Scare everyone because a convict who paid his debt to society might move to your neighborhood when they are released. Make one penalty-death or maybe life in prison-no matter what the crime? Gee what if it was YOUR kid that got pulled over with a pot seed in his ash tray, and spends a bit of time in the pokey?

Since: Mar 07

United States

#131 Jul 19, 2007
old man wrote:
This is from somebody who knows. The commissioner didn't ask, he ordered that the table be built. Inmates did little work on the table itself, They did construct the base. Staff built the table to the exclusion of everything else needing repair or maintenance in the institution. All those 2000 hours are staff hours, now multiply that by their hourly wage. It's not such an inexpensive table.
However it is an extremely beautiful piece of furniture, too good for Mitch.
Please forgive us if we doubt every word you say. Of course if you have proof...ok, that is too much to ask for.

I doubt the guards have that much talent.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#132 Jul 19, 2007
Fishers resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Bonds. Ever hear of them? Then the state keeps ALL the revenue except the interest payments on the bonds. A much better deal than selling off state assets to foreign interests.
And yes, I know that they CALL it a lease, but it is really a sale. And what happens if this consortium goes bust and takes all the money they made without doing the promised improvements to the toll road?
Even baurer admitted the best the state could do on bonds is around $5 billion with us taking all of the risk and taking all of the maintenance and upgrades that the consortium is doing to the tune of an additional $4 billion. So the lease deal is $7.5 billion over 75 years with no risk, or $5 billion with all the risk. You want to tell me another story?

It is a lease, no matter how much you try to skew it. If the consortium goes bust, we keep all of the $3.5 billion which is in our coffers, and we keep all of the improvements which by the end of '08 is going to be over $240 million. If they go out in 10 years or 20, we keep the improvements, the money and can re lease it for another large chunk of change. No matter how you twist it, we got a good deal.
Brian P

United States

#133 Jul 20, 2007
IMS FAN wrote:
<quoted text>So what are you saying? Scare everyone because a convict who paid his debt to society might move to your neighborhood when they are released. Make one penalty-death or maybe life in prison-no matter what the crime? Gee what if it was YOUR kid that got pulled over with a pot seed in his ash tray, and spends a bit of time in the pokey?
Well maybe someone will explain to you the differeance between a jail and a prison. A pot seed is a minor in fraction with little to know jail time. The only drug offenses in a PRISON which means serving over a year would be an attempt to distribute. In which case I would understand why my daughter is in there.
old man proof

United States

#134 Jul 20, 2007
old man wrote:
This is from somebody who knows. The commissioner didn't ask, he ordered that the table be built. Inmates did little work on the table itself, They did construct the base. Staff built the table to the exclusion of everything else needing repair or maintenance in the institution. All those 2000 hours are staff hours, now multiply that by their hourly wage. It's not such an inexpensive table.
However it is an extremely beautiful piece of furniture, too good for Mitch.
I have some "inside" knowledge as well. I ageree with "old man".

When he said "staff" he wasn't refering to "guards".

Then there's all the phone calls, emails and meetings by all the governor appointed "Broadband Executives" to make this happen.

Heck I bet it cost more than $625.00 just to move it.

Don't believe the lies.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#135 Jul 20, 2007
old man proof wrote:
<quoted text>
I have some "inside" knowledge as well. I ageree with "old man".
When he said "staff" he wasn't refering to "guards".
Then there's all the phone calls, emails and meetings by all the governor appointed "Broadband Executives" to make this happen.
Heck I bet it cost more than $625.00 just to move it.
Don't believe the lies.
I would bet the press would love to hear your story if there were an ounce of truth to it. I know for a fact that a group of lithuanian political prisoners hand knit baurers head rug from their own hair. Got the inside scoop.
Jessie

Columbus, OH

#136 Jun 24, 2014
I love the new conference tables we have in our office building. They are of such better quality. That is good they had a table carved by the inmates. I bet it would be hard work to carve a conference table.

Jessie | http://mainstreetofficefurnitureutah.com/conf...

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