LMSA Soccer

[LM Soccer Lover]

So your saying that Strikers FC-Whittier is taking mid and lower level players just for the money. And the chance to have access to the few really good players on the LMSA team. That's why they took the whole team instead of the 3 or 4 true quality club players they have on the team.

Whoo, and here I was thinking it was because they thought the whole team was worthy.

Feel sorry for all those parents who are gonna spend so much money only to learn they should have stayed in rec.

But that is the business of Club soccer isn't it.

[Soccer Best Team Sport]

SoccerRealityCheck wrote:

Typo + Those are the best kids in the area, if not the nation.

like the mis information, but it keeps the #1 Woman's & Youth Sport in USA/ and World Sport// football-futbol-Soccer in good conversation's. Clearing up, all of those teams in sdsdl last year where CSL. of those still playing with CSL and have a National Championship Status are F.Rangers, Sand-Surf,; I recommend you look at State Cup Tournaments where you will see that most of the Top 3 Teams where CSL not sdsdl. if you are in Esdl then you are more than likely playing ODP status. OC Strikers have a good opportunity to come up from last place sdsdl status. Agree, that if they use the resouces from FC Strikers

[SoccerRealityChe ck]

money wrote:

Parents always have had the option of moving to different clubs, different levels, different programs nothing here has changed except that team have easier access to players in the same club, and again this is all about making money, money before kids proof is Strikers taking the entire LMSA gu10 AS team, how many of those kids are really club level players and how many should be back at LMSA in rec.

Just curious have you seen the GU10 team play or checked their record? I just looked at the JUSA and All Star site and figured out they have averaged 5 goals per game and averaged allowing only 1/2 goal per game out of 15 games. They had 9 shut outs out of the 15 games.
As a team, it looks like they are good enough to give the bronze level teams a good fight, from what the LMSA site shows they have a core of 8 players that have been on the team the entire 15 games. so It looks like it may be of been the right move. BUt unless you actually watch the team play, you cant make any assumptions on whether the team will be able to compete or not.
You know what they say about assuming..... you make an @$$ out of U.
And what about the other teams that moved, I believe there were (4) that left recently with their entire team, what about them? dont just single out one team, like you know them, or do you? Or did you have a player that didnt make it on the team? what is your real reason for posting a comment like that?

Look Xplosion, Brea, Fullerton, Striker-FC they are all great clubs, some better at lower age level, some at higher, some have better girls teams, some have better boys teams. With the way soccer is in Southern California, the competition is always changing, you always have someone going after your spot. Its the drive of the players. The most important thing a Coach can do is keep the Drive (Determination) going. Botom line if your kids are willing to work hard the better chance you have.

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money wrote:

Parents always have had the option of moving to different clubs, different levels, different programs nothing here has changed except that team have easier access to players in the same club, and again this is all about making money, money before kids proof is Strikers taking the entire LMSA gu10 AS team, how many of those kids are really club level players and how many should be back at LMSA in rec.

Easy answer.
3-4, the rest back to rec... Tho some would have benefited playing on jones team, or playing up. Prob cost parents much less, and get better training as Lopez is NO club coach. Sad that these parents are hanging their hat on him. Hope he has a very talented ex player as an assistant, and not another daddy.

[SoccerRealityChe ck]

again wrote:

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Easy answer.
3-4, the rest back to rec... Tho some would have benefited playing on jones team, or playing up. Prob cost parents much less, and get better training as Lopez is NO club coach. Sad that these parents are hanging their hat on him. Hope he has a very talented ex player as an assistant, and not another daddy.

Oh, you mean Jones is a good coach...I forgot only ex players know how to coach..daddy's for years have no clue how to coach, last time I checked every great coach in soccer was a daddy. About fell out of my chair laughing on this reply comment. So if I read the scores right, it looks like they have a good defense and a good offense, so you mean to tell me only 3-4 of those girls produced that record, wow, those 3-4 should look to join the Fullerton gold team with the 1 player that made Jones look like a good coach, you did notice, his team didn't do that well in spring right. He is the GU10 now GU11 signature coach, right? Or did I confuse the Jones you are refering too. I have heard nothing positive about his coaching style. Girls puking at practice,, how is that a positive environment? injury plagued... But it all could be rumors, for all I know.

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SoccerRealityCheck wrote:

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Oh, you mean Jones is a good coach...I forgot only ex players know how to coach..daddy's for years have no clue how to coach, last time I checked every great coach in soccer was a daddy. About fell out of my chair laughing on this reply comment. So if I read the scores right, it looks like they have a good defense and a good offense, so you mean to tell me only 3-4 of those girls produced that record, wow, those 3-4 should look to join the Fullerton gold team with the 1 player that made Jones look like a good coach, you did notice, his team didn't do that well in spring right. He is the GU10 now GU11 signature coach, right? Or did I confuse the Jones you are refering too. I have heard nothing positive about his coaching style. Girls puking at practice,, how is that a positive environment? injury plagued... But it all could be rumors, for all I know.

hopefully just rumors...

[Soccer Dad]

Look Xplosion, Brea, Fullerton, Striker-FC they are all great clubs, some better at lower age level, some at higher, some have better girls teams, some have better boys teams. With the way soccer is in Southern California, the competition is always changing, you always have someone going after your spot. Its the drive of the players. The most important thing a Coach can do is keep the Drive (Determination) going. Botom line if your kids are willing to work hard the better chance you have....
worth the reQuote>>>... Most of these Competitive Club's can look to the University's for being able to grow & coninue to attrack many more future Soccer Star's

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SoccerRealityCheck wrote:

<quoted text>Oh, you mean Jones is a good coach...I forgot only ex players know how to coach..daddy's for years have no clue how to coach, last time I checked every great coach in soccer was a daddy. About fell out of my chair laughing on this reply comment. So if I read the scores right, it looks like they have a good defense and a good offense, so you mean to tell me only 3-4 of those girls produced that record, wow, those 3-4 should look to join the Fullerton gold team with the 1 player that made Jones look like a good coach, you did notice, his team didn't do that well in spring right. He is the GU10 now GU11 signature coach, right? Or did I confuse the Jones you are refering too. I have heard nothing positive about his coaching style. Girls puking at practice,, how is that a positive environment? injury plagued... But it all could be rumors, for all I know.

so you would rather have your child be coached in club by a dad? Paying 1k plus getting a rec coach? IMO ex players bring something non players bring. Strategy, in game adjustments etc etc. now if he had an older child and had been coaching for a few years longer, fine he would prob do better. But he has prob coached for what 5 years at most, in non competitive? This is everything to do with Next level. Does no good to go to club and have the same coach. Guess it does not matter, my kid ain't playin for him. Again I've seen his team play, they will struggle in club. My .02, let's see if he will prove the nay Sayers wrong.
And Jones is a good trainer, little much of a slave driver.... But a good trainer. His team played UP in spring, playing sig teams a year older, so its tough to gauge. His team did well in fall. He has calmed down a lot tho, and IMO much better coach then Lopez by a mile. But hey Lopez is "nice"......

[Militia]

You all need to get something straight.
Anybody can coach and win in rec. All you need is 2 or 3 good players. And that includes Sig.

So it doesn't take much knowledge to coach at these levels. To say someone is a good coach just because he can win in rec is hilarious. And simply demonstrates how little you know of what is really required to coach AND be successful at the upper levels of youth soccer.

And 95% of the mom/pop rec coaches that take their teams to club disintergrate by U14, with their dreams of glory sinking slowly into the quagmire of Bronze that takes most such teams.

[SoccerRealityChe ck]

again wrote:

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so you would rather have your child be coached in club by a dad? Paying 1k plus getting a rec coach? IMO ex players bring something non players bring. Strategy, in game adjustments etc etc. now if he had an older child and had been coaching for a few years longer, fine he would prob do better. But he has prob coached for what 5 years at most, in non competitive? This is everything to do with Next level. Does no good to go to club and have the same coach. Guess it does not matter, my kid ain't playin for him. Again I've seen his team play, they will struggle in club. My .02, let's see if he will prove the nay Sayers wrong.
And Jones is a good trainer, little much of a slave driver.... But a good trainer. His team played UP in spring, playing sig teams a year older, so its tough to gauge. His team did well in fall. He has calmed down a lot tho, and IMO much better coach then Lopez by a mile. But hey Lopez is "nice"......

IMHO Yes, Ex Players do not always make the better coach. In a matter of facts. The best coaches sometimes never played a lick of soccer in their lives and have a better strategy than ex players. But you are right the longer they have been the coaching the better experienced they become. So those claiming their knowledge of Club, how long have you been part of a club organization other that LMSA? I have seen mom/pop teams enter into Coast Soccer and rize to Gold. But hey you should know, You all played club yourself right? played High School Soccer? played college soccer? played professional soccer? Who amoungst all these post has done half of the above or even all? There is alot of talk out there from people that never played themselves and have only known LMSA. I have been part of club since 1995 and seen alot of changes good and bad. I have Trained, Coached, Inspired the players to be better on and off the field. Rec and Club. So I do know a Great Club Trainer when I see one. One thing you were right about Jones is a GOOD REC Trainer, not a GREAT club Trainer one. Personally I do not know Lopez all that well or his background but I have seen a practice and warmups before games, and he seems to have the players organized.
I have seen trainers develop kids skills 10 times faster than Jones, and they were not slave drivers, but excellent motivators and the kids actually wanted to go to practice and stay late to practice.
AGAIN IMHO...The GU10 All Stars that everyone is talking about, must be something if everyone keeps talking about them, oh they did play 11 vs 11 in spring and the OJSC and West Covina Teams are the current top Signature teams at those clubs, just ask their club directors, they have alot to talk about too. They west covina team in All Stars, just beat out the West Covina Signature team Jones played for that spot. I could go on, on the other teams that left LMSA too.....However.
I have to ask again why such the fuss about this one coach and one team, was there not 4 other teams that left too, are their coaches and their team coach by non-daddy's and ex players? What about the GU14 team, BU12 Team..etc..

[SoccerRealityChe ck]

Militia wrote:

You all need to get something straight.
Anybody can coach and win in rec. All you need is 2 or 3 good players. And that includes Sig.
So it doesn't take much knowledge to coach at these levels. To say someone is a good coach just because he can win in rec is hilarious. And simply demonstrates how little you know of what is really required to coach AND be successful at the upper levels of youth soccer.
And 95% of the mom/pop rec coaches that take their teams to club disintergrate by U14, with their dreams of glory sinking slowly into the quagmire of Bronze that takes most such teams.

Agreed, But the teams that are taken over and the coach steps back and allows the club coach to take over do succeed.

[Soccer Dad]

SoccerRealityCheck wrote:

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Agreed, But the teams that are taken over and the coach steps back and allows the club coach to take over do succeed.

look it simple if you happen to be part of the Donovan generation then this is the Beginning of US Soccer. the next generation will be the 1st real attempt to be a serious contender for real football/Soccer US Success. So if you have your kid in Soccer today & the trainer says i played US College then-- lower their training price... Now if they say I have international experience... MX, Eng, etc... ask to see their credentials 1st, then consider. This could be a Gold level player in the near future...

[Coachs role]

The only way to know who played on the all the time team is to be there so you must be a member of that team. So knowing that then you must know that you should only compare result to teams that are good - not those that just inflate your ego, winning 5-6-7-8-9 to 0 means that the other team isn't good and you don't know the history of those teams- they did hold their own against what is said to be the better AS team's but didn't dominate at this level. We don't know if they added or lost players from the AS team. Please when justifying something please don't just pick info that suits you. And who are the 4 teams that left I know 2 one should have and the other wasn't ready until it added players. This team may have some success if they get a better coaching.
The POINT about your comment about what the coach's most important role IS EXACTLY WHY THIS TEAM ISN'T READY FOR CLUB no experience at that level.

SoccerRealityCheck wrote:

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Just curious have you seen the GU10 team play or checked their record? I just looked at the JUSA and All Star site and figured out they have averaged 5 goals per game and averaged allowing only 1/2 goal per game out of 15 games. They had 9 shut outs out of the 15 games.
As a team, it looks like they are good enough to give the bronze level teams a good fight, from what the LMSA site shows they have a core of 8 players that have been on the team the entire 15 games. so It looks like it may be of been the right move. BUt unless you actually watch the team play, you cant make any assumptions on whether the team will be able to compete or not.
You know what they say about assuming..... you make an @$$ out of U.
And what about the other teams that moved, I believe there were (4) that left recently with their entire team, what about them? dont just single out one team, like you know them, or do you? Or did you have a player that didnt make it on the team? what is your real reason for posting a comment like that?
Look Xplosion, Brea, Fullerton, Striker-FC they are all great clubs, some better at lower age level, some at higher, some have better girls teams, some have better boys teams. With the way soccer is in Southern California, the competition is always changing, you always have someone going after your spot. Its the drive of the players. The most important thing a Coach can do is keep the Drive (Determination) going. Botom line if your kids are willing to work hard the better chance you have.

[Coachs role]

Not everyone is talking about them just the few of us, but those that know know that this is maybe a big mistake and haven't been trained properly yet. And who are the trainer that devolp player 10 times faster the Tim, please names I want to watch them? And your level of club is from where? Great you can tell us what a great club trainer is or does to make them great, please we all need our eyes opened.

SoccerRealityCheck wrote:

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IMHO Yes, Ex Players do not always make the better coach. In a matter of facts. The best coaches sometimes never played a lick of soccer in their lives and have a better strategy than ex players. But you are right the longer they have been the coaching the better experienced they become. So those claiming their knowledge of Club, how long have you been part of a club organization other that LMSA? I have seen mom/pop teams enter into Coast Soccer and rize to Gold. But hey you should know, You all played club yourself right? played High School Soccer? played college soccer? played professional soccer? Who amoungst all these post has done half of the above or even all? There is alot of talk out there from people that never played themselves and have only known LMSA. I have been part of club since 1995 and seen alot of changes good and bad. I have Trained, Coached, Inspired the players to be better on and off the field. Rec and Club. So I do know a Great Club Trainer when I see one. One thing you were right about Jones is a GOOD REC Trainer, not a GREAT club Trainer one. Personally I do not know Lopez all that well or his background but I have seen a practice and warmups before games, and he seems to have the players organized.
I have seen trainers develop kids skills 10 times faster than Jones, and they were not slave drivers, but excellent motivators and the kids actually wanted to go to practice and stay late to practice.
AGAIN IMHO...The GU10 All Stars that everyone is talking about, must be something if everyone keeps talking about them, oh they did play 11 vs 11 in spring and the OJSC and West Covina Teams are the current top Signature teams at those clubs, just ask their club directors, they have alot to talk about too. They west covina team in All Stars, just beat out the West Covina Signature team Jones played for that spot. I could go on, on the other teams that left LMSA too.....However.
I have to ask again why such the fuss about this one coach and one team, was there not 4 other teams that left too, are their coaches and their team coach by non-daddy's and ex players? What about the GU14 team, BU12 Team..etc..

[best players]

Not going to be world class until we get the best athletes to play soccer

Soccer Dad wrote:

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look it simple if you happen to be part of the Donovan generation then this is the Beginning of US Soccer. the next generation will be the 1st real attempt to be a serious contender for real football/Soccer US Success. So if you have your kid in Soccer today & the trainer says i played US College then-- lower their training price... Now if they say I have international experience... MX, Eng, etc... ask to see their credentials 1st, then consider. This could be a Gold level player in the near future...

[SoccerRealityChe ck]

Coachs role wrote:

Not everyone is talking about them just the few of us, but those that know know that this is maybe a big mistake and haven't been trained properly yet. And who are the trainer that devolp player 10 times faster the Tim, please names I want to watch them? And your level of club is from where? Great you can tell us what a great club trainer is or does to make them great, please we all need our eyes opened.
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Just go watch a Fullerton, Legends, Arsenal, South Bay, any Elite Club, you will see them.
Do you remember what the Legends Fc were before they changed their name to legends, or when Slammers were dominating, please.
Let's not waste our time comparing your Jones to the Elite, when you know its true, he is not the greatest, just good.
Look at the photos, that's how you know how many played in the all star tournament and in JUSA all stars. Don't have to be a part of the team to know that.

[SoccerRealityChe ck]

Coachs role wrote:

The only way to know who played on the all the time team is to be there so you must be a member of that team. So knowing that then you must know that you should only compare result to teams that are good - not those that just inflate your ego, winning 5-6-7-8-9 to 0 means that the other team isn't good and you don't know the history of those teams- they did hold their own against what is said to be the better AS team's but didn't dominate at this level. We don't know if they added or lost players from the AS team. Please when justifying something please don't just pick info that suits you. And who are the 4 teams that left I know 2 one should have and the other wasn't ready until it added players. This team may have some success if they get a better coaching.
The POINT about your comment about what the coach's most important role IS EXACTLY WHY THIS TEAM ISN'T READY FOR CLUB no experience at that level.
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Inflated EGO, huh. I was displaying a point. They wound up eventually shuting out every team except two. Cyclones, lost to OJSC 2-1, then OJSC played LMSA Im the finals and lost 3-0, first game of season OJSC beat LMSA 2-1. west covina tied LMSA, but got beat in playoffs 3-1. So they did dominate all stars, don't see your point, bu t what I am herring out of these responses is you all think they are just a rec team, so going bronze club is a mistake, why? Because of a coach, taking them there? Well I guess we will just have to wait and see how they do in state cup to see if your theory is right. No one is saying they will dominate the club scene, but it looks like they could give altleast. Half a good fight.

[SoccerRealityChe ck]

Oh one last thing, strikers require you to have a trainer, if you have not done it at club level, they assign you one, so what's your point know.
You seem to know so.much about club enlighten me how if they have a club trainer, its still a bad move?? Any training is worth it right?

[Soccer Dad]

best players wrote:

Not going to be world class until we get the best athletes to play soccer
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If you are talking about the overweight sports then wake up. let me inform you that to be considered on a College Team you have to run at least a 5 minute mile, so you just wiped out 75% of the non Soccer players and a good % of Soccer players. Now that we got that requirement out of the way lets start real training with real Trainers & thats the real difference the level of training/coaching is still growing in the USA & Klingsman needs more help, but I like the fact that he has aligned all of Soccer under the same unbrella now. Good Start...

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SoccerRealityCheck wrote:

Oh one last thing, strikers require you to have a trainer, if you have not done it at club level, they assign you one, so what's your point know.
You seem to know so.much about club enlighten me how if they have a club trainer, its still a bad move?? Any training is worth it right?

Assume the trainer is good, then yes, some kids will improve since I'm sure or would hope the trainer has a wider knowledge than Lopez. Some that have no biz in club wont benifit much.
But again, in game adjustments is what will matter, maybe the trainer will be there to help mentor Lopez too.... As your previous post said, we will see. And my guess is they will be mid, to lower in the pack, for Tier 2, maybe mid to upper in Tier 3. It would be comical if Jones lowly Sig team beat club team Lopez in State Cup. Man, talk about an EGO blow to Lopez.

What other teams left?