Group homes facing scrutiny

Group homes facing scrutiny

There are 95 comments on the LA Daily News story from Oct 7, 2010, titled Group homes facing scrutiny. In it, LA Daily News reports that:

A public workshop on the city's proposed group home ordinance will be held 10 a.m.-3 p.m. Saturday at the Marvin Braude Center, 6262 Van Nuys Blvd., Van Nuys.

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Paul Dumont

San Marcos, CA

#1 Oct 8, 2010
In a January 2010 staff report on this issue, the Planning Department said "The nuisance abatement procedure is far preferable to establishing a new and costly discretionary permitting procedure, since the vast majority of special needs housing uses, both licensed and unlicensed, are well integrated into their surrounding neighborhoods and do not cause problems. The nuisance abatement procedure is the most direct and cost-effective approach to addressing neighbohood concerns...". At a meeting this week, neighbors complained government was not utilizing that procdure, and questioned if a new law would be enforced. More regulation is not the answer. Use the existing laws to get rid of the few bad group homes.
Concerned Citizen

Northridge, CA

#2 Oct 8, 2010
My friend lived near a group home for over 10 years and it was a 24-hour circus. People coming and going at all hours and fighting all the time. Fights would literally spill out intot he street and LAPD would come out a few times per week. Every day you could hear screaming, crying, loud music, etc... We're not sure what type of people were being housed but I'd guess they were "mentally challenged."
Same Olde

United States

#4 Oct 8, 2010
It is easy to say get rid of them all, but it does not help to stick your head in the sand and think these people do not need someplace to live. The majority of these facilities provide a much needed place for troubled people to live and hopefully recover to become productive members of society. Enforce the laws on the books and address the troubled facilities. Some regulation is probably called for, but draconian rules trying to prevent rather than address the problems is a foolhardy approach to solving a small problem with a sledgehammer. It makes good headlines and then the issue will disapper into the ethers and nothing will have been done but get a councilpersons name in the media.
LBX

Burbank, CA

#5 Oct 8, 2010
Unlicensed Group Homes should not be allowed in residential neighborhoods. There is no public benefit, they are for profit businesses, and they exploit the people who need help.
Nuts

Pasadena, CA

#6 Oct 8, 2010
Concerned Citizen wrote:
My friend lived near a group home for over 10 years and it was a 24-hour circus. People coming and going at all hours and fighting all the time. Fights would literally spill out intot he street and LAPD would come out a few times per week. Every day you could hear screaming, crying, loud music, etc... We're not sure what type of people were being housed but I'd guess they were "mentally challenged."
My friend actually lived IN a group home. She said the people there were insane and usually stoned on drugs, and that there was sex going on nonstop!
dave

Culver City, CA

#7 Oct 8, 2010
this whole deal stinks to high heavens!!!! Ofcoure 50 people under one roof is courting disaster. But what about the well run homes that serve under 10 residents?? At the risk of blowing my PCnish, WTF?
Bob

Burbank, CA

#8 Oct 8, 2010
Well run licensed group homes should not have a problem with the new ordinance. All group homes that receive state aid should be licensed to make sure that the residents receive the care and monitoring they need and that these homes do not pose a danger to the surrounding neighbors.
Marge

Granada Hills, CA

#9 Oct 8, 2010
These homes are a nuisance. Trash left in neighbors yards, shopping carts in street, trash cans out in the middle of the street. Kids smoking pot on the sidewalk. Cars parked in front of houses for weeks at a time.
One home is not even owned by the people running it. They are squatters. The home was foreclosed and vacant. They even have a toddler living there! Who knows what abuse she in enduring!
Richard

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Oct 8, 2010
THANK YOU COUNCILMAN GREIG SMITH!!!!!! Finally someone at city hall doing something to protect neighborhoods from these nuisances!
Michael Ray

Whittier, CA

#11 Oct 8, 2010
I was once a burden on this town. I checked into Safe House Sober Living and was introduced to AA's 12-step program. I found a better way of life clean and sober. In my time there I witnessed many people get kicked out for using or behavioral issues.

I now volunteer my time to speak in youth probation camps, Hospitals, rehabs and jails about AA and how inmates can find a better way of life in sober living. In short, Sober Living Saved my life!

I am now a proud father, an active member of the PTA, a member and chair person for the San Fernando Valley Hospitals and Institutions committee of Alcoholics Anonymous and a roll model to those in early recovery.

It was only a few months ago the CDCR incorporated help from the sober living community to manage the thousands of non-violent offenders released from prison and placed on "non revocable parole".

I run a sober living that has helped 100s of people get their lives together.

We are members of the Los Angeles County Sober Living Coalition and have a business license.

If passed, this will hurt our communities by sending thousands of people into the streets. People who without structured 12 step programs will more than likely fall back into active addiction which intern could lead to an increase in crime and a financial burden to the already broke California Prison System.

Why not base this on complains and statistics? If a house has a nosey neighbor that uses the police to harass the tenants, surly that would be noted at the police station. If the house is linked to problems on the street like arrests or actual crime than by all means that should be looked at.

If a house doesn’t create problems why than persecute that house? There are nuisance and abetment laws in place for just this sort of thing. Why not use the tools the city already has in place.
Jeff Christensen

Santa Ana, CA

#12 Oct 8, 2010
I am one of the people interviewed by the reporter for this article and I'm very disappointed at the fact that he didn’t cover policy remedies--proposed solutions to correct this situation. He focused on unsubstantiated heretical rhetoric which isn't helpful in finding solutions. This sort of reporting makes a great story, but is counterproductive in finding meaningful solutions. We all want to get rid of bad houses whether sober living or not, but we think behavior should be the determinant, not the number of leases which will ban many quality citizens who live with multiple lease agreements.
CJX

Granada Hills, CA

#13 Oct 8, 2010
Richard wrote:
THANK YOU COUNCILMAN GREIG SMITH!!!!!! Finally someone at city hall doing something to protect neighborhoods from these nuisances!
Any actions by Greig Smith is LONG over due. He has pretty much ignored the issues in his district. People have been complaining to his office for years about the group homes and he has refused to take any action because his pockets are being lined by the Group Home lobbyists. Mitch Englander is no better.
CJX

Granada Hills, CA

#14 Oct 8, 2010
Michael Ray wrote:
If passed, this will hurt our communities by sending thousands of people into the streets. People who without structured 12 step programs will more than likely fall back into active addiction which intern could lead to an increase in crime and a financial burden to the already broke California Prison System.
Why not base this on complains and statistics? If a house has a nosey neighbor that uses the police to harass the tenants, surly that would be noted at the police station. If the house is linked to problems on the street like arrests or actual crime than by all means that should be looked at.
If a house doesn’t create problems why than persecute that house? There are nuisance and abetment laws in place for just this sort of thing. Why not use the tools the city already has in place.
These people are already in the streets: passed out on someone's front porch, urinating on someone's front lawn, and panhandling on the corner. Try getting the nuisance and abatement laws enforced in our inept city. We have 3 nuisance homes in Granada Hills that the City has been incapable or unwilling to shut down.
Bob

Burbank, CA

#15 Oct 8, 2010
Don't be fooled. Group Homes are a HUGE business. They typically change $500 plus a month and stuff as many bodies into a house as they can. There is no supervision. There are no house rules. There is open liquor use, open drug use. They are not picking up the homeless off the street and housing them. They have no concern for their neighbors. Our City government has largely ignored this issue because the Group Home coalition contributes a lot of money to them.
Mary

Granada Hills, CA

#16 Oct 8, 2010
There are 3 horrendous group homes in Granada Hills. The residents of Granada Hills have been complaining to city officials for over 5 years and we have pretty much been ignored. Last January, Mitch Englander spoke at the OGH Residents Group meeting and blamed everyone else for the problem. When someone showed him pictures and ads he said that just because there are 30 beds in a home does not mean 30 people live there. We have gotten support from the City Attorney's Office but even that has been pretty weak. They raided all 3 homes in April but they are all still in business, raking in the money - tax free. The home by my house is owned by a man serving a 30 year prison sentence. Mitch Englander is trying to say the right things because he wants to be the next CD12 councilman.
Marge

Granada Hills, CA

#17 Oct 8, 2010
Now they have filed bankruptcy! So they will be protected under the bankruptcy law. They work every angle they can. They are SQUATTING!!!
Mark

Inglewood, CA

#18 Oct 8, 2010
I have lived next door to a "Sober Living home" in Reseda for the last 4 years. I have found all the guys to be courteous and respectful and have never had any problems from them. I see them as a group of men who are trying to better their lives. I feel sorry for the people who live near some of these homes referred to above, but there should be a distinction between quality group homes and flop houses.
Mary

Granada Hills, CA

#19 Oct 8, 2010
Group Homes should be licensed by the state. If they are being paid with tax payer dollars, there should be some oversight that these homes meet County Health Codes, are not overcroweded, and that the residents get the physical and emotional help that they need. If they are a "well run" group home, they should have no problem getting licensed.
Kerry

Lodi, CA

#20 Oct 8, 2010
Here's a sarcastic solution...why doesn't LA just put the people with ALL life challenges on an island so that those people don't "bother" the single family residential areas nor live in a neighborhood that allows for multiple housing units! Seriously what is the LA political personnel who came up with this idea to "banish" unlicensed places to live for those with co-occurring disorders? Why not give the unlicensed home owners a chance to be licensed Board & Care facilities...like a 3 month time period? The unlicensed homes are Room & Board facilities, similar to apartment complexes and if the home is a multiple room home...having a parking lot put in for more than 4 cars isn't necessary. I see many of these homes in Sacramento and a "parking lot" isn't necessary. Just continue putting up walls for many of these people to jump over. Funny yet sad thing is...take away these facilities and other resources but the people will continue on! They will be living in your neighborhoods, working on your construction site, maybe even your mechanic or accountant. Would it be easier to swallow that a big bad felon is living next door to you if you didn't know his or her baggage?! Not all ex-cons, former drug addicts, etc are bad bad people...some choose to better their lives and learn lessons from their mistakes. We're human beings, get a damn clue already!
Kerry

Lodi, CA

#21 Oct 8, 2010
...In addition, if a Board & Care/Group Home Manager or Room & Board Home Owners truly cared about the people sheltered, instead of just the rental income...the people would be more involved in their communities as well as standing firm about the House rules in reducing nuisance issues. Sure there are some homes/facilities that let their tenants be rebelious. Evict that person and give the home owner consequences as well. I wouldn't just shut down the home unless it was a danger to others/uninhabitable.
I worked at a group home in the Midwest and the neighbors, on a dead end street, never had complaints about the developmentally challenged boys living there...and at times some of the residents were distracting/noisy. For those who are happy the homes could be "banished", what are your solutions to the shelter problems when they are living on your streets, in your homeless shelters, in your business doorways because there's no other safe shelter now? You come up with the solutions please...oh, banning them to an island to all live together isn't a viable solution so don't bother if you can't come up with a logical/caring answer. Ok, I'm done ranting now :)

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