What do you think about Pentecostal/Holiness Religion

[sherry]

my comments on here are directed to not anyone and i am not by no means be rude or sarcastic that is not my intension. i know there churches that seem to put on a front by shouting and dancing and falling. however, if you don't believe or understand anything about the pentecostal movement i invite you to check one out for yourself. don't go to these churches tha are putting on a front, go to little country churches the ones is what you see is what you get. there is no fake about it. i know alot people especially young people have been misled by so called christian that act so close to God and you see them out in town their cursing or cheatingon their spouse and many other things like that. AGAIN, I STRESS I DON'T MEAN NO HARM TO NOBODY OR BE RUDE OR SARCASTIC. alot of these churches want you to read a pample and read after me and it goes to say accept Jesus in your heart your saved but, you walked away feeling no different than you did before you read. if people really want to be saved by the blood of the lamb which is JESUS! he will send his conviction power to save you and then when you accept him into your heart and soul i know with out a doubt you are truly saved. because, its a feeling like non other.
but, if you want to truly know after you get saved what GOd's plan is for you i can tell you what to do. find you a place that you feel comfortable with and pray, ask God how do you want me to live noit man but, YOU Dear Lord, i and can guarantee you if your truly saved Jesus will meet you where you are praying. i know this for a fact because, when i go to pray i get off to myself and talk to God i first tell him how much i truly love him and thank him for everything that he has done for me, and then i ask him Lord will you teach me how you want me to live not man. because, his ways are much better than our ways. it works for me everytime. i would love to chat more with you all and i love to read each one of these comments however, i have to go to work. i will tell you this, if you don't understand the pentecostal way
to go church service and see for yourself and you be the judge.

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senior11 wrote:

<quoted text>if i were a jew i would be proud of it jesus was a jew .what are you a school teacher worried about some ones proper grammar. get a life you over grown baboon

But Jesus nailed the old law to the cross and made a new covenant with man. I don't understand why you would be proud to be something that says that Jesus was not the Messiah.

[senior11]

april ranta wrote:

<quoted text>listen this is not the way to handle stuff like this.as christians senior we are supposed to show the love and boldness of jesus.when christians talk to people like this and put people who have never experienced the love of jesus christ.we are supposed to be christ like and minded.how are you being the witness and example that you are supposed to be to everyone around you.i am a child of god and seeing your attitude towards this person who is lost and could possibly go to hell really disapoints me.i know you said if you was a jew like jesus was you would be proud but if you want to know the truth god is not proud of his children who belittle sinners.our heart is what sets us apart from the world be unique god loves that.dont be like everybody else and post negative things on here.the comments that u have written on here are disheartening to not just me but to others as well.what would you think of your astor if he came on here saying the same things u did.would you still go to his church would you see him as a christian example for you and your family to follow.as a christian you should be witness and not just saying it but proving there is a god by your godly actions and your change of heart.

no ones perfect and theres nothing wrong with me saying baboon but i do know what your saying fight evil with love. but i still love these people even though there a grow baboon

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april wrote:

well about the denominational thing i guess people want others to believe what they believe and in the mean time people get confused.christianity also otlines music in the bible as a form of worship.thats what the whole book of psalms are...songs by king davi.music is a really important part of worship not the only part.i wrote that the pentecostal seem to get nto the musical worship i didnt say christianity didnt worship with music pentecostal is ALMOST the same thing as christianity but if you walk into a church thats pentecostal you dont have to walk in wearing a dress or suit.some pentecostal believe come as u r.which thats ok because im not the dress type.the music is more upbeat you praise the lord freely.where a baptist church is more preserved.i was raised baptist which i see nothing wrong with a baptist church.but baptists usually dont speak in tongues.where pentecostal do and yes it also talks about speaking in tongues afer jesus died by jesus followers.speaking in tongues is a gift of holy spirit and its like god talking thru someone.ive not really thought about speaking in tongues.and the pentacostal dont believe in once saved always saved.and sound doctrine means in refering to the bible when somebody is preaching or teaching something exactly out of the bible which both christianity and pentecostall is usually the real beliefs of the bible.i only mentioned about sacrificinganimals is because i thought u were serious about thinking people still sacrificed animals.only satanists and pagans do that anymore

There is no music outlined in Christianity. The OT outlines the instruments that can be used in tabernacle and temple worship, but that is outlined in old law, there is no music outlined in the NT. Psalms is OT, if we did everything from OT then we would still be sacrificing animals and be under all of the laws of Moses.(Leviticus)

Pentecostal is almost the same as Christianity? Do Pentecostals not believe in Christ? Where is the word pentecostal in the Bible?

The Bible talks about speaking in tongues, but was it not a gift given to the apostles to help spread the Gospel. Doesn't speaking in tongues mean that they were able to speak in a real language that they did not actually know. That gift left with the apostles.

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senior11 wrote:

<quoted text>no ones perfect and theres nothing wrong with me saying baboon but i do know what your saying fight evil with love. but i still love these people even though there a grow baboon

No one is perfect, but that does not give you the right to purposely be vulgar. Can I go out and kill someone, but then say no one is perfect and the judge would just let me go? I never said there was anything wrong with them a baboon. It was the twat reference. But what was the point of calling anyone a baboon? Kind of silly, isn't it? I don't remember Christ saying something like that and I don't see the love of Christ being reflected by you. You might want to re-evaluate yourself.

[april ranta]

ok it took me little bit of studying but really sad i found the answers to ur questions.pentecoste was a place that the apostles went and preached at.thats where speaking in tongues were discovered at the place of pentecost and the aostals were people just like us when the apostals preached they told people about speaking in tongues.it says in the bible it is a gift from the holy spirit.the apostals may be dead and gone but the holy spirit will never die.if speaking in tongues left with the apostals people still woulnt be speaking in toungues almost two thousand years later.pentecost is mentioned four tims in the book of acts 2:14.in colossians 3:16 paul i think urged people to make a joyful singing in worship to the lord because god loves that.these were the first apostals but when you are a child of god and truly follow him i think thatmakes us apostals.if we believe in jesus as lord and live for that and spread his gospel just as the apostals did.and pentecostals do believe fully in christ.i think its a good thing that u have so many questions.it shows ur interested

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april ranta wrote:

ok it took me little bit of studying but really sad i found the answers to ur questions.pentecoste was a place that the apostles went and preached at.thats where speaking in tongues were discovered at the place of pentecost and the aostals were people just like us when the apostals preached they told people about speaking in tongues.it says in the bible it is a gift from the holy spirit.the apostals may be dead and gone but the holy spirit will never die.if speaking in tongues left with the apostals people still woulnt be speaking in toungues almost two thousand years later.pentecost is mentioned four tims in the book of acts 2:14.in colossians 3:16 paul i think urged people to make a joyful singing in worship to the lord because god loves that.these were the first apostals but when you are a child of god and truly follow him i think thatmakes us apostals.if we believe in jesus as lord and live for that and spread his gospel just as the apostals did.and pentecostals do believe fully in christ.i think its a good thing that u have so many questions.it shows ur interested

I wasn't asking about Pentecost, I was saying that Pentecostal does not appear in the Bible. There is no such thing as pentecostal in the Bible. There is one God, one faith and one church. There are no denominations in the Bible and it is condemned for people to say they are anything other than being of Christ. The Holy Spirit is real and alive, but tongues, miracles and prophecies are gone. The only thing that will stand the test of time is LOVE. I Corinthians 13 takes care of this issue. Even if tongues still existed, they are only used for non-believers. Tongues was used so the little educated apostles could speak to the nations of other tongues (languages) and preach the Good News. Once they believed, the use of tongues with them was not necessary.

Also, women cannot speak in tongues, let's not forget that.

You nailed it on the head with Colossians 3:16. Read it again. What does it say? Sing. What does it not say? Music. If the NT says to do something, it eliminates anything else. The OT says that God told Noah to build an ark out of gopherwood. Would it have been wrong for Noah to use anything other than gopherwood? Yes, very wrong.

Penetecostal is man made and not of God, Christ or the Holy Spirit.

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;One Lord, one faith, one baptism,One God and Father of all..."---Ephesians 4:4-6

[umm]

A few observations:
1) Pentecost appears in the Bible, not in context of the denomination, but that's the same with "Baptist". While we're at it, where is "Catholic" or "Mormon" or "Eastern Orthodox" mentioned? It's a name. Your point is irrelevant.
3) All these comments about pentecostals degrading women are ridiculous. The Church of God and Assembly of God, which are the two most prominent pentecostal denominations, ordain women as pastors. There are no requirements for hair length, dress, or make up.
4) Worship was significant in the old testament, but the musical instruments were not part of the "law". however the New Testament does mention singing and making melody makes glad the heart of God (Ephesians.)

[april ranta]

really sad wrote:

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I wasn't asking about Pentecost, I was saying that Pentecostal does not appear in the Bible. There is no such thing as pentecostal in the Bible. There is one God, one faith and one church. There are no denominations in the Bible and it is condemned for people to say they are anything other than being of Christ. The Holy Spirit is real and alive, but tongues, miracles and prophecies are gone. The only thing that will stand the test of time is LOVE. I Corinthians 13 takes care of this issue. Even if tongues still existed, they are only used for non-believers. Tongues was used so the little educated apostles could speak to the nations of other tongues (languages) and preach the Good News. Once they believed, the use of tongues with them was not necessary.
Also, women cannot speak in tongues, let's not forget that.
You nailed it on the head with Colossians 3:16. Read it again. What does it say? Sing. What does it not say? Music. If the NT says to do something, it eliminates anything else. The OT says that God told Noah to build an ark out of gopherwood. Would it have been wrong for Noah to use anything other than gopherwood? Yes, very wrong.
Penetecostal is man made and not of God, Christ or the Holy Spirit.
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;One Lord, one faith, one baptism,One God and Father of all..."---Ephesians 4:4-6

well we can at least agree to disagree.that is why there are so many denominations is because people have different beliefs.singing is apart of music.im sure plenty of christians to thisday still sing and consider at music.if the old law is gone which i agree some of the things out of the olt testament no longer is a requirement.what about the ten commandments.theres a little saying a friend old me and stuck with me.if you dont follow the ten you dont get in.and this is not to be mistaken as earning your salvation.but i see nothing wrong with going to a pentecostal church.if denominations are wrong then what church in your view is not man made and not wrong.there is nothing wrong with making a joyful noise unto the lord that is part of worship.god never mentions once that he doesnt like music or singing which to me its basially the same thing in my eyes and gods eyes probably to.i guess if you dont like denominations then go to a NON DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH.i go to one and im pretty happy with the church.pentecost is where pentecostal came from thats why they have pentecostal churches and theres nothing wrong with them.

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senior11 wrote:

<quoted text>no ones perfect and theres nothing wrong with me saying baboon but i do know what your saying fight evil with love. but i still love these people even though there a grow baboon

they might be but u have hurt peoples feelins ive seen in another post were u werebelittling someone else.what you are sounding like is a very mean person who has no love at all fo anybody.ur words make u no better than any one else.if it walks like a duck and TALKS like a duck its probably a duck.you have put someone down when you couldve been a witness. your words thru christ couldve led someone on here to the lord.but its highly unlikely calling someone ugly or a babboon.would you call members of ur church these names or what about ur kids the people u really do love.there is nothing wrong with saying babboon but u have used it to put some one down.no one is perfect but that is where the love of chist steps in

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umm wrote:

A few observations:
1) Pentecost appears in the Bible, not in context of the denomination, but that's the same with "Baptist". While we're at it, where is "Catholic" or "Mormon" or "Eastern Orthodox" mentioned? It's a name. Your point is irrelevant.
3) All these comments about pentecostals degrading women are ridiculous. The Church of God and Assembly of God, which are the two most prominent pentecostal denominations, ordain women as pastors. There are no requirements for hair length, dress, or make up.
4) Worship was significant in the old testament, but the musical instruments were not part of the "law". however the New Testament does mention singing and making melody makes glad the heart of God (Ephesians.)

In the Bible it says Women should keep quite in the church house

[DayStar]

umm wrote:

A few observations:
1) Pentecost appears in the Bible, not in context of the denomination, but that's the same with "Baptist". While we're at it, where is "Catholic" or "Mormon" or "Eastern Orthodox" mentioned? It's a name. Your point is irrelevant.
3) All these comments about pentecostals degrading women are ridiculous. The Church of God and Assembly of God, which are the two most prominent pentecostal denominations, ordain women as pastors. There are no requirements for hair length, dress, or make up.
4) Worship was significant in the old testament, but the musical instruments were not part of the "law". however the New Testament does mention singing and making melody makes glad the heart of God (Ephesians.)

Read the traditional wedding ceremony that the preacher recites. Read the bride's part (vows) & then read the groom's vows. Notice a difference? The bride vows to obey the husband. Is there a part where the groom vows to obey the wife ~~ nope.

[bornagain]

If you are interested in where some of the Pentecostal Holiness people get their doctrine the following website provides several references. http://www.holyliving.info

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umm wrote:

A few observations:
1) Pentecost appears in the Bible, not in context of the denomination, but that's the same with "Baptist". While we're at it, where is "Catholic" or "Mormon" or "Eastern Orthodox" mentioned? It's a name. Your point is irrelevant.
3) All these comments about pentecostals degrading women are ridiculous. The Church of God and Assembly of God, which are the two most prominent pentecostal denominations, ordain women as pastors. There are no requirements for hair length, dress, or make up.
4) Worship was significant in the old testament, but the musical instruments were not part of the "law". however the New Testament does mention singing and making melody makes glad the heart of God (Ephesians.)

1) Right, I am glad we are on the same page. Pentecost appears in the Bible, but Pentecostal is a denominational name. There are many names of churches that claim to be the correct church, but they all cannot be right if the Bible says there is one faith, one church. There were no denominations in the NT and it was wrong to say that you were anything other than of Christ. Denominations are wrong. Thank you for backing up that point.

2) I never said they were degrading women. Any church that has a woman as a preach, deacon or elder cannot be of God since the Bible plainly shows that women are not to have any authority over a man in God's church.

3) You are correct, worship was significant in the OT. Musical instruments were not part of Moses' law, however there were part of God's law. When God says use something, He means use that thing. When He said blow trumpets to signal worship, that means blow trumpets. Would it be okay to use a flute? No. The OT speaks about music in regards to tabernacle worship. The OT speaks about music in temple worship. The NT speaks about singing in Christian worship. Those musical instruments went away with the temple. Ephesians says that we are to sing to God, making melody in our heart. If the Bible says that we are to sing and make melody in our heart, then where are we not to make melody? Any kind of melody outside the heart is not adhering to the Bible. There is no reference in the NT that justifies anyone using music in worship. I am a Christian because I try to conform to Christ, I do not have the gall to say that Christ should conform to me. Christian worship is communal. If music was suppose to be part of worship, then everyone in the congregation would be playing music while they sang. So remember, music is described as part as tabernacle worship, music is described in temple worship, but music is not described in Christian worship. If you are Jewish, then based on your belief, you can use music. I am not Jewish, I do not use music during worship. I play many instruments and I love music. I love Christ and respect His word, so I do not try to find loopholes to justify something that is obviously not part of Christian worship.

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april ranta wrote:

<quoted text>well we can at least agree to disagree.that is why there are so many denominations is because people have different beliefs.singing is apart of music.im sure plenty of christians to thisday still sing and consider at music.if the old law is gone which i agree some of the things out of the olt testament no longer is a requirement.what about the ten commandments.theres a little saying a friend old me and stuck with me.if you dont follow the ten you dont get in.and this is not to be mistaken as earning your salvation.but i see nothing wrong with going to a pentecostal church.if denominations are wrong then what church in your view is not man made and not wrong.there is nothing wrong with making a joyful noise unto the lord that is part of worship.god never mentions once that he doesnt like music or singing which to me its basially the same thing in my eyes and gods eyes probably to.i guess if you dont like denominations then go to a NON DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH.i go to one and im pretty happy with the church.pentecost is where pentecostal came from thats why they have pentecostal churches and theres nothing wrong with them.

Singing and music are separate things. The 10 commandments are part of old law. 9 of the 10 re-appear in the NT. Which one is missing? The Sabbath. That is why Christians can work on a Sunday, but they are still to not forsake the assembly of believers. The Sabbath is Saturday, and the Sabbath day was not moved to Sunday. Christ is the Sabbath. In Him we find rest. The Sabbath is no longer a day. The Lord's day is Sunday. The church that is not wrong is the one that follows the NT. Christ's church is not man-made. We can make a joyful noise, but it is with our voices and the melody is in our heart. If the Bible says sing and make melody in your heart, then where is it wrong to make melody? Anywhere outside of the heart. Your voice can admonish God, instruments cannot. Just because a "church" is non-denominational does not mean that it is not flawed. Most non-denoms do not care about your religious background and do not follow the NT or they do follow it, but add to it. I will not assume what God thinks, I can only read the Bible and know what He says. Eternity is a long time. Without it being directly expressed, I will not worship in a manner that may be wrong in God's sight.

[senior11]

umm wrote:

A few observations:
1) Pentecost appears in the Bible, not in context of the denomination, but that's the same with "Baptist". While we're at it, where is "Catholic" or "Mormon" or "Eastern Orthodox" mentioned? It's a name. Your point is irrelevant.
3) All these comments about pentecostals degrading women are ridiculous. The Church of God and Assembly of God, which are the two most prominent pentecostal denominations, ordain women as pastors. There are no requirements for hair length, dress, or make up.
4) Worship was significant in the old testament, but the musical instruments were not part of the "law". however the New Testament does mention singing and making melody makes glad the heart of God (Ephesians.)

finally some one got it right!! amen sister you go get um

[senior11]

if women was supposed to be quite in church then how are they supposed to worship and praise God think about. how do they talk to god if they can't speak. and why would the lord let men speak and praise him and not let a women do it .

[concerned citized]

From your own post, ALL you folks know just enough Bible to be totaly ignorant of the word of God. Know just enough to want to argue. Better take a vacation, close the doors, study, pray, meditate, fast, and ask God to show you ALL the truth. You know the scripture enough to be a danger, or maybe a menace to society. The bad news is, none of you are exactly right. Close, but not wholly right.
Just remember, Judus got close enough to Heaven, that he kissed the door, and still went to His own place.

[DayStar]

concerned citized wrote:

From your own post, ALL you folks know just enough Bible to be totaly ignorant of the word of God. Know just enough to want to argue. Better take a vacation, close the doors, study, pray, meditate, fast, and ask God to show you ALL the truth. You know the scripture enough to be a danger, or maybe a menace to society. The bad news is, none of you are exactly right. Close, but not wholly right.
Just remember, Judus got close enough to Heaven, that he kissed the door, and still went to His own place.

A passage from the bible ~~

KJV, Genesis 3:16
“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”

If you want more of those type things I can cite them. I can even cite them from the new testament.

[DayStar]

concerned citized wrote:

From your own post, ALL you folks know just enough Bible to be totaly ignorant of the word of God. Know just enough to want to argue. Better take a vacation, close the doors, study, pray, meditate, fast, and ask God to show you ALL the truth. You know the scripture enough to be a danger, or maybe a menace to society. The bad news is, none of you are exactly right. Close, but not wholly right.
Just remember, Judus got close enough to Heaven, that he kissed the door, and still went to His own place.

I'll throw this one in as an example from the new testament about women in a church ~~

Timothy 2-11
"Suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."