this is how big i am before u kill me

[Making Sense Of It All]

We are fullfilling the Lord's Plan. Nowhere is it stated that it was going to be easy. In fact, things are going to get much, much worse, before his son returns. It's all part of his plan, but the Good News is that as long as you have accepted Jesus Christ in your heart as your personal saviour then you will be just fine. Faith will get you through ANYTHING in this world!!!

[Making Sense Of It All]

The Lord knows that there is an evil in this world. Satan is going to destroy everything in this world that is Good and will influence people to condemn their very souls to an eternity of HellFire!!!

[Digging a grave]

It always comes back to religion.. Christianity is the reason abortion should be outlawed....

It just doesn't seem like a good enough reason to me....

Don't get me wrong here. I believe in God. I believe that if a person wants to be saved, they'll do what God advises in His holy book. I just don't believe in forcing what I believe on anyone else. I wouldn't want anyone else forcing what they believe on me, and the bible does say treat others the way I want to be treated. I would never.. ever get an abortion. It defiles the body and the soul. But I would never attempt to tell another person what they can't do with their body.

[yeah well]

"It defiles the body and the soul."

Says you... and, that right there is YOUR passing judgement... in direct violation of what GOD would have you do, according to the bible... IF you are "good" Christian, correct?

That's the point. Christianity .. religion ...has no place in legal matters, of which abortion IS a matter of concerning women's rights. Thank You, God.

[Digging a grave]

How is it passing judgment? That is simply what I believe. It's not what everyone believes, and passing judgement isn't the same as believing in something. I could believe that chocolate is the best thing ever created.. but is that the same as calling every person who hates chocolate wicked? No. You took it out of context. You're putting meanings into my mouth.

Yeah, I believe it does defile the body and the soul. Which is why "I" would never get one. I don't care what other people do with their own body. How much simpler can I put it?

It seems like you just want something to argue about.

[TrueBeliever]

Digging a grave wrote:

How is it passing judgment? That is simply what I believe. It's not what everyone believes, and passing judgement isn't the same as believing in something. I could believe that chocolate is the best thing ever created.. but is that the same as calling every person who hates chocolate wicked? No. You took it out of context. You're putting meanings into my mouth.
Yeah, I believe it does defile the body and the soul. Which is why "I" would never get one. I don't care what other people do with their own body. How much simpler can I put it?
It seems like you just want something to argue about.

VERY well stated, couldn't agree more. Bottom line is simple, no sugar coating, right is right, and wrong is wrong. You can't justify either one, and a Christian knows right from wrong. We can always override our guidance, but we know when we do so. We can make a case for any sin to not be sin, but in the end, we all know when we do wrong, don't need man to tell us we messed up, just need to do better, and pray God will forgive us. We all just need to search out our own salvation, pray about the decisions we make, and LISTEN to the guidance He gives us. Just because something (ANYTHING) is the easiest solution, doesn't make it the correct solution. If you believe in God, believe He will guide you, and He will. If you don't believe in God, I hope, for your sake, you will re-examine your beliefs. That's all, not trying to force "My GOD" on anyone, but truly wish EVERYONE could know Him as their personal friend.

[Making Sense Of It All]

Digging a grave wrote:

It always comes back to religion.. Christianity is the reason abortion should be outlawed....
It just doesn't seem like a good enough reason to me....
Don't get me wrong here. I believe in God. I believe that if a person wants to be saved, they'll do what God advises in His holy book. I just don't believe in forcing what I believe on anyone else. I wouldn't want anyone else forcing what they believe on me, and the bible does say treat others the way I want to be treated. I would never.. ever get an abortion. It defiles the body and the soul. But I would never attempt to tell another person what they can't do with their body.

Then why have prisons? Do you advocate releasing murderers and rapists from their prison cells? After all, they are having what others believe to be "right and wrong" onto them too. I never said that Christianity is the reason to outlaw anything. You can put wors in my mouth, but then aren't you forcing what you believe on me? LOL I am not judging either, I am just saying that God puts burdens on us for a reason, when an expecting mother of that new life makes a decision that impacts it in a negative way there may be consequences beyond this world. He designed this existence so we can have FreeWill and make our own Choices. Choose Wisely!!!

[ever hear]

Digging a grave wrote:

How is it passing judgment? That is simply what I believe. It's not what everyone believes, and passing judgement isn't the same as believing in something. I could believe that chocolate is the best thing ever created.. but is that the same as calling every person who hates chocolate wicked? No. You took it out of context. You're putting meanings into my mouth.
Yeah, I believe it does defile the body and the soul. Which is why "I" would never get one. I don't care what other people do with their own body. How much simpler can I put it?
It seems like you just want something to argue about.

If you had meant you say you were speaking only of yourself, you would have stated so. And, yes... simply. But, instead you stated YOUR OPINION as though it were FACT. Which it is not, it's your OPINION. SO.... since it isn't fact, you command that your opinion is fact based on biblical teachings.

Which leads to making yourself obvious that it is yourself "just wanting something to argue about."

An obvious, and a very tired miserable fail tactic of playing at Obtuse. Or... are you actually that sloppy at debate?... nice try though.

"Digging a grave". Oh, the irony. lol

Next....

[Style Is Eternal]

Here's an idea... If you want to "help out" these underage girls who "shouldn't be laying down with men" etc., then why don't you teach birth control methods. NOT abstinence, birth control. Work for a teen help center. Campaign for better sex ed in schools. Something OTHER than what you're doing. I'm pro-choice, which also includes the choice early-on to learn about other ways to PREVENT pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

Simple fact is kids that age dont see future consequences, for the simple fact ur brain is not done forming until your twenties. How about this, when you are almost thirty and find out you have cancer because you began having sex at a young age and a bay, that makes u more prone to cancer, are you going to say u knew the consequences when u got pregnant at 16? No you truly do not know the full consequences. You see a baby now, but what is it that you are not seeing now? Do u know continuing to have sex at 16 puts u at higher risk?

[Anonymous]

truth wrote:

yes i am in support of obamacare cause im not in favor of letting people die cause their poor.and god says judge the not or thall shall be judged,so what are you going to say when your standing in front of god and he asks you why you took it on yourself to judge when he is the only one that can?pretty sad when im a non believer and i know the bible better than you so i win.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! maybe you should be worried bout your soul;)

. Do you support the older people dying when they are turned down because of their age? When if they had their own plan they could pay for their treatment without question?

[Anonymous]

TrueBeliever wrote:

Not trying to argue, or convince anyone, but my beliefs are based on biblical examples:

God said to the prophet Jeremiah, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. Jeremiah 1:5 God knew this man before he was born. As he was forming in his mother's womb God gave him his personality, talents, and temperament. If his mother had gotten an abortion, the "fetal tissue" she aborted would have been a real person named Jeremiah; a mighty prophet of God and the gift of God's voice to the nations, though she would never have known.

The Lord hath called me from the womb: from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. Isaiah 49:1 KJV

Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us within our mothers? Job 31:15

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:13-14

And for the one's that argue against the bible, here are a couple of scientific FACTS:

Just 18 days after conception, the baby's heart begins to beat. At six weeks, brain waves can be measured. At eight weeks the vital organs are functioning and fingerprints have formed. At nine weeks, the unborn baby is able to feel pain. Over 700,000 abortions each year are performed after this point in the pregnancy. By the beginning of the second month, the unborn child, small as it is, has begun to look distinctly human, though the mother may not even be aware that she is pregnant! By the time the baby is eleven weeks old, he or she breaths (fluid), swallows, digests, sleeps, dreams, wakes, tastes, hears, and feels pain. Babies born prematurely can survive outside the womb as young as 20-25 weeks old. Yet, all that is necessary to make the baby a grown human being is already there from the moment of conception. All it needs is time to mature.

Former Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop stated "We now know when life begins because the test-tube baby proves that life begins with conception. What do you have in the dish? An egg and a sperm. What do you add to it to get a baby? Nothing." Though it is wee, it is still a real person, just as a crumb of bread is still real bread. No one who has been given the gift of life should dare despise the day of small beginnings. Have we forgotten so quickly that we were once as small?

"In the tiny, almost invisible thirty two cell blastocyst--in that one gram or so of tissue--there is a physical potential and moral destiny unparalleled in our universe. Next to it, a gram of plutonium is a triviality: plutonium cannot compose a symphony, cannot cure cancer, cannot plan our course to the stars".-Bernard Nathanson, M.D. and former abortionist-

Sorry for the long post, just found a few interesting examples. And as far as it being legal in our country....So is prostitution(NEVADA), gay marriage, pornography, alcoholism, etc... Just because something is legal, doesn't make it morally right, or ethical. In "the end", we all face our judgement, and will have to "own up" to everything we are held accountable for. God doesn't make mistakes, people do..........

drinking alcohol is legal, but where does it say alcoholism is legal? I know a man that even has a breathalyzer at home on his home phone because he is an alcoholic and has been banned completely from drinking at all while on probation for all his DUI. Well its a relative of my inlaw. So I'd say alcoholism is illegal, if the court can do that.

[Anonymous]

Momma Nerd wrote:

Yes, you have rights, you have the right to believe in your own God and His teachings, but you do -NOT- have the right to push those beliefs on other people, which is what you are doing when you say "The Bible IS the LAW". It's not. It's YOUR law. But not everyone is Christian, and you should have the grace to accept that.

I'll tell you what, when they start allowing prayer and Bibles in public school, they'll have to allow the Koran, the Tao Te Ching and the Tipitaka, they'll have to allow teachings from Islam, Wicca and even Satanism. I DO want them to start teaching religion and allowing prayer in schools just for these reasons.

But you're right, that's neither here or there, this is about abortion.

I can understand wanting to convince a 15 year old girl to have a baby rather then abort it.. but then what? Are you going to make sure she graduates highschool while she's pregnant or raising a baby, are you going to support her when she has no education and is too pregnant to get a job or can't afford a babysitter? And if she's adopting out the baby, are you going to pay for the therapy bills when she realizes she'll never see her child again? Are you going to be there to take care of her for all of that? Which is worse, aborting one embryo or destroying the lives of a living, breathing, thinking girl and any future children she might want to have after she has an education and a good job. The woman has rights, too.

Do you see the issues a woman has to deal with when she makes the chose to abort or carry.. She not only has to look at the fetus, she has to look at her own future, the future of that fetus should she choose to carry it to term and the future of any other children she might have. Can she raise a child, go to school, and work? Can she pay bills, can she support it, and for the 9 months she's carrying the fetus, can she take care of herself and it? There is a lot more to it then just "It's wrong." Or are you just blind to those problems, and see everything in black and white, good or bad. It's grey.. it's all grey and you're not even in the place to see that grey, so you really have no right to say it's the wrong choice.

All you have are scare tactics, and those scare tactics can ruin lives... I really hope your God forgives you for that.

it's so easy for a man to stand against abortion, he doesn't feel it inside, lose an easy future, he can walk away, or force a woman to have a baby then walk away and bitch when she needs support because she can't hold down a job.

[Anonymous]

Fetus Endus wrote:

<quoted text>So you are the one that PAID to have mne KILLED? How much do you charge per ABorted Fetus ? Are Twins ExtrA? Do you eat Us after you KILL US?

Do you use a CoatHAnger or do you JUST Inject Poison into the Mother's Womb? Who Died and MAde you the Deciderer? Are you the Whore of Babylon's NEW OBAMANATION? How many are you killing TodaY? Do you Work At the AbortIon Clinic, or the ANTI-FAMILY PLANNING CENTER

because she is pagan she eats fetus? Ignorant!

[Anonymous]

Momma Nerd wrote:

<quoted text>What? Did you even READ what I wrote or are you another one of those morons that just says whatever comes out of his arse at the time?

I said.. pay attention here....

"This is the reason us tax payers have to raise your kids for you."

And what do you think FOOD STAMPS ARE? Who do you think pays those state insurance bills? Who's paying for WIC? Me. I pay my danged taxes so you bloody bible thumpers can start having kids at age 14, have 8 illiterate, brainwashed brats and not pay for a single one of them. And that gives me more of a right to voice my opinion on Abortion then any musty old book ever will.

I swear.. it must be something in the water, I'm going to have to start buying bottled.. cause the bible belt just keeps getting dumber. Hmm.. Maybe it's inbreeding...

"Look at it both ways", did you know the Catholic church has claimed that using a condom is a sin.. and has an active campaign in Africa to abolish the use of Condoms? There are two things about Africa.. The country is highly religious.. and Africa is more heavily affected by HIV and AIDS than any other region of the world. An Almost 23 million people are living with HIV in the region. That's about two thirds of the global total. In 2010 around 1.2 million people died from AIDS and 1.9 million people became infected with HIV. Yet the Church wants them to stop using protection. I'd love to hear a good explanation for this from a Christian.

"God I killed millions of people, but not a one of them used birth control, so their souls are saved!"

there's no answer that is rational enough to explain that.

[slypknaughty]

beech street huh? thats some bad trash your in

[here kitty kitty kitty]

yeah well wrote:

"It defiles the body and the soul."
Says you... and, that right there is YOUR passing judgement... in direct violation of what GOD would have you do, according to the bible... IF you are "good" Christian, correct?
That's the point. Christianity .. religion ...has no place in legal matters, of which abortion IS a matter of concerning women's rights. Thank You, God.

Jesus did not mean we were not to judge. Jesus let us know that our judgment better be righteous, according to God's law, because if we mess it up we will be judged in the same manner

[slypknaughty]

but you southern ppl do it anyways. jesus also said not to gossip. but your on topix, so your all goin to hell!!! im on topix, but im not gossiping am i? nope lol im fkn u all up!

[slypknaughty]

which makes me better than you cuz God loves me more :D