Texas school bars Bible banners at fo...

Texas school bars Bible banners at football games

There are 135 comments on the The Beaumont Enterprise story from Sep 20, 2012, titled Texas school bars Bible banners at football games. In it, The Beaumont Enterprise reports that:

Kountze High School cheerleader Brooke Coates paints scripture verses on a car Wednesday, Sept.

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D Paxton

Houston, TX

#1 Sep 21, 2012
I praise you all for standing up for our LORD and WHAT we believe. I wish ALL ISD's would do the same and PLACE OUR FATHER BACK IN OUR SCHOOLS.

NEVER GIVE UP!!

Since: Feb 12

Tucson, AZ

#2 Sep 21, 2012
Just more evidence that thios country is going to hell in a hand basket.
That banner harms no one and as long as the students want it they should be allowed to do it.
Angie Claybar

Mandeville, LA

#3 Sep 25, 2012
I believe in standing up for your religious freedom. Do not be intimated to stand all for Christ. Ms. OHare took prayer and religion out of school. It can be restored and stand up for your beliefs, if it means you stand alone.

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#4 Oct 24, 2012
UR BS wrote:
That banner harms no one and as long as the students want it they should be allowed to do it.
Public schools should not be promoting religion.

Since: Dec 11

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#5 Oct 24, 2012
Angie Claybar wrote:
I believe in standing up for your religious freedom. Do not be intimated to stand all for Christ. Ms. OHare took prayer and religion out of school.
You believe in standing up for religious freedom but want schools to indoctrinate non-Christian children with Christianity? What a contradiction.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#6 Oct 24, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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Public schools should not be promoting religion.
This is not a public school promoting anything. It is a group of HS Students exercising their first ammendment rights.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#7 Oct 24, 2012
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You believe in standing up for religious freedom but want schools to indoctrinate non-Christian children with Christianity? What a contradiction.
No one is indoctrinating anyone with the exception of those that are soo anti-religion that they are forcing their belief or lack there of on others.

No one has made any indication that should a Muslim or Budhist want to do the same as these kids that they would not be allowed to do it.

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#8 Oct 25, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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This is not a public school promoting anything. It is a group of HS Students exercising their first ammendment rights.
If another group of students wishes to wear school uniforms, build a giant banner with a different message on it, and have the football team run through it, would they be allowed to?

No, they'd be kicked off the field.

The school is promoting the cheerleaders message.

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#9 Oct 25, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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No one is indoctrinating anyone with the exception of those that are soo anti-religion that they are forcing their belief or lack there of on others.
Indoctrination is specifically what the lawsuits in the 60s were preventing. Schools were making kids pray.
UR BS wrote:
No one has made any indication that should a Muslim or Budhist want to do the same as these kids that they would not be allowed to do it.
No one group is given access to the field like that.

Since: Feb 12

Torrance, CA

#10 Oct 25, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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If another group of students wishes to wear school uniforms, build a giant banner with a different message on it, and have the football team run through it, would they be allowed to?
No, they'd be kicked off the field.
The school is promoting the cheerleaders message.
So you have a crystal ball! You know the future!

How about sending the LOTTO numbers this way!

You can not know what you state as fact in your post.
Show me one case where another group has been kicked off the field for displaying a message that was not Christian.

That excuse is lame, always has been and has no basis in fact.

Since: Feb 12

United States

#11 Oct 25, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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Indoctrination is specifically what the lawsuits in the 60s were preventing. Schools were making kids pray.
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No one group is given access to the field like that.
Dang we are still in the sixties? I could have sworn that we were in the 21st century.

Now how about specifics. Exactly what Schools were forcing the kids to pray? Please be specific.

So the football team is not given access to the field? How about the coaches? The visiting team maybe? Seems to me that lots of groups are given just as much access to the field as the Cheerleaders are. That is of course without mention of the fcat that the team agreed to run through the banner and supported the Cheerleaders for it. The community supported the action, no one had a problem with it except some atheist that had to force his stance on to the entire community.
Now one last thing on this and to date not one atheist has been able to answer this. How was that forcing anyone to pray? How was it forcing a belief system on anyone? How many people can you list that were physically harmed by any action these kids took?

It is the PC BS run wild is all that it is. The loud minority inflicting their wills on the more quiet, respectfull majority. It is time for the VAST Majority to stop standing by quietly while their rights are trampled in favor of a very small minoroty.

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#12 Oct 26, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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So you have a crystal ball! You know the future!
Who needs a crystal ball? Football games are organized events where certain people are given access to the field, like the teams, officials, and cheerleaders. Random people don't get to run on the field and hold ceremonies.

Have you ever been to one? Running on the field gets you KICKED OUT.

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#13 Oct 26, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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Dang we are still in the sixties? I could have sworn that we were in the 21st century.
Now how about specifics. Exactly what Schools were forcing the kids to pray? Please be specific.
Please read up on cases like Abington School District v Schempp or Engel v Vitale. Kids had to read Bible verses and were led in prayers by their teachers.

You tell me what purpose that served other than to try to get children to be Christians.
UR BS wrote:
So the football team is not given access to the field? How about the coaches? The visiting team maybe? Seems to me that lots of groups are given just as much access to the field as the Cheerleaders are.
Yes, and those are all groups representing the school.

The field is NOT a public forum. It's that simple.
UR BS wrote:
The loud minority inflicting their wills on the more quiet, respectfull majority. It is time for the VAST Majority to stop standing by quietly while their rights are trampled in favor of a very small minoroty.
You do not have a right to use the government to promote your religion.

You're basically a bully. But you complain that the kid who tells on you to the teacher is bullying you by telling. Totally backwards.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#14 Oct 27, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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Who needs a crystal ball? Football games are organized events where certain people are given access to the field, like the teams, officials, and cheerleaders. Random people don't get to run on the field and hold ceremonies.
Have you ever been to one? Running on the field gets you KICKED OUT.
Never said anything about random people. I guess you are just delusional.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#15 Oct 27, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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Please read up on cases like Abington School District v Schempp or Engel v Vitale. Kids had to read Bible verses and were led in prayers by their teachers.
You tell me what purpose that served other than to try to get children to be Christians.
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Yes, and those are all groups representing the school.
The field is NOT a public forum. It's that simple.
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You do not have a right to use the government to promote your religion.
You're basically a bully. But you complain that the kid who tells on you to the teacher is bullying you by telling. Totally backwards.
How about you provide the court transcripts or at the least a link to those cases. Now you mention 2 cases that would be what percentage of the total number of Schools in the US. The purpose it served was to learn to read. Maybe you should go back a bit more than the 60's and see what had been traditionally utilized as a teaching tool for many, many years.
All those groups do get access to the field that is the point. You see you stated that NO OTHER GROUPS get access to the field when the subject was specifically Cheerleaders so soryy but you were and remain wrong.
No one used the Government to promote anything. It is you that is being the bully not the majority of the community that had absolutely no problem with the banner. I guess that in your world those people in the stands with the John 3:16 signs should be expelled from the game. I mean after all it is a public gathering and in your demented outlook they are forcing their beliefs onto others.
I guess that you have never heard of a little thing called Community Standard. You should talk to Larry Flint about it he could tell you a real good story.
I still have not seen your listing of all the people that were harmed by the banner. I won't hold my breath.
Oh one last thing here. The Government should not be used to promote a religion but it also should not be used to surpress one!

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#16 Oct 28, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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Never said anything about random people. I guess you are just delusional.
Just admit you're wrong. The field is a restricted area.

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#17 Oct 28, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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How about you provide the court transcripts or at the least a link to those cases.
Don't be lazy. Google them.
UR BS wrote:
Now you mention 2 cases that would be what percentage of the total number of Schools in the US.
What does it matter?
UR BS wrote:
The purpose it served was to learn to read.
You're lying. The case was brought forth by a 16 year old. That's a sophmore or junior in high school. No intention of that exercise was about teaching reading.
UR BS wrote:
All those groups do get access to the field that is the point. You see you stated that NO OTHER GROUPS get access to the field when the subject was specifically Cheerleaders so soryy but you were and remain wrong.
You're playing semantics and taking my statement far too literally. I'm talking about groups that might promote a contradictory message.
UR BS wrote:
No one used the Government to promote anything.
Government uniforms, government facility, Christian message approved by government officials.
UR BS wrote:
It is you that is being the bully not the majority of the community that had absolutely no problem with the banner. I guess that in your world those people in the stands with the John 3:16 signs should be expelled from the game.
Spectators in the stands are not representatives of the school. The cheerleaders are.
UR BS wrote:
Oh one last thing here. The Government should not be used to promote a religion but it also should not be used to surpress one!
It's not. Those cheerleaders may do whatever they want when they are representing themselves. But not when they're school representatives being promoted by the school.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#18 Oct 28, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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Just admit you're wrong. The field is a restricted area.
As I said you are delusional. I am not wrong I am only reposting your own words.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Dallas, TX

#19 Oct 28, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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It is a group of HS Students exercising their first ammendment rights.
Next time we're putting up banners that say "Allah rules!"

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#20 Oct 28, 2012
The_Box wrote:
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Don't be lazy. Google them.
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What does it matter?
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You're lying. The case was brought forth by a 16 year old. That's a sophmore or junior in high school. No intention of that exercise was about teaching reading.
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You're playing semantics and taking my statement far too literally. I'm talking about groups that might promote a contradictory message.
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Government uniforms, government facility, Christian message approved by government officials.
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Spectators in the stands are not representatives of the school. The cheerleaders are.
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It's not. Those cheerleaders may do whatever they want when they are representing themselves. But not when they're school representatives being promoted by the school.
You google them they are your claims not mine.
It goes to show the PC insanity of catering to a very, very small minoroty over the vast majority.
I am not lying the 16 year old you mention did not file anything on his own. It was a group of atheists that used him. Besides as I stated historically the Bible was used as a teaching tool in schools for over 100 years. The precident was there.
You want to talk about semantics rdead my previous statement. Your words are your words if you don't want them read as written then write them differently. The Cheerleaders were not out there as a religious group. So by your own principals had they said, Allah, Jesus, Yahew, Buddah etc all on the banner that would be OK.
The GOvernment supplies HS Uniforms and builds HS football facilities? I guess that the people of the community have nothing to do with that stuff in your world.
Funny but by your own wotrds the spectators are in a Government Facility so they should be held by the same standard.
Now since the Cheerleaders are official Government Representatives as you say I guess they can enter into contracts on behalf of the School. Good to know!
The Cheerleaders were doing what they, the football team, and the community wanted it was a bunch of oout of state meddling idiots that stuck their nose in where it has no business.
Bottom line is that you still can n ot show where one person was harmed by anything that these kids did. It is easily seen how this action taken by the atheists is restricting the students from expressing their own beliefs.

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