News | /2008/04/17/

News | /2008/04/17/

There are 22 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 17, 2008, titled News | /2008/04/17/. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

BULLETIN / APRIL 2007 Houses along this secluded stretch of beach in Haena on Kauai's North Shore have been cited by the state for allegedly operating illegal vacation rentals.

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willie higa

United States

#1 Apr 17, 2008
If rental is prohibited, can the units be leased for the month? Isn't over 50% of the state lease land? Whats the difference between a renter and a landlord? Do renters contaminate the environment? Do the make more trash or something? Are they people? Why discriminate. Who cares? The state have too much regulation that don't make sense. I've a two story single dwelling unit in Kalihi. State made me seal the both entrances of the house upstairs. The upstairs is the ground level. Down stairs was the walkout. Back side of the hose was the bottom of the hill. Can't go into the house from the street garage level. Regulation says, the walk out is the main enterance. I got to enter my basement to get to the living quarters, kitchen or bedroom. regulations!
my2cents

Ewa Beach, HI

#2 Apr 17, 2008
If any of these landlords rent on a cash basis, they could be in for state tax or IRS audits by calling attention to theirselves.
Big Okole

Norfolk, VA

#3 Apr 17, 2008
This is just like the illegal B&B's in Lanikai and Kailua.

I can see both sides of the story.

On one hand the renters are on vacation and stay up late at night and drink beer and make a lot of noise. You also have a case where you could have a lot of people staying in a house for a week at a time with limited parking.

Are the homeowners of these illegal rentals paying taxes on the income from the rentals? They should, but if you are doing something illegal it would just attract unwanted attention.
Mokebla

Portland, OR

#4 Apr 17, 2008
People don't like it change the Law! "The Law is the Law," no one is exempt. These home owner think there above the Law. Won't let the ferry in, but let the vacation renter in and do as they please. What's wrong with that picture. Get a grip!
boney okole

Mililani, HI

#5 Apr 17, 2008
The key is residential. You should reside in your dwelling.2 cents is right: tax audits should be done. The state just can't enforce them. Low manpower. Big O is also right: it does happen all over the state. Same problem-enforcement. Vitousek talks about "extremely wealthy". Eh, if you own a home in Haena, but live out of state, I think you ARE EXTREMELY WEALTHY, all things being relative. Those home owners have an unfair advantage as they can run a "Hotel" in a residential area unlike Ritz -Carlton that has to adhere to restrictions. Yet, aren't paying business taxes. Any of them step up and volunteer their records to the state to pay taxes? NO, cause they ARE ILLEGAL.
bad dog

Mililani, HI

#6 Apr 17, 2008
ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL.. there is a reason it is ILLEGAL. the law was passed to protect the land through its use. the landlords are abusing the land and the law. Mokebla is right.. "get a grip". and if you don't live in your house, what you have it for anyway? oh, to make money? and if that is the case.. why can't i have a hotdog stand out next to the rentals. LAND USE laws are why.
Wiggs

Kailua Kona, HI

#7 Apr 17, 2008
These owners knew what they were getting themselves into when they built their homes on conservation lands. They never had any intention to live in these homes. Just to profit from them. They created their own problems and now they are acting like a bunch of crybabies. The only people that are really suffering are the ones who actually live in their homes. Their property taxes have skyrocketed as a result of these profiteers.
Manulele

Honolulu, HI

#9 Apr 17, 2008
These owners of illegal rentals want the best of both worlds (rental and residential and to heck with the community.
jimmy

Hutto, TX

#10 Apr 17, 2008
Wow...if this does not say it ALL!!!! Lives there part time, MUST BE NICE, PLENTY MONEY, COME AND TELL THE LOCAL PEOPLE WE WANT IT OUR WAY OR ELSE...
back2basics

Newport Beach, CA

#12 Apr 17, 2008
Kauai is 1 hurricane away from becoming paradise again. Once it hits, these ILLEGAL vacation renters will be crying about something else. It is what it is. Can't wait for hurricate Iwaniki to hit.
illegals

Honolulu, HI

#13 Apr 17, 2008
Check out Kalihi and Waipahu for all the illegal houses and rentals.
2 sides to every story

Ewa Beach, HI

#14 Apr 17, 2008
i once stayed at one of those rentals, it was truly paradise for 2 days. if it falls into the hands of the extremely wealthy, none of us will have that chance again to enjoy such pristine beauty, even if we now have to pay a little for it. aloha oe hawaii of old, e komo mai to the new powers that be...
John Paine

Venice, CA

#15 Apr 17, 2008
Whatever happened to individual rights as well as the Bill of Rights? Has Big Government gone to far this time? Whatever happened to "Common Sense" and where is Thomas Paine now when we need him? Where is the government that is here to protect our rights?
Hey, just some questions that need answers.

John Paine
Waimea, Kauai
John

Venice, CA

#16 Apr 17, 2008
back2basics wrote:
Kauai is 1 hurricane away from becoming paradise again. Once it hits, these ILLEGAL vacation renters will be crying about something else. It is what it is. Can't wait for hurricate Iwaniki to hit.
So you wish devastation on our Island and you live in New Port the Snob city of Orange Co Ca?
UH Prof

Honolulu, HI

#17 Apr 17, 2008
Vacation rentals are visitor accommodations businesses and are no different than a small hotel or motel. These owners who bought on Kauai knew the law. They are just being greedy and exploiting their community. All illegal vacation rentals in both conservation and residential zoned districts need to be shut-down!
craig watanabe

Kamuela, HI

#18 Apr 17, 2008
The point here is that these homeowners are operating their homes as a business on conservation land which is illegal.

When you buy and build on conservation land you are made aware of the ramifications of purchasing that property.

They (the homeowners)knew this when they bought the land, what did they think? That no one would enforce something that was written and had their names on it as proof of understanding? That's a bit arrogant.

And of course the big question...were these homes listed as rentals? Or are these homeowners renting under the table.

Either way they screwed themselves by shedding light on their dillemma.

I simply don't have any pity for these people, and I'm thinking the courts won't either.
An Observer

Kilauea, HI

#19 Apr 17, 2008
The owners bought conservation land. They knew the rules. They have options. Change the designation to open or rural. Sell. They need to live by the rules in place, after all, they are Bill and Hillary Clinton.
lway

East New Market, MD

#20 Apr 17, 2008
Bill and Hillary? They own houses there?
An Observer

Kilauea, HI

#21 Apr 17, 2008
Iway, like we say over here, only joke. But if Bill and Hill find out you can change the rules after the fact, I'm sure they would feel right at home and start looking for a place within their non-elitist $109 million budget. Kauai might be a little tame for someone who dodges sniper fire in war zones but it would be a place for Bill to bring his employers from Dubai.
islander

United States

#22 Apr 18, 2008
I know some of the owners in Haena, and they are normal, hawaii born and raised people. Not super wealthy, the land was in their family for a few generations. Now the taxes raised on the land are over 50k a year... what do you do if you don't sell? Also, conservation clause was after the original purchase. If everyone in the area sells, only the super-rich will be able to afford to have a house there and pay $50,000 a year in property tax without rentals to cover it, which means more high stone walls, big gates, no more transparency. Sure, everyone hates the rich, but there are always shades of gray. By forcing out long time owners, that area will really become less of a community and kuhio highway there will look like a tunnel of high walls.

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