Up next: Protesting tourists

Up next: Protesting tourists

There are 19 comments on the The Honolulu Advertiser story from Dec 28, 2007, titled Up next: Protesting tourists. In it, The Honolulu Advertiser reports that:

Comment on this story Last Saturday, when the rest of Kaua'i was on the road to Lihu'e to finish Christmas shopping or in the park winding shiny garland around Uncle Skippy's truck for the Waimea town Christmas ...

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Koloa Boy

Honolulu, HI

#1 Dec 28, 2007
Perfect! just perfect! maybe we can set up make shifts huts to demonstrate how, where, when, but not "why" to protest before turning them loose, I mean we got to "Protest with Aloha" or it would mean nothing. You'll probably need some type of insurance to protest to clear up any liability issues. Maybe the Super Ferry can offer discount tickets to protesters who plan to go back and forth between the islands. The long ride will give them time to make any additional signs.
Leinani

Kailua, HI

#2 Dec 28, 2007
Go ahead and laugh. But our unique way of life is going by the roadside. My children will never know what it's like to surf Waikiki when there were only a few hotels and luaus were common. They cannot fish or get to the beach because of all the gated mansions blocking access. They can't even get into Hanauma Bay until after 2 pm when the sun is gone and they can't see the fish anymore. There is no affordable housing for them to live in, so they live with us. But yet devlopers keep building more mansions so more people from elsewhere can live here, eventually making Hawai'i a place only for the very rich to live and the very poor to serve them.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#3 Dec 28, 2007
The hotel magnates in this state have too long ripped off the citizens and returned very little to our state. Tourism, on the whole, has been very bad for hawaii and has warped our economy, our education and our environment. It is an extractive indistry that gives little back.

“4 "Blondie"”

Since: Nov 07

;-) @>--;--

#4 Dec 28, 2007
Up next: Protest our government for setting it up to where we are dependant on imported people and goods.
Andy Parx

Kapaa, HI

#5 Dec 28, 2007
Yes- come to Kaua`i for the protest "block party" in Koloa this Saturday evening... special kama`aina discount at Hale Kau`i on locks, chains and PVC pipe to attach yourselves to the trees and bulldozers next week.

CAR

Since: Oct 07

Hilo, HI & Kaneohe, HI

#6 Dec 28, 2007
There is nothing wrong with tourists who come, spend their money, take some photos and LEAVE.

Poor Kauai. Maybe they should take their heartfelt protests to the polls. After all, it is their own elected officials that allow development to continue.
daojoe

Kahului, HI

#7 Dec 28, 2007
Leinani wrote:
Go ahead and laugh. But our unique way of life is going by the roadside. My children will never know what it's like to surf Waikiki when there were only a few hotels and luaus were common. They cannot fish or get to the beach because of all the gated mansions blocking access. They can't even get into Hanauma Bay until after 2 pm when the sun is gone and they can't see the fish anymore. There is no affordable housing for them to live in, so they live with us. But yet devlopers keep building more mansions so more people from elsewhere can live here, eventually making Hawai'i a place only for the very rich to live and the very poor to serve them.
What's crazy is that people are protesting the tree cutting and the super ferry, but don't do anything about the construction of those luxury condos in Poipu. There's some big time development going on down there. Developments like that will make Kauai more crowded, not the SF.
who do you blame

San Diego, CA

#8 Dec 28, 2007
The tourists who try to make a difference, or the local who drives by and complain that protesters need to be born in Hawaii to be right about an issue? Did Lee Cataluna write a column calling citizens to action during the condos' planning stages, so they could make a difference?
Of course not. An Advertiser columnist doesn't take on real estate developers by name. It's much easier to sit in a cushy job in Honolulu and criticize others for spending their vacation waving signs.
Will the tourists make a difference at this date? Probably not. But Lee Cataluna's the one who decided it was too late to fight for Koloa. No worries, though - in a few years she'll write a column that points out how special it is to be a local who remembers what Koloa used to be like; and she'll hope nobody notices that she didn't use her position as a columnist to do anything about it.
daojoe

Kahului, HI

#9 Dec 28, 2007
I think she was trying to point out the irony of the tourists protesting a development made to service... tourists.

And Hawaii new comers telling lifetime Hawaii residents to 'go home' or 'go back'. They tell others to 'go back' because Kauai is so crowded and there's so much traffic. Maybe it's because they moved here...? Irony, no?
GINGER-GIRL

Waipahu, HI

#11 Dec 28, 2007
Leinani wrote:
Go ahead and laugh. But our unique way of life is going by the roadside. My children will never know what it's like to surf Waikiki when there were only a few hotels and luaus were common. They cannot fish or get to the beach because of all the gated mansions blocking access. They can't even get into Hanauma Bay until after 2 pm when the sun is gone and they can't see the fish anymore. There is no affordable housing for them to live in, so they live with us. But yet devlopers keep building more mansions so more people from elsewhere can live here, eventually making Hawai'i a place only for the very rich to live and the very poor to serve them.
I am not being rude...sure I will get jumped on for this...
Why could your "boys" not own one of those homes? I dont understand why you would write off your kids and assume they will have to live with you forever. I thought Hawaiians were fighters and all I ever seem to see is them throwing the towel in.
daojoe

Kahului, HI

#17 Dec 28, 2007
who do you blame wrote:
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Aloha Dao,
I appreciate your point, but I don't think it's irony. I think that it's something sad when tourists actually protest something made to service themselves. How bad do things have to get that the very demographic a development is meant to serve says 'dude, enough is enough!"
But my main point was that even the subtlety you use to interpret Lee Cataluina's column is beyond her ability as a writer and especially as an advocate. It's not enough to say that tourists who protest here look stupid (and I think we all agree they do, it's a ridiculously easy point to make); it's a more challenging question to say, why are they willing to look that way? The unfortunate answer is that they are willing to look stupid because so many of us who live here aren't willing to take such chances - WE are the ones not willing to stand up to development...
And if Lee Cataluna were as brave as she'd like us to think she is, she'd use her position as the 'local voice' in Hawaii's biggest newspaper to take on some of these developments before deciding, as she apparently did for Koloa, that 'it's too late.'
She's as big a coward as the rest of us. No bigger, no smaller. But you and I aren't pretending to be the voice of local-born Hawaii. That's exactly what she pretends to be, even though she's a plantation-manager's daughter who has never known what it's like to have to work two service jobs to keep your family fed. So let her write about widows and orphans and bell-ringers; but please, let's not let her go off on development when she's as big a part of the problem as anyone else. Let's encourage her to shut up when people who don't look like her decide to protest something.
I still see it as ironic. Also, those trees are historic? How old do trees need to be before they are deemed historic?
Palu

Hilo, HI

#21 Dec 29, 2007
Andy Parx wrote:
Yes- come to Kaua`i for the protest "block party" in Koloa this Saturday evening... special kama`aina discount at Hale Kau`i on locks, chains and PVC pipe to attach yourselves to the trees and bulldozers next week.
Whites up-front, and the Brownies hit the back.
no make

Kailua Kona, HI

#22 Dec 29, 2007
Leinani has a point - how many affordable housing developments do you see going up right now? How many luxury high rises or subdivisions on O'ahu, Maui and Kaua'i do you see going up right now? Rich people like Oprah Winfrey buy multi-million dollar homes in these islands that we call home, and she doesn't even live here which means she isn't realizing or appreciating what Hawai'i is beyond the HVCB packaged "paradise on earth vacation spot" - you only get to know the value of this place by being here everyday, living here. People like beloved Oprah who buy those million dollar mansions drive up the price of ... land ... another problem/discussion in itself. And those people who want to be here everyday, who enjoy taking care of our islands - can't compete, for WHATEVER reason. Why don't all of you who gave Leinani some lip - go take some classes at Manoa about the culture and people that was here before all of you (if you are non-Hawaiian) and try to give a little respect.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#23 Dec 29, 2007
true...the income gap between the rich and middle class, much less the armies of the poor, is appalling. When will the woudns caused by the Bush pro-rich tax policies be healed?
Paradise for Sale

Kailua, HI

#24 Dec 30, 2007
who do you blame wrote:
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I wouldn't concede that they are historic, but they are special. It's something special to travel among them, as hundreds of vistors have conceded. But Lee Cataluna is referring to the fact that her father lost his eye playing with his brother among those trees. So they are clearly historical to her. Not exactly a secret on Kauai.
But just anotoer non-published fact that might mkae a Lee Cataluna clomun more sensible...
Who do you blame,
Are your comments in response to the protest? or are you using this forum as a soapbox to announce your 'pretend psuedo-association' with Lee Cataluna. Stick to the topic.
I'd say, your a coward...you didn't reveal your real name or state your obvious association with her.
Rootz

Hilo, HI

#25 Dec 30, 2007
Tourists protesting tourists. This is classic stuff. Similar to the hordes of clueless Californians who moved to Maui telling Hawaiians on the Superferry to GO HOME. HA! If this doesn?t make me laugh.
GINGER-GIRL

Waipahu, HI

#27 Dec 30, 2007
Dirk Diggler wrote:
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It's called business 101 "supply & demand". Hawaii is a desirable place to own land, that is why it is so expensive. You can go buy 10 acres in New Mexico for a couple grand, it doesn't mean you want to live there. Oprah, even though i despise her she has the freedom to buy as many houses in this country as people will sell to her. She has the right to stay in there one day or 365. Obviously she does appreciate it since she bought it but her career is based in Chicago not Maui. Enough with the respect crap, you sound like a rapper.
HA! Most of them think they are rappers!
How is wanting more for your kids racist? I told the lady not to sell her kids so short! You people will NEVER make it in the real world! Just sit at the computer and whine about the high cost of living. Dirks post is spot-on! Any in demand city or state is going to be expensive! It is not a Hawaii exclusive! If you can't make it here...guess what...you will not be able to live in many places! Most of my friends that moved here and purchased homes did so because it was CHEAPER at the time!!! So please give me a break with how expensive life is here in Hawaii. I for one want prices to keep rising as we have enough riff raff already!
GINGER-GIRL

Waipahu, HI

#28 Dec 30, 2007
To anyone that sees my posts on here...please let these people know I dont give a sh*t, so spare me the racist comments. You guys will put out the race card everytime as a BIG EXCUSE not to join the rest of the planet. Do you really think this chain of beautiful tropical islands are not going to attract people from all over the world? Life is expensive and is going to get even more so. You will either be prepared or life will get even more difficult.
anon

Honolulu, HI

#30 Jan 10, 2008
I guess a new post office, bank, grocery store and local shops are too much development for the people who rather drive around tree roots or drive to Lihue for these services.

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