The Supreme Court’s Marriage Decisions by the Numbers

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“Commander & Chef”

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Jun 27, 2013
 
Evidently the Supreme Court's decisions yesterday regarding homosexual marriage were not as big a deal as first thought.
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The Morning Bell
by Jennifer Marshall

The morning after two important—and troubling—Supreme Court decisions in the Proposition 8 and Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) cases, here’s the lay of the land. The important takeaway: The marriage debate is every bit as live today as it was yesterday morning…and that means it’s time to redouble our efforts to stand for marriage across America. Some key numbers following the decisions:

50 - The number of states whose marriage laws remain the same after the Court’s marriage decisions.

38 - The number of states with laws defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman. That includes California, where the scope of today’s Prop 8 decision beyond the specific plaintiffs will be the subject of ongoing debate and, most likely, further litigation.

12 - The number of states that can now force the federal government to recognize their redefinition of marriage. The Court struck Section 3 of DOMA, which means that it must recognize same-sex marriages in states that redefine marriage.

1 - The number of sections of the Defense of Marriage Act struck down yesterday (Section 3). Section 2, which ensures that no state will be forced to recognize another state’s redefinition of marriage, is still law.

0 - The number of states forced to recognize other states’ redefinition of marriage.

The important news you may not be hearing is that the U.S. Supreme Court did not redefine marriage across the nation. That means the debate about marriage will continue. States are free to uphold policies recognizing that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, so that children have a mother and a father.

States will lead the way even as we work to restore clear marriage policy at the federal level. And in the states, support for marriage as the union of a man and a woman remains strong.

Still, the Court should have respected the authority of California citizens and Congress.

On DOMA, the Court did not respect Congress’s authority to define marriage for the purposes of federal programs and benefits. The Court got federalism wrong.

On Proposition 8, the citizens of California who voted twice to pass Prop 8 should have been able to count on their Governor and Attorney General to defend the state’s constitution. That’s what democratic self-government is all about.

Now more than ever, we need to make it clear why marriage as the union of a man and a woman matters—for children, for civil society, and for limited government. As citizens, we all need to be prepared to make the case for marriage. That’s why we at Heritage have worked with allies to produce a booklet called “What You Need to Know about Marriage.”

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Anon

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Wow, that's pretty big stretch, especially the California interpretation, but considering the source, Heritage, no wonder. They are, after all, an integral part of the Crazy Republican Party.™

However, you left off the most important number:

Total number of heterosexual marriages that will be impacted by DOMA repeal and same-sex marriage: ZERO.

My prediction is you'll see 30 or more states eliminate discrimination in state law and fully on board with equality for ALL citizens within 10 years time, and the remainder within 20 years.
LonePalm Sux

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Jun 27, 2013
 
Ah, the Heritage Foundation. Always willing to whip the asshats into a lather over nothing at the Koch Brothers' bidding.

Koch-sucking asshat.
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Anon wrote:
Wow, that's pretty big stretch, especially the California interpretation, but considering the source, Heritage, no wonder. They are, after all, an integral part of the Crazy Republican Party.™
However, you left off the most important number:
Total number of heterosexual marriages that will be impacted by DOMA repeal and same-sex marriage: ZERO.
My prediction is you'll see 30 or more states eliminate discrimination in state law and fully on board with equality for ALL citizens within 10 years time, and the remainder within 20 years.
With no traditional man-woman marriages being impacted by the DOMA decision, what was all the squealing about?
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NFL Guy wrote:
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With no traditional man-woman marriages being impacted by the DOMA decision, what was all the squealing about?
It's just the Republicans way. They hate not being in charge of the world. They need to be in control of women and people of color. They need for those two particular groups to "know your place" as the Republican spokesperson said on TV the other day.

So if you aren't a middle aged or older white male, you squeal about all change, even good change like this, because it's something not under Republican control. And that's why they're called the Crazy Republican Party.™ Stay away. Stay far, far away. They'll be gone soon.
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This lays the foundation to insure all Americans have basic civil rights. In the 60's black civil rights started with legislation like this it took 30 to 40 years to make sure all people were treated fairly. This is the first of many landmark improvements to insure equality in the US. And religious bigots will just have to back off and consider other's rights and opinions as well as separation of church and state.
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LonePalm wrote:
Evidently the Supreme Court's decisions yesterday regarding homosexual marriage were not as big a deal as first thought.
So LonePalm, how's the California Prop 8 Heritage nonsense working out for you? California rightfully resumed same-sex marriage yesterday afternoon. Here's a link with a photo of the first happy couple. Do they look all scary to you? Will their marriage cause yours to now crumble? Just curious what you're so scared of with all these bigoted anti-same-sex postings of yours.

http://www.berkeleyside.com/2013/06/28/berkel...

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Anon wrote:
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So LonePalm, how's the California Prop 8 Heritage nonsense working out for you? California rightfully resumed same-sex marriage yesterday afternoon. Here's a link with a photo of the first happy couple. Do they look all scary to you? Will their marriage cause yours to now crumble? Just curious what you're so scared of with all these bigoted anti-same-sex postings of yours.
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2013/06/28/berkel...
Do not misrepresent my position on this subject. I am neither scared of nor bigoted against homosexuals.'Homophobia' is currently one of the most deliberately misused words in the English language.

I am yet to hear a POSITIVE argument for either homosexuality or homosexual marriage. All you have to offer is libel and slander against us because we disagree with you politically. It is not enough for you to win in the courts or at the ballot box. Your opponents must be demeaned and dehumanized by assigning non-existent base motives to them, their beliefs, and their actions. That is low, so very low.
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What's low, so very low, is "good Americans" like yourself content to sit idly by while certain citizens are not afforded the same rights, privileges and protection of the law as you. Where is your outrage at this injustice? Where is your supportive action?

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LonePalm wrote:
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Do not misrepresent my position on this subject. I am neither scared of nor bigoted against homosexuals.'Homophobia' is currently one of the most deliberately misused words in the English language.
I am yet to hear a POSITIVE argument for either homosexuality or homosexual marriage. All you have to offer is libel and slander against us because we disagree with you politically. It is not enough for you to win in the courts or at the ballot box. Your opponents must be demeaned and dehumanized by assigning non-existent base motives to them, their beliefs, and their actions. That is low, so very low.
"Do not misrepresent my position on this subject. I am neither scared of nor bigoted against homosexuals." Yet you do nothing about ending this second-class treatment of other Americans. Shame on you. Real, brave Americans are actively involved in correcting this injustice. Cowards do nothing. Did you act the same in the 50's and 60's when other Americans were being treated as second-class citizens? I suspect you, bubba, former democratic voter and bubba131 did just that. Shame on you.

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Jill wrote:
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"Do not misrepresent my position on this subject. I am neither scared of nor bigoted against homosexuals." Yet you do nothing about ending this second-class treatment of other Americans. Shame on you. Real, brave Americans are actively involved in correcting this injustice. Cowards do nothing. Did you act the same in the 50's and 60's when other Americans were being treated as second-class citizens? I suspect you, bubba, former democratic voter and bubba131 did just that. Shame on you.
I do not see limiting marriage to one man and one woman an injustice to anyone.

Conflating the homosexual marriage issue with civil rights is an injustice to the Civil Rights Movement but I suppose it is all you have. I am yet to hear anyone make a POSITIVE argument for homosexual marriage.

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