Is Jason Spencer a kook?

Is Jason Spencer a kook?

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Redneck

United States

#1 May 18, 2010
Karen from another thread says he is. She even tried to tie him into the Texas Book Commissions decision to not have Thomas Jefferson in a particular book. When I questioned her she referred me to the AOL News website. Here is part of the article she apparently wanted me to read:

According to Texas Freedom Network, a group that opposes many of the changes put in place by the Board of Education, the original curriculum asked students to "explain the impact of Enlightenment ideas from John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau and Thomas Jefferson on political revolutions from 1750 to the present."


AP
The Texas Board of Education is dropping President Thomas Jefferson from a world history section devoted to great political thinkers.
That emphasis did not sit well with board member Cynthia Dunbar, who, during Friday's meeting, explained the rationale for changing it. "The Enlightenment was not the only philosophy on which these revolutions were based," Dunbar said.

The new standard, passed at the meeting in a 10-5 vote, now reads, "Explain the impact of the writings of John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau, Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and Sir William Blackstone."

By dropping mention of revolution, and substituting figures such as Aquinas and Calvin for Jefferson, Texas Freedom Network argues, the board had chosen to embrace religious teachings over those of Jefferson, the man who coined the phrase "separation between church and state."

Now Karen, what "political revolution" did Jefferson lead? Just as others have stated on here before, the Civil War started over state rights, not slavery.

Maybe you should read articles before using them as references!
smokindown95

Dennis, MS

#2 May 18, 2010
If Thomas Jefferson is a kook and a "revolutionary" by Karen's terms, then Jason Spencer is considered to be in good company!

Associating Jason with Jefferson, Votaire, Hobbes, Thomas Aquinas and Sir William Blackstone is a esteemed group of men to be grouped with. Great job Karen!! What an honor. Might want to rethink who you call a kook when making comparisons!!!
ANON

Norridgewock, ME

#3 May 19, 2010
Redneck wrote:
Karen from another thread says he is. She even tried to tie him into the Texas Book Commissions decision to not have Thomas Jefferson in a particular book. When I questioned her she referred me to the AOL News website. Here is part of the article she apparently wanted me to read:
According to Texas Freedom Network, a group that opposes many of the changes put in place by the Board of Education, the original curriculum asked students to "explain the impact of Enlightenment ideas from John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau and Thomas Jefferson on political revolutions from 1750 to the present."
AP
The Texas Board of Education is dropping President Thomas Jefferson from a world history section devoted to great political thinkers.
That emphasis did not sit well with board member Cynthia Dunbar, who, during Friday's meeting, explained the rationale for changing it. "The Enlightenment was not the only philosophy on which these revolutions were based," Dunbar said.
The new standard, passed at the meeting in a 10-5 vote, now reads, "Explain the impact of the writings of John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, Voltaire, Charles de Montesquieu, Jean Jacques Rousseau, Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and Sir William Blackstone."
By dropping mention of revolution, and substituting figures such as Aquinas and Calvin for Jefferson, Texas Freedom Network argues, the board had chosen to embrace religious teachings over those of Jefferson, the man who coined the phrase "separation between church and state."
Now Karen, what "political revolution" did Jefferson lead? Just as others have stated on here before, the Civil War started over state rights, not slavery.
Maybe you should read articles before using them as references!
just like Spencer, you speak in half truths.
Yes the war was over states rights, the main one being the states rights to have human slaves in bondage. Redneck, spin it how you will but the religous right that Spencer represents wants all mention of great men like Jefferson removed based on his beleif that religion should not be used in governing our great country. And yes, Spencer is a KOOK and and whacko at that.
Redneck

United States

#4 May 19, 2010
ANON wrote:
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just like Spencer, you speak in half truths.
Yes the war was over states rights, the main one being the states rights to have human slaves in bondage. Redneck, spin it how you will but the religous right that Spencer represents wants all mention of great men like Jefferson removed based on his beleif that religion should not be used in governing our great country. And yes, Spencer is a KOOK and and whacko at that.
ANON, can you tell me where Jefferson said "separation of church and state" other than his letter to the Danbury Baptist?

No matter how hard you try to deny it the majority of our founding fathers believed in a "surpreme being" and most of them went so far as to call it "GOD."

No one is trying to jam God down anyones throat. If you read the writings of the founding fathers you will see that even if they did not profess a deep belief in God they at least adhered to most of his teachings!
Redneck

United States

#5 May 19, 2010
ANON, are there any groups other than the Texas Freedom Network that believe that christians are trying to remove Jefferson from our text books?
Marion

Inola, OK

#6 May 19, 2010
This from Wikipedia; "Reflecting a concept often credited in its original form to the English political philosopher John Locke,[1] the phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to the letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state.[2] The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept."
teach

United States

#7 May 19, 2010
Redneck wrote:
ANON, are there any groups other than the Texas Freedom Network that believe that christians are trying to remove Jefferson from our text books?
Hey Neck, if you will check, all of our school books in Camden come from Texas. Thay are the major publishers for school books and influence American education more than any other entity.
Marion

Inola, OK

#8 May 19, 2010
And, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
That means in one case, there is no official religion.
Not PC

Laurel, MD

#9 May 19, 2010
He is a lot of things; constitutionalist, conservative, states rights advocate, individual freedoms advocate, limited government advocate, and so on. But a kook?

Kook: A person regarded as strange, eccentric, or crazy.

I guess since he is outside the current political "establishment" and mindset way of thinking, then yes, he is a Kook.

VOTE FOR THE KOOK!!
Anon

United States

#10 May 19, 2010
If he lets {LackawanaRR} keep politicing for him he is most definately a KOOK! He is a jerk!!!
Redneck

United States

#11 May 19, 2010
teach wrote:
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Hey Neck, if you will check, all of our school books in Camden come from Texas. Thay are the major publishers for school books and influence American education more than any other entity.
Hey teach, who is putting out half truths now. I don't know where the books are actually written or published but the reason that Texas has influence in what is contained in the text books is they are the largest and earliest buyers of texts and as such the publishers tend to write and publish what Texas wants. If you do like that system get the state of Georgia to write, edit, and get the publishers to print what the state wants!
Redneck

United States

#12 May 19, 2010
"If you do like" = If you do not like
Teach

United States

#13 May 19, 2010
Redneck wrote:
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Hey teach, who is putting out half truths now. I don't know where the books are actually written or published but the reason that Texas has influence in what is contained in the text books is they are the largest and earliest buyers of texts and as such the publishers tend to write and publish what Texas wants. If you do like that system get the state of Georgia to write, edit, and get the publishers to print what the state wants!
If I could get the school system to print their own books I would be living in a bottle and granting wishes to all. The fact is that Texas influences the entire nation with their school books. The fact is Texas wants to rid all text books of any mention of seperation of church and state. Surely you are not so naive to beleive that zealots to the far left and the far right are not looking for ways to influence our youth and create a culture that fits their needs. The religous right has a mission to bring god to the front of our education, I don't like that idea and wish they would leave it at home where it should be taught.
Do What

Kingsland, GA

#14 May 19, 2010
Not PC wrote:
He is a lot of things; constitutionalist, conservative, states rights advocate, individual freedoms advocate, limited government advocate, and so on. But a kook?
Kook: A person regarded as strange, eccentric, or crazy.
I guess since he is outside the current political "establishment" and mindset way of thinking, then yes, he is a Kook.
VOTE FOR THE KOOK!!
The Kook has my vote then...I guess if you are for freedom and common sense approach to things these days, then your a KOOK.
Not PC

Laurel, MD

#15 May 19, 2010
Teach, show us where in our founding documents (not your or anyone's interpretation) there is a call for separation of church and state. It does not exist.
Teach

United States

#16 May 19, 2010
Not PC wrote:
Teach, show us where in our founding documents (not your or anyone's interpretation) there is a call for separation of church and state. It does not exist.
Dear Spencer, If you are looking for a hidden amendment for the seperation of church and state than no, it is not spelled out in those exact terms. Unless one was there in the discussion leading to the constituition, and there are recorded documents of those meetings that in fact call for such speration, one can not know exactly what was meant. But there are many other amendments that have these same gray areas that Kooks like Spencer like to use as a tool for pushing their religion on our kids. This is fine as long as the religion is that of the main stream. But let a different service and these same kooks will do all they can to have this same seperation. Goodbye Spencer, enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.
Not PC

Laurel, MD

#17 May 19, 2010
Teach wrote:
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Dear Spencer, If you are looking for a hidden amendment for the seperation of church and state than no, it is not spelled out in those exact terms. Unless one was there in the discussion leading to the constituition, and there are recorded documents of those meetings that in fact call for such speration, one can not know exactly what was meant. But there are many other amendments that have these same gray areas that Kooks like Spencer like to use as a tool for pushing their religion on our kids. This is fine as long as the religion is that of the main stream. But let a different service and these same kooks will do all they can to have this same seperation. Goodbye Spencer, enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.
I'm not Spencer...just an fyi.
larry

United States

#18 May 19, 2010
Not PC wrote:
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I'm not Spencer...just an fyi.
Sure your not. We all know Spencer does not spend anytime on here.(wink, wink). Just like his brother doesn't either.(wink, wink)
Get over it guys and go tea bag each other.
SWAMPBIKER

Nahunta, GA

#19 May 19, 2010
let me start by saying this first and foremost,for those of you calling Jason Spencer a "KOOK" you have absoulutely no clue as to what you are talking about. Furthermore, associating Jason Spencer with Thomas Jefferson is probably the best compliment you could have given him.GOOD JOB!
ANON-He is a jerk!!! WHERE IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM? You are another one that has misguided information and obviously has no idea who you're speaking of. I'll give you a run down on Jason Spencer, I have known him for some time and I can tell you he is far from being a jerk! HE is a Christian man and believes in GOD and relies on him on a daily basis to do his job to the best of his ability. The mere fact that you say what you have, makes me think you're here for nothing more than to slam this man just for the simple fact of trying to keep the public misinformed about the competition and trying to bad mouth a man who stands for the Constitution,American rights,and Freedom in our country and turn the votes to the incumbant who has not done anything for Camden County. This man opposes illegal immigration,and is a #1 supporter of the bill of rights and believes whole heartedly that our rights as citizens were given to us by the ALL MIGHTY GOD HIMSELF and not given to us by men. As far as the separation of church and state, you all have contradicted yourself. You state that Jason supports separation of church and state, which he does,and then you turn around and accuse him of trying to push religion in education; this couldn't be farther from the truth and is a full blown lie! Religion should be handled at home, not in the classroom; and that my friends is Jason's stance on it. TEACH: let me get a few words plugged at your ludacris statements. I cant imagine a man to be considered a "KOOK" as you have named him, that works his fingers to the bone to support his wife and two children. I cant see how you sleep at night when you are speaking about a man who fights for the very freedom his father and his grandparents, and uncles and cousins fought for.I might also add he fights for the very freedoms you use such as freedom of speech, to slam him with. You folks better get your stories and facts straight before mouthing off with ridiculous statements such as the ones that have been said in previous posts. This man needs to be the man to go to Atlanta and fight for whats right in Camden and Glynn counties. Anyone else will just be wasting space,filling the position and collecting a small check just to have STATE REPRESENTATIVE on their licence plate on the back of their car and rub elbows with the folks who don't do anything more than continue to run a corrupt government!
smack down

Dennis, MS

#20 May 19, 2010
SWAMPBIKER wrote:
let me start by saying this first and foremost,for those of you calling Jason Spencer a "KOOK" you have absoulutely no clue as to what you are talking about. Furthermore, associating Jason Spencer with Thomas Jefferson is probably the best compliment you could have given him.GOOD JOB!
ANON-He is a jerk!!! WHERE IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION FROM? You are another one that has misguided information and obviously has no idea who you're speaking of. I'll give you a run down on Jason Spencer, I have known him for some time and I can tell you he is far from being a jerk! HE is a Christian man and believes in GOD and relies on him on a daily basis to do his job to the best of his ability. The mere fact that you say what you have, makes me think you're here for nothing more than to slam this man just for the simple fact of trying to keep the public misinformed about the competition and trying to bad mouth a man who stands for the Constitution,American rights,and Freedom in our country and turn the votes to the incumbant who has not done anything for Camden County. This man opposes illegal immigration,and is a #1 supporter of the bill of rights and believes whole heartedly that our rights as citizens were given to us by the ALL MIGHTY GOD HIMSELF and not given to us by men. As far as the separation of church and state, you all have contradicted yourself. You state that Jason supports separation of church and state, which he does,and then you turn around and accuse him of trying to push religion in education; this couldn't be farther from the truth and is a full blown lie! Religion should be handled at home, not in the classroom; and that my friends is Jason's stance on it. TEACH: let me get a few words plugged at your ludacris statements. I cant imagine a man to be considered a "KOOK" as you have named him, that works his fingers to the bone to support his wife and two children. I cant see how you sleep at night when you are speaking about a man who fights for the very freedom his father and his grandparents, and uncles and cousins fought for.I might also add he fights for the very freedoms you use such as freedom of speech, to slam him with. You folks better get your stories and facts straight before mouthing off with ridiculous statements such as the ones that have been said in previous posts. This man needs to be the man to go to Atlanta and fight for whats right in Camden and Glynn counties. Anyone else will just be wasting space,filling the position and collecting a small check just to have STATE REPRESENTATIVE on their licence plate on the back of their car and rub elbows with the folks who don't do anything more than continue to run a corrupt government!
Wow!!! Great rebuttal SWAMPBIKER!!!

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