NSA domestic spy programs/Patriot Act

NSA domestic spy programs/Patriot Act

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Ben Franklin

Saint Marys, GA

#1 Jun 10, 2013
Those who would give up their liberty for security, deserve neither.
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#2 Jun 10, 2013
Ben Franklin wrote:
Those who would give up their liberty for security, deserve neither.
Wow, what a witty quote that contributes nothing to the dialogue on this issue. For the sake of argument, however, why don't you tell us all why what is occurring is either (a) an acceptable law enforcement tool, or (b) an egregious violation of our Constitutional rights. You started the thread, so dazzle us with what I will presume will be nothing more than your libertarian nonsense.
Ben Franklin

Saint Marys, GA

#3 Jun 10, 2013
Give Me a Break wrote:
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Wow, what a witty quote that contributes nothing to the dialogue on this issue. For the sake of argument, however, why don't you tell us all why what is occurring is either (a) an acceptable law enforcement tool, or (b) an egregious violation of our Constitutional rights. You started the thread, so dazzle us with what I will presume will be nothing more than your libertarian nonsense.
The witty quote of for those with a brain who might have something to contribute to the discussion/debate. You, of course, are excluded.
Scandal Diarrhea

Saint Marys, GA

#4 Jun 11, 2013
Not sure how I feel about this person. Why now is the question I ask ? And of all places China.
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#5 Jun 11, 2013
Ben Franklin wrote:
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The witty quote of for those with a brain who might have something to contribute to the discussion/debate. You, of course, are excluded.
Yawn. I notice you have yet to offer anything constructive on the topic, notwithstanding my invitation to dazzle us with more than a quote I am certain you found on Google. Quit wasting everyone's time with your blather. If you have something to say, then say it. Otherwise, go away.
Ben Franklin

Saint Marys, GA

#6 Jun 11, 2013
Give Me a Break wrote:
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Yawn. I notice you have yet to offer anything constructive on the topic, notwithstanding my invitation to dazzle us with more than a quote I am certain you found on Google. Quit wasting everyone's time with your blather. If you have something to say, then say it. Otherwise, go away.
bite me
ZUMBA Dancer

Saint Marys, GA

#7 Jun 11, 2013
The SMHA is a threat to trust in St Marys government.
Freedom or Safety

Kingsland, GA

#8 Jun 11, 2013
I think the issue is not the SMHA at ALL...Low information vote I assume?

Unfortunately Mr. Snowden is going to be seen as a criminal but I for one think he is standing up for freedom and civil liberties.

This will spark the conversation about how much civil rights are we willing to give up to be "safe"? I think Ben F's comment/quote is very relative here.

This presidency is now polluted and they must do damage control in order for the First Black President to leave a legacy of legitamacy of protecting civial rights. The irony here is that you do have the first "black" president is willing to violate the civial rights of all Americans and the people like MLK, Medgar Evers, Thuragood Marshall, Rosa Parks, etc stood up against this kinds or tyranny like behavior.

Say what you want, but this is too much intrusion and Obama is doing nothing more than expanding the unconstitutinal policy of the Patriot Act.
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#9 Jun 11, 2013
Freedom or Safety wrote:
I think the issue is not the SMHA at ALL...Low information vote I assume?
Unfortunately Mr. Snowden is going to be seen as a criminal but I for one think he is standing up for freedom and civil liberties.
This will spark the conversation about how much civil rights are we willing to give up to be "safe"? I think Ben F's comment/quote is very relative here.
This presidency is now polluted and they must do damage control in order for the First Black President to leave a legacy of legitamacy of protecting civial rights. The irony here is that you do have the first "black" president is willing to violate the civial rights of all Americans and the people like MLK, Medgar Evers, Thuragood Marshall, Rosa Parks, etc stood up against this kinds or tyranny like behavior.
Say what you want, but this is too much intrusion and Obama is doing nothing more than expanding the unconstitutinal policy of the Patriot Act.
Okay, good. Unlike faux BF, who apparently has none of the guts, intellect, or common sense of his namesake, at least you have taken a position. So ... what constitutional right of yours is being violated by the NSA practice? I have seen nothing suggesting that any content information has been intercepted without a warrant by this practice (e.g., phone conversations or email messages). That may turn out to be the case, and if it is, I will agree with you completely that a constitutional violation has occurred. But what if all that has been obtained is metadata, the same sort of information that has been available to the government for years through traditional mail sendings? Do you still think it is "unconstitutional?"
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#10 Jun 11, 2013
Ben Franklin wrote:
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bite me
I apologize, but I always forget: which Spencer are you? The fat nurse or the other one?
ZUMBA SHAME

Saint Marys, GA

#11 Jun 11, 2013
The SMHA's public paid private ZUMBA dance lessons and NSA's domestic spying are clear and present dangers to the United States of America. These actions are violations of the 4th Amendment, the individuals right to privacy and a serious abuse of power.

When you sell yourself for a free ZUMBA dance lesson you gain nothing but shame. The shame is for using public money lawfully designated to pay for medical expence of the poor for private ZUMBA dance lessons.

Someone should go to jail for this. Shame on you St Marys.
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#12 Jun 11, 2013
ZUMBA SHAME wrote:
The SMHA's public paid private ZUMBA dance lessons and NSA's domestic spying are clear and present dangers to the United States of America. These actions are violations of the 4th Amendment, the individuals right to privacy and a serious abuse of power.
When you sell yourself for a free ZUMBA dance lesson you gain nothing but shame. The shame is for using public money lawfully designated to pay for medical expence of the poor for private ZUMBA dance lessons.
Someone should go to jail for this. Shame on you St Marys.
What in the hell are you talking about? Zumba lessons violate your Fourth Amendment rights?
Ben Franklin

Saint Marys, GA

#13 Jun 11, 2013
Give Me a Break wrote:
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I apologize, but I always forget: which Spencer are you? The fat nurse or the other one?
Why do turds like you always assume anyone who has a point of view that you don't agree with is a Spencer? Look dumb ass, Spencer got more votes that you RINOs could dream about. Get used to it.
Freedom or Safety

Kingsland, GA

#14 Jun 11, 2013
Spencer???
Anyway. Spoken like an offended liberal.

I will entertain your remedial question. The Fourth, which prohibits “unreasonable searches and seizures.”

Obama says that the debate over the NSA’s activities is “healthy for our democracy” and a “sign of maturity.” But I think it’s a sign of forgetfulness—of Constitutional amnesia—on the part of Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder, not to mention the administration’s vaunted intelligence chiefs who want to divert attention from the subject of the leaks, which is their own behavior, onto the leaker. I am hoping Democrats as well as Republicans in Congress remind the administration what the Constitution was designed to do and what the original FISA legislation was meant to do, but judging from the performance of most congressional leaders so far, I am not holding my breath.
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#15 Jun 11, 2013
Ben Franklin wrote:
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Why do turds like you always assume anyone who has a point of view that you don't agree with is a Spencer? Look dumb ass, Spencer got more votes that you RINOs could dream about. Get used to it.
Look, pecker head, you have already demonstrated an inability to do more than look like a retard on here, so why don't you get off Topix and go back to picking your ass while the rest of us have a discussion. You obviously have nothing to offer regarding this subject, except your own idiotic ramblings. Plus, your ardent defense of those Spencer jerkoffs lends credibility to the fact you are one. I ask again: are you the fat nurse or the useless teacher?
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#16 Jun 11, 2013
Freedom or Safety wrote:
Spencer???
Anyway. Spoken like an offended liberal.
I will entertain your remedial question. The Fourth, which prohibits “unreasonable searches and seizures.”
Obama says that the debate over the NSA’s activities is “healthy for our democracy” and a “sign of maturity.” But I think it’s a sign of forgetfulness—of Constitutional amnesia—on the part of Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder, not to mention the administration’s vaunted intelligence chiefs who want to divert attention from the subject of the leaks, which is their own behavior, onto the leaker. I am hoping Democrats as well as Republicans in Congress remind the administration what the Constitution was designed to do and what the original FISA legislation was meant to do, but judging from the performance of most congressional leaders so far, I am not holding my breath.
Nice non-answer to my "remedial" question. How are your Fourth Amendment rights being violated? There has been no physical trespass on your property. You have no reasonable expectation of privacy with respect to non-content information of phone calls or emails. Simply quoting the Fourth Amendment isn't advocacy; it is what people with no logical argument do to appear to be advocating. The remainder of your post is political drivel, completely meaningless to the question at hand.
Anon

Saint Marys, GA

#17 Jun 11, 2013
I "give me a break" were to get his way, which he will not, civil war would issue. Syria's civil war will look like a walk in the park, but the end game will secure the end of such stupid idiots.
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#18 Jun 12, 2013
Anon wrote:
I "give me a break" were to get his way, which he will not, civil war would issue. Syria's civil war will look like a walk in the park, but the end game will secure the end of such stupid idiots.
There is as much a chance of the United States having another civil war as there is of you being voted smartest man in Camden County, which is to say none. Why don't you answer the question instead of simply shooting your mouth off as if you are some big tough guy? Try using that little brain of yours, as opposed to that gigantic mouth. Tell me how your Fourth Amendment rights have been violated? Explain to me how ANY of your constitutional rights are being violated? Right now, I will tell you: they are not. Quit bitching like a standard issue libertarian asshole, and try using common sense for a change.
College Student

Saint Marys, GA

#19 Jun 12, 2013


"Give Me a Break" I admire you and the way you present yourself.
My guess is you are a high ranking federal government official who has lots of inside knowledge. Your questions about the 4th Amendment so far have gone unanswered probably because no one but you knows the answers. I am hoping you will explain how the 4th Amendment even relates to what some have called the NSA Domestic Spy programs. I know you know. So if you can, please share your knowledge with us. Thank you Sir or Mam.
Give Me a Break

Saint Marys, GA

#20 Jun 12, 2013
College Student wrote:
"Give Me a Break" I admire you and the way you present yourself.
My guess is you are a high ranking federal government official who has lots of inside knowledge. Your questions about the 4th Amendment so far have gone unanswered probably because no one but you knows the answers. I am hoping you will explain how the 4th Amendment even relates to what some have called the NSA Domestic Spy programs. I know you know. So if you can, please share your knowledge with us. Thank you Sir or Mam.
Thank you for the kind words. It is Mam. Yes I am a high ranking federal government official and I know the answers to your questions. But I'm sorry I can't answer them because when you are a high ranking federal government official you can neither admit or deny your knowledge. By way of explaination it is on a need to know basis and the general public has no need to know. I hope my answer is helpful and again thank you for the kind words. Good luck in you studies, study hard and one day you may have the opportunity to be a high ranking federal government official like me.

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