Cumberland Harbor Sham?

Cumberland Harbor Sham?

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Downtower

Herndon, PA

#1 May 25, 2010
For the years that I have resided here I have found one single truth. If you have some scam to push off you get a welcome arm by the the St. Marys City Council. There is not a snake oil they will not buy. The bunch there now, with a couple of acceptions jump into any hint of a deal. They are ripe for the picking. Only problem is we are the pickees. Now it is a chance for Cumberland Harbor. The clamor now is for some fellow who is in bankfuptcy to pull that out of the bog. Does it not say to you that if he is in bankruptcy that is a problem? Doesn't it register the fellow is not doing some thing right? That his track record speaks for his ability? If that does not present a great big red flag to you then you should run for the St. Marys City Council. You would fit right in. The damnest bunch of yo yo's that you can find in one room. What an embarrassment they are. God knows that we need plurality. Those minority elected dunces are minority dunces. Those are the worst.
Sir-Real

United States

#2 May 25, 2010
Where did you here Mr. Grafton was in bankruptcy?
The only information I have seen regarding him was in last weeks paper where he (?) has a lot in foreclosure.
Sir-Real

United States

#3 May 25, 2010
Here s/b hear
Trip

Kingsland, GA

#4 May 25, 2010
You must have been at Mondays 6PM meeting. Very scary! Saint Marys is bankrupt as I've said before, open the books...
Response

Saint Simons Island, GA

#5 May 25, 2010
Their Attorney is priceless!!!!!

They will NEVER find another that will handle them with the integrity and grace that he does; all while bascially saying you're full of shi*.
Trip

Kingsland, GA

#6 May 26, 2010
Saint Marys is bankrupt and they should be asking their attorney for advice on how to enter bankruptcy in order to protect the city.
anon

Allenhurst, GA

#7 May 26, 2010
But look what St. Marys has as council. Between all of them there is not enought "smarts" to figure it out.
anon

Allenhurst, GA

#8 May 26, 2010
Marion

Inola, OK

#9 May 26, 2010
I think it is great that something is happening with CH. I hope the city will not incur any debt as a result.
Nothing New

United States

#10 May 26, 2010
The county did the same thing with the new owners of the unfinished project on the north end (Sanctuary Cove ?). Just what St. Marys needs is a bunch of lots. They just need to quit spending money they don't have or can't count on. Consolidation, led by the only healthy municipality (Kingsland) is on the horizon. One day a strong leader who puts the residents interest ahead of special interest will emerge in the county to drive it.
anon

North Anson, ME

#11 May 26, 2010
anon wrote:
It is great that Cumberland Harbor may be completed. It really is great news. The only worry is how much will it truly cost the taxpayers. There is no trust left between city council and the people of St. marys. Let's face it every time they make a deal we pay for it. If this Grafton guy has a foreclosure in CH then what makes anyone think he has money to finish CH? I guess we will have to sit and pray all goes well or we will end of with a bunch of lots in CH.
camden son

North Anson, ME

#12 May 26, 2010
Just because someone has a forecloseure listed does not mean it will foreclose. I say give the guy a chance, Then only thing hes asking for is to spend his on money finshing the project, he has not ask for the the city to forgive the back taxes, as they did at the mill site. In fact if he closes on the project he will pay 1.4 million in back taxes to the city which they will waste as usual moving our airport or tearing up sidewalks.
anon

North Anson, ME

#13 May 26, 2010
Look for the costs of this to eventually end up on your water bill or elsewhere. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." (Albert Einstein)

Since: Mar 10

United States

#14 May 26, 2010
camden son wrote:
Just because someone has a forecloseure listed does not mean it will foreclose. I say give the guy a chance, Then only thing hes asking for is to spend his on money finshing the project, he has not ask for the the city to forgive the back taxes, as they did at the mill site. In fact if he closes on the project he will pay 1.4 million in back taxes to the city which they will waste as usual moving our airport or tearing up sidewalks.
You are correct with your statement regarding all foreclosure listings not being foreclosed on. In general, a foreclosure listing usually indicates the individual is having financial problems. In addition, if the individual is not in financial distress and voluntarily discontinues paying the mortgage because the property is no longer worth what they paid for it, then they are pawning off their poor investment decision on the financial institution and as a result of the bank bail-outs, the taxpayer. Is this the kind of developer we want in Camden County? If he pawned off his bad investment through foreclosure, who do you think he will pawn off a loss on the development to? How about the City of St. Marys possibly? We don't know as this was discussed behind closed doors!
Jay Moreno

Dornsife, PA

#15 May 26, 2010
anon wrote:
But look what St. Marys has as council. Between all of them there is not enought "smarts" to figure it out.
Not true. In between the bookends, we have the far and away best educated, most qualified, and most effective city council in the history of the city.
anon

Allenhurst, GA

#16 May 26, 2010
Jay Moreno wrote:
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Not true. In between the bookends, we have the far and away best educated, most qualified, and most effective city council in the history of the city.
Who are you trying to fool.!!!!! Bird and Howell are the only ones that make any sense and are for the taxpayers.
Billy

United States

#17 May 26, 2010
Jay Moreno wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true. In between the bookends, we have the far and away best educated, most qualified, and most effective city council in the history of the city.
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Damn Moreno you really are an idiot. You have become a local comedy sensation. Someone had there lap top in Steffens this morning. The whole restaurant was in stitches listening to him read the crazy stuff you write. You want get 75 votes. By the way wait till you see the flyers with all your famous quotes. They will be on the street soon. There is an interview with the verbally attacked.
Alvin

Herndon, PA

#18 May 26, 2010
Jay Moreno wrote:
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Not true. In between the bookends, we have the far and away best educated, most qualified, and most effective city council in the history of the city.
Once again Jay has proven he is not in touch with this community. That bunch of so called educated councilmen are the most inept out of touch councilmen we have yet to have setting there. I have resided here 40 plus years and I can tell you the voters and citizens of St. Marys realize what a mess this election has caused. No damn common sense. Jay equates education with ability and that is where they are failing. Fools can be educated and four members of the council and the mayor prove that. They don't hear us or represent us. They are too damn busy trying to take care of those that are no for the best interest of our community. They are rude, obnoxious, and unreasonbable in their treatement of citizens and have no intent of being other wise. Jay is out of touch and has no idea what is going on around him. Trying to put a stamp of approval on that bunch of jerks will not get Jay any votes. All we need is a common sense approach. Every day walking around sense. They lack that and so doesn't their cheer leader Jay. They remind me of an out of step squad stumbling all over each other.
Hometowner

Inola, OK

#19 May 26, 2010
Billy wrote:
<quoted text>.
Damn Moreno you really are an idiot. You have become a local comedy sensation. Someone had there lap top in Steffens this morning. The whole restaurant was in stitches listening to him read the crazy stuff you write. You want get 75 votes. By the way wait till you see the flyers with all your famous quotes. They will be on the street soon. There is an interview with the verbally attacked.
Yea I was there
Alvin

Herndon, PA

#20 May 26, 2010
anon wrote:
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Who are you trying to fool.!!!!! Bird and Howell are the only ones that make any sense and are for the taxpayers.
Jay is snorting pixy dust and sucking up to Hase. Touting her cohorts is how the fool thinks he will remain in her graces. She is an embarrassment any woman who has held public office. She is so full of own crap that she can't think straignt. She and that bunch are puppets for Charlie Smith and his bunch.

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