Sad Boy Scouts gay policy change

Sad Boy Scouts gay policy change

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Camden Family Voter

Kingsland, GA

#1 May 24, 2013
Sadly and mistakenly the Boy Scouts of America went only halfway in ending their discrimination against the gay citizens of our country.

Their policy change as of January 1, 2014 reads,no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone. While that is much better than nothing, it does not end the discriminatory practice. Sadly and wrongly, lifting the ban on gay staff members, volunteers and leaders remain in place.

So while your gay son may grow up in and love Scouting, as soon as he hits 18 years old, he's kicked out. What kind of signal does that send to America's youth? A very bad one that says discrimination is okay. Well, that's wrong and sooner rather than later I'm confident it will change.
AUC

Kingsland, GA

#2 May 24, 2013
Camden Family Voter wrote:
Sadly and mistakenly the Boy Scouts of America went only halfway in ending their discrimination against the gay citizens of our country.
Sorry, Camden Family Voter, you got it wrong. It is not discrimination. The Boy Scouts are members of a PRIVATE organization which can choose who is able to be a member.
Done with the BSA

Savannah, GA

#3 May 24, 2013
AUC wrote:
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Sorry, Camden Family Voter, you got it wrong. It is not discrimination. The Boy Scouts are members of a PRIVATE organization which can choose who is able to be a member.
Yep, and the BSA is going to lose a significant amount of both members and sponsors as a result of this vote.

Scouting has changed, forever. Many scout troops are sponsored by churches. That will change. With a number of churches no longer sponsoring scout troops, there goes a significant portion of their support.

Sadly, just the latest example of a minority of the population enforcing their will on the majority of the population.

We always donated to a local BSA troop to support their annual and semi-annual outings and Jamborees. That stopped yesterday.
really

Blue Ridge, GA

#4 May 24, 2013
well if one kept their "sexual preference" to themselves nobody would know and it would not be an issue

The only good thing about this is their will be no preganicies after a jamboree

This is a sad day....
Anon

Kingsland, GA

#5 May 24, 2013
Done with the BSA wrote:
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Yep, and the BSA is going to lose a significant amount of both members and sponsors as a result of this vote.
Scouting has changed, forever. Many scout troops are sponsored by churches. That will change. With a number of churches no longer sponsoring scout troops, there goes a significant portion of their support.
Sadly, just the latest example of a minority of the population enforcing their will on the majority of the population.
We always donated to a local BSA troop to support their annual and semi-annual outings and Jamborees. That stopped yesterday.
You want to tell us how the "minority of the population enforcing their will on the majority" did it? I mean, what leverage did they have on the BSA leadership and use? I thought the decision was the BSA's only. So how did the minority force the BSA to change?
Camden Family Voter

Kingsland, GA

#6 May 25, 2013
AUC wrote:
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Sorry, Camden Family Voter, you got it wrong. It is not discrimination. The Boy Scouts are members of a PRIVATE organization which can choose who is able to be a member.
Sorry AUC, it's you who've got it wrong.

When an organization, public or private, exclude certain classes of people (i.e., white, black, male, female, straight, gay, handicapped, etc.) it is discrimination plain and simple.

While I don't dispute BSA's "private" status and their ability to legally discriminate, which they openly do, I question why any real American would support or want to be part of such an organization.

Discrimination, or bigotry if you prefer, is wrong and un-American. We're a better country than that and you know it, or you should know it.

Thanks.
Just Asking

Savannah, GA

#7 May 25, 2013
Camden Family Voter wrote:
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When an organization, public or private, exclude certain classes of people (i.e., white, black, male, female, straight, gay, handicapped, etc.) it is discrimination plain and simple.
So, using this logic, it should be perfectly acceptable for teenage boys to join the Girl Scouts. To refuse them membership, based on gender, would be discrimination, right?

I'm amused by those who would have us embrace their own lack of moral values, at the point of a politicians' pen, by labeling any choice we make which runs contrary to their extreme liberal views as "discrimination".

No, on second thought, I'm not amused.
Wannabe Gay Scout Leaders

Saint Marys, GA

#8 May 25, 2013
We demand equal access to those cute little boys. It's our right.
Jill

Kingsland, GA

#9 May 25, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
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So, using this logic, it should be perfectly acceptable for teenage boys to join the Girl Scouts. To refuse them membership, based on gender, would be discrimination, right?
I'm amused by those who would have us embrace their own lack of moral values, at the point of a politicians' pen, by labeling any choice we make which runs contrary to their extreme liberal views as "discrimination".
No, on second thought, I'm not amused.
With a background in Girl Scouts, let me post an answer. If there was no Boy Scouts, I'm confident boys would be welcome into the Girl Scouts of the United States of America (GSUSA).

The GSUSA has never had an exclusion or discrimination policy in it's history. Girls of all - and I mean all - varieties are encouraged to join and welcomed. And if you check GSUSA year over year membership numbers, you'll see it's been growing steadily over the years. Whereas if you check the BSA membership, due to their discriminatory policies, it has been in steady decline.

Like the other poster say, America is a much better country when we don't support open discrimination. I hope you're not implying you think any form of discrimination is okay, because that's wrong, it's not. Think it through and I'm sure you'll agree.
Just Asking

Savannah, GA

#10 May 25, 2013
Jill wrote:
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With a background in Girl Scouts, let me post an answer. If there was no Boy Scouts, I'm confident boys would be welcome into the Girl Scouts of the United States of America (GSUSA).
The GSUSA has never had an exclusion or discrimination policy in it's history. Girls of all - and I mean all - varieties are encouraged to join and welcomed. And if you check GSUSA year over year membership numbers, you'll see it's been growing steadily over the years. Whereas if you check the BSA membership, due to their discriminatory policies, it has been in steady decline.
Like the other poster say, America is a much better country when we don't support open discrimination. I hope you're not implying you think any form of discrimination is okay, because that's wrong, it's not. Think it through and I'm sure you'll agree.
It shouldn't matter if "there was no Boy Scouts"...if a teenage boy wants to be a Girl Scout (and trust me, one of these days, if not already, one will)...then according to you, the GSUSA would welome him, right?

Good. And I'm sure none of the GSUSA moms will have any issue with allowing their daughters to spend a weekend, or a week, in camp with their new Girl Scout.

And I have a feeling that the BSA's "declining membership" is about to take a nosedive. We'll see. It will be interesting to see how many protestant churches that currently sponsor BSA troops will change their mind.

We've already seen, thanks to the Church of Rome, what can happen to innocent boys who have no insulation from predators who hide behind a title, or a collar. Now that the BSA has voted to allow openly homosexual scouts, the assault on their 18+ exclusion of homosexuals will begin. And, eventually, the BSA will cave in.

When that happens, you will have openly homosexual Scout leaders, and the BSA effectively becomes a hunting ground for predators.

Just curious...how many Girl Scout troops only have a male Scoutmaster / troop leader? I'm sure there are some; I'd just like to know how many, out of the total number of GSUSA troops.
Harold

Atlanta, GA

#11 May 25, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
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It shouldn't matter if "there was no Boy Scouts"...if a teenage boy wants to be a Girl Scout (and trust me, one of these days, if not already, one will)...then according to you, the GSUSA would welome him, right?
Good. And I'm sure none of the GSUSA moms will have any issue with allowing their daughters to spend a weekend, or a week, in camp with their new Girl Scout.
And I have a feeling that the BSA's "declining membership" is about to take a nosedive. We'll see. It will be interesting to see how many protestant churches that currently sponsor BSA troops will change their mind.
We've already seen, thanks to the Church of Rome, what can happen to innocent boys who have no insulation from predators who hide behind a title, or a collar. Now that the BSA has voted to allow openly homosexual scouts, the assault on their 18+ exclusion of homosexuals will begin. And, eventually, the BSA will cave in.
When that happens, you will have openly homosexual Scout leaders, and the BSA effectively becomes a hunting ground for predators.
Just curious...how many Girl Scout troops only have a male Scoutmaster / troop leader? I'm sure there are some; I'd just like to know how many, out of the total number of GSUSA troops.
Openly homosexual leaders are no different then closeted leaders. And, believe me, they are closeted people in every organization, business, political office and Boy Scouts. Being homosexual does not make a one a perverted predator. Homosexual people are the sane as straight people. There are good and bad, poor and rich, black and white( and every other ethnicity). We are your sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, your preacher, neighbor, best friend and we are exactly the same as you. Discrimination in any form is wrong no matter how yoy look at it.

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St. Marys, GA

#12 May 25, 2013
we are exactly the same as you.

No, you are not.

Do you enjoy equal protection under the law? Yes.

Are you entitled to special treatment because of your sexuality? No.
Just Asking

Savannah, GA

#13 May 25, 2013
Harold wrote:
<quoted text>Openly homosexual leaders are no different then closeted leaders. And, believe me, they are closeted people in every organization, business, political office and Boy Scouts. Being homosexual does not make a one a perverted predator. Homosexual people are the sane as straight people. There are good and bad, poor and rich, black and white( and every other ethnicity). We are your sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, your preacher, neighbor, best friend and we are exactly the same as you. Discrimination in any form is wrong no matter how yoy look at it.
Allow me to step back to something Jill said, and then we'll go from there...

"The GSUSA has never had an exclusion or discrimination policy in it's history. Girls of all - and I mean all - varieties are encouraged to join and welcomed."

Her words.

You'll notice the word "girls" in there.

Is this not gender discrimination?

They have age limits.

Is this not age discrimination?

Using that logic, if a 45 year-old heterosexual male cannot join the Girl Scouts because of his gender and/or age, does this not meet the definition of discrimination?

Homosexuality is not a gender. It is not a religion. It is not a race. Nor is it a religion. It is a human condition. Some say it's genetic; some say "choice"; and some say the result of other factors.

I have no real issue with the fact that you, if you are, or anyone else, is a homosexual. In that regard, I am fairly tolerant and accepting.

But for the same reasons that I would never allow my daughter to belong to a Girl Scout troop with male "Girl Scouts"...I would never condone the presence of openly homosexual males, be they members or leaders, or a Boy Scout troop.

If you are as open-minded as you claim to be, then I'm sure you can understand my concerns.
Harold

Atlanta, GA

#14 May 25, 2013
Moreno Jay wrote:
we are exactly the same as you.
No, you are not.
Do you enjoy equal protection under the law? Yes.
Are you entitled to special treatment because of your sexuality? No.
Well, you are correct. I'm not the same as, nor would I want to be the same as you. What is the special treatment because of my sexuality? What about your " special treatment " because of your disability? What about your " special treatment " because of your inability to work? I don't want or expect to be treated differently than anyone else. You, however, can't say the same so keep your ignorance to yourself.
Harold

Atlanta, GA

#15 May 25, 2013
Just Asking wrote:
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Allow me to step back to something Jill said, and then we'll go from there...
"The GSUSA has never had an exclusion or discrimination policy in it's history. Girls of all - and I mean all - varieties are encouraged to join and welcomed."
Her words.
You'll notice the word "girls" in there.
Is this not gender discrimination?
They have age limits.
Is this not age discrimination?
Using that logic, if a 45 year-old heterosexual male cannot join the Girl Scouts because of his gender and/or age, does this not meet the definition of discrimination?
Homosexuality is not a gender. It is not a religion. It is not a race. Nor is it a religion. It is a human condition. Some say it's genetic; some say "choice"; and some say the result of other factors.
I have no real issue with the fact that you, if you are, or anyone else, is a homosexual. In that regard, I am fairly tolerant and accepting.
But for the same reasons that I would never allow my daughter to belong to a Girl Scout troop with male "Girl Scouts"...I would never condone the presence of openly homosexual males, be they members or leaders, or a Boy Scout troop.
If you are as open-minded as you claim to be, then I'm sure you can understand my concerns.
You seem intelligent, unlike many people on this site. With that said, what are your concerns with a homosexual child being in the Boy Scouts? And, why is a homosexual scout leader different than a heterosexual scout leader?
Stanley

Kingsland, GA

#16 May 26, 2013
Done with the BSA wrote:
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We always donated to a local BSA troop to support their annual and semi-annual outings and Jamborees. That stopped yesterday.
We're with you "Done with the BSA" on this issue, no more financial support for the moment and we're considering stopping use of our farm and land as well. We agree that the BSA should have opened the leadership and volunteer positions for gay members as too. With something like 70 percent of the internal BSA polling showing support for lifting the ban entirely, what were they thinking only going half-way? Now the second half of the issue, lifting the ban entirely, will linger and fester while membership and activities continue to decline. We called and wrote the Okefenokee Area Council on Friday expressing our disappointment in this half-way decision and let them know our stance. Since we really like Scouting, we're remaining hopeful that next year it will be debated and voted on at the national council too. We're keeping the faith!
Stanley

Kingsland, GA

#17 May 26, 2013
Here is an interesting perspective from a Republican Eagle Scout about the recent change. If you have a moment, it's worth a read. So are the comments. Thanks.

http://www.peachpundit.com/2013/05/24/one-eag...
Parent of Small Boy

Saint Marys, GA

#18 May 26, 2013
One day I hope my young son grows up and gives my wife and me grandchildren. He cannot do that if he is focused on anal and oral sex with members of the same sex. I think that is dirty and unnatural.
I hope my son grows up to enjoy a natural sexual relationship with a female.

For that reason I will never approve of him joining the BSOA. I do not want my young son to get AIDS or to learn who to be gay. As far as we are concerned BSOA has become just another organization distroyed by queers.
Camden Family Voter

Kingsland, GA

#19 May 26, 2013
I hate to break it to you sport, but you'll have zero to do with your son or daughter sexuality. They'll know, usually around 7th grade which way they feel. What matters now and then is how you support and love your children unconditionally. Emphasis is on the word unconditionally - whatever they decide, you support. That's what good parents do. Good luck with parenthood, it's never easy.
Done with the BSA

Savannah, GA

#20 May 26, 2013
I guess what it boils down to is that I find the idea of two males having sex with one another (or females, for that matter), to be a uniquely disgusting and unnatural act. That's just me, I suppose, and my antiquated system of personal morals.

Thus, I will not knowingly support any organization which admits or supports open homosexuality. In doing so, the organization is saying "We're okay with this."

I'm not okay with it. Not at all.

If you are comfortable with the idea of supporting an organization that freely admits boys and men who think that consensual sex between two males is a normal thing, then by all means, continue to support it. That's your choice.

To each their own.

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