Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#18765 Jul 19, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>How do you feel about the Amnesty Bill that's in the House? How do you feel about Obama supporting the destruction of the south, by supporting this bill and overreaching into State affairs? Like blocking one parts of our state laws, on the grounds that they violate federal laws. While turning a blind eye to other states that are legalizing narcotics?
Amnesty Bill - defeat it. It exists because Right Wingers, including Obama want to continue to destroy unions and depress wages - for even higher profit for the few;

Please- be an American - every Red State is enacting every law possible to destroy democracy in their states.

Right Wing Wacko states, like Florida, cut their voting days way back - to keep working people from voting; and enact voter ID laws,(even though all agree voter fraud is a pretend issue), just to intimidate poor voters.

By God, if the right to vote isn't a Constitutional Right, then nothing is a Constitutional Right. If you let the Red States stop people from voting - don't come bitching when the Blue States stop people from owning firearms.

As to state's rights to legalize marijuana - blame the Right Wing Republican Dominated Activist Supreme Court - not Obama - they took that away - as their corporate masters demanded.


But that's a hot button for me.

Criminalizing marijuana is the stupidest, most self-defeating, idiotic policy that politicians so for their corporate masters.

I'm a classic conservative.

Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows we should immediately legalize marijuana.

I spent some 8 years of my 22 in law enforcement working drugs. I have been to hundreds of alcohol fueled fight, and many murders, but in 22 years have never a marijuana fueled act of violence.

We have spent trillions of dollars and made criminals billions in profits in order to stop people from smoking a bush they can grow in their back yard, in order to force them to pay thousands to doctors and for prescriptions, or buy corporately profitable beer and liquor.

When my family members had cancer, I made sure they had all the pot they could use, and every day I wondered if they'd get arrested and incarcerated - because they didn't want to die in pain - how stupid is that to have to worry about.

But hey -- the Makers Mark, Anheiser-Busch, and Jim Beam people pay the politicians, and law enforcement justifies billions in budgets - so it won't change.

Finally, Obama is a Right Winger.

Right Wingers constantly writing posts about how we Moderates and Progressives should be disappointed in Obama, because he has all these Right Wing policies, then claim Obama is a liberal- defies rational thought.

The only "liberal" in politics today that I can think of is Senator Franken - and he's a self-made millionaire capitalist too.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#18766 Jul 19, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
You need to travel around the country more. You would be surprised at how many illegal aliens there are scattered all over the U.S. I entered a post awhile back that asked. Have you ever seen these illegal aliens thumbing a ride with his wife and 5 kids holding their suitcases? Just who is paying to bus these people all over the U.S.? I have seen convoys of 4 to 5 buses with Texas plates on various freeways full of illegal aliens. Watch for them. They are multi-colored buses that stand out like a sore thumb. I think they have yellow, red, white and orange stripes on them. These people are all over the U.S. and this is going to affect the whole country. The reason they are being spread out as they are is to fool the American people that there are only 11 million of them. You are going to find out that there are probably 30 million or more of them in this country after they get amnesty, jobs, and benefits.
The U.S. Government openly admits that the illegals are taking 8 million American jobs as of now.
Simply remarkable,
you can discern sooo much
just by looking at them.

Were any of them wearing hoodies?
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#18767 Jul 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Who could've imagined that people vote for a variety of reasons, some are racially motivated, some are religiously motivated, some are economically motivated, and I'd venture a guess that in most cases it's a combination of all three. In fact, going out on a limb here, I'd say that people vote for those who they feel best represent their interests and views.
If only they knew who represented their best interests.

Back in the day, I remember standing in the projects after arresting some guy for beating his kids with a 2"x4", and listening to all the locals shouting how I was just like those rich folks down the road in the 10 million dollar mansions.(Actually they were 30 million dollar mansions).

No matter how, over the years, I tried to convince them that I was a working stiff too, and that I there to keep them safe, they always thought I had more in common with the billionaire down the road, than I had in common with them.

Americans today are like that it seems more than ever.

No matter how many rich, white, spoiled, politically connected, politicians insult the average white male, calling them useless 47% parasites, calling to do away with Social Security, Medicare, and Educational Assistance, destroying unions and limiting lawsuits that protect them, and otherwise urinate on them, average white males keep voting for these goofballs.

Someday the working class guy in Blairsville might understand he has more in common with the black 7-11 worker in Atlanta than he does the rich, white, corrupt senator he votes for, but I doubt it.

Powerless people like to identify with powerful people - even if it's completely imaginary and self-defeating.

As Karl Rove said: "As long as we have abortion, guns, and gays to fight about - the South is ours."
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#18768 Jul 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
The law I believe we are both referring to is the one that just passed. It does not require a woman to check into a hospital. In order to safeguard the women who go to those clinics, it simply requires that those clinics meet the same health standards as free standing surgical clinics. Considering the invasive nature of and the risks involved in an abortion, that requirement is only logical. The law also requires a doctor at those clinics have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the clinic. Again, that is for the protection of the patient should anything go wrong, again logical.
The "closing down" of most of the clinics is a fallacious argument that is used virtually every time a state attempts to impose any new regulations on abortion clinics.
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts...
What is a TRAP bill?
TRAP stands for Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers. TRAP bills single out abortion providers for medically unnecessary, politically motivated state regulations. They can be divided into three general categories:

a measure that singles out abortion providers for medically unnecessary regulations, standards, personnel qualifications, building and/or structural requirements;

a politically motivated provision that needlessly addresses the licensing of abortion clinics and/or charges an exorbitant fee to register a clinic in the state; or

a measure that unnecessarily regulates where abortions may be provided or designates abortion clinics as ambulatory surgical centers, outpatient care centers, or hospitals without medical justification.

Abortion is very safe.

Abortion is one of the safest and most commonly provided medical procedures in the United States. Fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication requiring hospitalization.1 In the U.S., more than 90% of all abortions are provided in outpatient facilities such as doctors' offices and clinics. Credit for the outstanding safety record of abortion care is attributed to the specialized quality care given and received in these facilities. Since the legalization of abortion in 1973, the provision of abortion services in the U.S. has become a public health model for the rest of the world. There is no evidence that abortions would be safer in another setting, or that abortions are performed inadequately in outpatient facilities.

Abortion is already regulated.

All health care facilities, including abortion providers, are required to comply with a variety of federal and state regulations. These include the federal Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments (CLIA), Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) requirements, as well as state and local regulations including building and fire codes. All medical professionals, including physicians and clinicians who work in abortion care, are required to maintain professional standards and licenses and complete continuing medical education courses.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#18769 Jul 19, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
you know that if say, a man and woman came here illegally 15 yrs. ago and had 4 children that the children are U.S. citizens? If we send the parents back, what should we do with the children? I am just asking?
I know, I know,
we simply re-interpret the Constitution
and send them ALL packing,
unless their white.

“Marble Man”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#18770 Jul 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the point of asking someone if they think other people are racist?
Does it help justify your own perceptions, give cover for being part of a group?
Like i said, I did not bring up this race crap, y'all did. Like it or not, race plays into many things including political and judicial matters, especially ones based on public pressure. Statistice are kept on almost every imaginable subject, based on race. I wish that were not the case, but that would not serve certain special interest groups.

The true racist is the one that cries racism the most.

To answer your other question; no.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#18771 Jul 19, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
If only they knew who represented their best interests.
Back in the day, I remember standing in the projects after arresting some guy for beating his kids with a 2"x4", and listening to all the locals shouting how I was just like those rich folks down the road in the 10 million dollar mansions.(Actually they were 30 million dollar mansions).
No matter how, over the years, I tried to convince them that I was a working stiff too, and that I there to keep them safe, they always thought I had more in common with the billionaire down the road, than I had in common with them.
Americans today are like that it seems more than ever.
No matter how many rich, white, spoiled, politically connected, politicians insult the average white male, calling them useless 47% parasites, calling to do away with Social Security, Medicare, and Educational Assistance, destroying unions and limiting lawsuits that protect them, and otherwise urinate on them, average white males keep voting for these goofballs.
Someday the working class guy in Blairsville might understand he has more in common with the black 7-11 worker in Atlanta than he does the rich, white, corrupt senator he votes for, but I doubt it.
Powerless people like to identify with powerful people - even if it's completely imaginary and self-defeating.

As Karl Rove said: "As long as we have abortion, guns, and gays to fight about - the South is ours."
Yes, I carefully avoided using the term "best interests".

But Obama is the divisive ol' meany who said:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#18772 Jul 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Who could've imagined that people vote for a variety of reasons, some are racially motivated, some are religiously motivated, some are economically motivated, and I'd venture a guess that in most cases it's a combination of all three. In fact, going out on a limb here, I'd say that people vote for those who they feel best represent their interests and views.
You're the who brought up the Myth of the Southern Strategy, I merely showed how others have debunked it. But it served the purpose of making you backtrack into common sense, so I'd call that a positive.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#18773 Jul 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts...
What is a TRAP bill?
TRAP stands for Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers. TRAP bills single out abortion providers for medically unnecessary, politically motivated state regulations. They can be divided into three general categories:
a measure that singles out abortion providers for medically unnecessary regulations, standards, personnel qualifications, building and/or structural requirements;
a politically motivated provision that needlessly addresses the licensing of abortion clinics and/or charges an exorbitant fee to register a clinic in the state; or
a measure that unnecessarily regulates where abortions may be provided or designates abortion clinics as ambulatory surgical centers, outpatient care centers, or hospitals without medical justification.
Abortion is very safe.
Abortion is one of the safest and most commonly provided medical procedures in the United States. Fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication requiring hospitalization.1 In the U.S., more than 90% of all abortions are provided in outpatient facilities such as doctors' offices and clinics. Credit for the outstanding safety record of abortion care is attributed to the specialized quality care given and received in these facilities. Since the legalization of abortion in 1973, the provision of abortion services in the U.S. has become a public health model for the rest of the world. There is no evidence that abortions would be safer in another setting, or that abortions are performed inadequately in outpatient facilities.
Abortion is already regulated.
All health care facilities, including abortion providers, are required to comply with a variety of federal and state regulations. These include the federal Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments (CLIA), Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) requirements, as well as state and local regulations including building and fire codes. All medical professionals, including physicians and clinicians who work in abortion care, are required to maintain professional standards and licenses and complete continuing medical education courses.
I will be happy to get into this further if needed tonight, but no time now. But I'll leave you with this, you stated:
"All health care facilities, including abortion providers, are required to comply with a variety of federal and state regulations."

One name: Kermit Gosnell

"The Back Alley: How the politics of abortion protects bad clinics"
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...
Why

Clarkesville, GA

#18774 Jul 19, 2013
The fallacy of polls.

Washington Post/ABC Poll. May 2013.

"Comprehensive immigration reform moves to the Senate floor next week with solid overall support from the public."


"The Washington Post is confounded by its own poll. Only 18 percent of Americans support the Gang of Eight's legalization-first approach to illegal immigration, according to the same Washington Post/ABC News poll."

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/b...
Why

Clarkesville, GA

#18775 Jul 19, 2013
Tweak, tweak, tweak.

Try to fix a bad commode with the wrong tools, and the commode will still be full of crap.

"Collins, of Maine, and Indiana's Donnelly wrote that they introduced the "Forty Hours is Full Time Act of 2013" to resolve this problem with the healthcare law. The senators' bill, introduced Wednesday, defines a full-time employee as working an average of 40 hours a week or 174 hours a month for full-time equivalents."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/collins-donn...
Why

Clarkesville, GA

#18776 Jul 19, 2013
"Obamacare Could Push 1 Million Americans From 'Work to Welfare'."


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-we...

Why

Clarkesville, GA

#18777 Jul 19, 2013
After getting his azz kicked in the court system,

Wimpy "Obama to Submit New Labor Board Nominees to Senate."

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/obama-labor-b...
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#18778 Jul 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
You're the who brought up the Myth of the Southern Strategy, I merely showed how others have debunked it. But it served the purpose of making you backtrack into common sense, so I'd call that a positive.
Nope, not bracktracking at all.

Here's the post you were responding to,
and the contention I was responding to in that post.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
General Robert E Lee wrote:
...One more thing, it wasn't until Reagan, that the south turned from devout democrat, to republican.
..........
As you can plainly see I was responding to a mischaracterization by another contributor by providing a reference to what the Sountern Strategy was, and a reference the event attributed to Reagan's use of it.

In that post I never argued that racial motivation was the SOLE reason for the rise of Republican support in the south, but it is certianly ONE of the reasons. Other reasons being those that I mentioned. The south was changing, the country was changing, and the party that offered a perception of stability would have been attractive for a number of reasons to a number of economic brackets.

“Marble Man”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#18779 Jul 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, not bracktracking at all.
Here's the post you were responding to,
and the contention I was responding to in that post.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
General Robert E Lee wrote:
...One more thing, it wasn't until Reagan, that the south turned from devout democrat, to republican.
..........
As you can plainly see I was responding to a mischaracterization by another contributor by providing a reference to what the Sountern Strategy was, and a reference the event attributed to Reagan's use of it.
In that post I never argued that racial motivation was the SOLE reason for the rise of Republican support in the south, but it is certianly ONE of the reasons. Other reasons being those that I mentioned. The south was changing, the country was changing, and the party that offered a perception of stability would have been attractive for a number of reasons to a number of economic brackets.
I believe I said the same regarding Reagan.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#18780 Jul 19, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
I will be happy to get into this further if needed tonight, but no time now. But I'll leave you with this, you stated:
"All health care facilities, including abortion providers, are required to comply with a variety of federal and state regulations."
One name: Kermit Gosnell
"The Back Alley: How the politics of abortion protects bad clinics"
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...
Thank you for proving the very point that current regulations are effective. If this were not the case you would be providing enough examples to change this:

Abortion is one of the safest and most commonly provided medical procedures in the United States. Fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication requiring hospitalization.

But hey, knock yourself out.
Why

Clarkesville, GA

#18781 Jul 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for proving the very point that current regulations are effective. If this were not the case you would be providing enough examples to change this:
Abortion is one of the safest and most commonly provided medical procedures in the United States. Fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication requiring hospitalization.
But hey, knock yourself out.

Yep, killing babies is easy, they don't put up a fight.

using a 45 automatic is cheaper.


Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#18782 Jul 19, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>what do you mean you agree completely- I think that I recall you saying that you were pro- choice. flip- flop?
I agree with Agg's political stance on being conservative first and Republican second and voting for the lesser of two evils. I am not pro-abortion, but I am pro-choice.( I know that's not being conservative.) If a woman wants that on her conscience, that's on her. I am against partial birth abortion. I used to be against abortion, but I realized there will always be idiots using idiotic ways to abort themselves so I reconsidered. I see how some children are neglected because perhaps they weren't wanted and that's disturbing. Honestly, I'm torn about that issue. I reserve the right to revert back to my original way of thinking at any given time. I DO think the abortion issue is one of the reasons Republicans are losing elections.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#18783 Jul 19, 2013
40 years later we're still having the same conversations.

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Amazing.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#18784 Jul 19, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>you know that if say, a man and woman came here illegally 15 yrs. ago and had 4 children that the children are U.S. citizens? If we send the parents back, what should we do with the children? I am just asking?
Send the children back with the parents. I haven't gone back and caught up, so this may have already been discussed, but I don't think the children born in the U.S. of illegal parents should automatically be citizens. That is ridiculous, imo.

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