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This is what the people voted in. The people have spoken. They desire to be taken care of by the government, so the gov't will take care of them. Then we as Americans, whose grandfathers, fathers,and now ourselves paid taxes and helped to build this country, will see history repeating itself. The day will come, if history is an indicator, that the workers will stop paying taxes and revolt. Then we will be forced into wok camps and serve the gov't interests. Check out China's human and social programs, or Iran, or maybe North Korea. Laugh now, but get ready. IMHO

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Mar 26, 2013
 
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What are you talking about? Almost every doctor I go to is from another country. Some are very difficult to understand. Their charges for patient care are the same as anyone else. Under Obamacare even these doctors will make only what the government says what they can charge. All doctors will make the same basic rates. Patients will not be able to choose their doctors. That is the Progressive way.
I wonder what country the foreign doctors will move to next to get paid a decent salary?
I might as well move back to Mexico where I can get the same or better medical care.
You are absolutely correct. This is exactly what I was thinking while reading IO's ridiculous post.

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#5238
Mar 26, 2013
 
Glorya wrote:
And didn't even mention what it costs to operate just 1 office. Not 2 or 3 satellite offices. People have no clue, no clue.
Now cosmetic dentistry or cosmetic surgeons may make some money... payment due upon services rendered. But, they work hard and overhead is high. So there are a few wealthy doctors. All speciality, you can bet on it.
With the economy the way it is, I doubt the cosmetic docs are doing as well as back in the day. As you know, insurance doesn't cover cosmetic procedures. IO is completely in outer space.
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Mar 26, 2013
 
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I have a friend whose daughter went in labor. By the time she got to the hospital, she was very close to delivery. However, they turned her away because she had no insurance and no Medicaid. even though her mother told them she would sign the papers and be responsible for the bill, they still turned her away. That I am medially rushed to another hospital where the baby was born in the hallway. this actually happened in Florida.
I have no explanation as to how this can happen.but from what I understand,some of the smaller hospitals no longer provide child delivery services,except in emergency situations(as to who makes that call and how it is made,i have no clue).I don't think that I have ever heard of this happening before.read post #5188-it may help.the poster has worked in the healthcare business and may be able to explain.
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I totally agree, unless they invested well, lived below their means- they aren't raking in millions...office overhead is higher than high, you wouldn't believe what one exam table with a specialty light bulb costs...if sued, you want to prove in court, you never fudged on having the very best equipment available, the best instruments, best lab/x-ray equipment. In a courtroom, second best is well, second best or termed under-rated. When doctors lose malpractice suits, guess what? Their malpractice insurance fees double, too!

IO doesn't live in our orbit. You are right.
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Mar 26, 2013
 
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>I have no explanation as to how this can happen.but from what I understand,some of the smaller hospitals no longer provide child delivery services,except in emergency situations(as to who makes that call and how it is made,i have no clue).I don't think that I have ever heard of this happening before.read post #5188-it may help.the poster has worked in the healthcare business and may be able to explain.
I wish there was an explanation. and believe it or not, it was an extremely large hospital.
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Informed Opinion wrote:
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There is no real "shortage" of doctors in America, only an artificial "shortage" is the result of the AMA bribing politicians:
- to keep hundred of thousands of doctors from coming to America where they would cause doctors' charges and their incomes to plummet;
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- to keep hundreds of routine drugs "controlled" to require people to pay doctors to get routine prescriptions renewed;
Allow foreign English speaking doctors into America and watch the cost of medical care drop.
Make it legal to renew all prescriptions without a doctor visit, and take the hundreds of "prescription" drugs off prescription status - and watch medical costs drop.
But, hey we have the highest paid doctors in the world - thanks to the anti-competitive, anti-capitalist AMA.
Boring and uninformed.
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Glorya wrote:
Believe what you want, IO. This is my specialty. I know what I'm talking about. You live in Oz, I live in the real world. I work & live amongst thousands of doctors, I've spoken hours and hours with some of the brightest in America. You ask them..."would you want your son or daughter to become a doctor"...8/10 will say, "NO".. I'd rather he/she become a veterinarian or an orthodontist. No beeper, no $30,000/yr malpractice insurance fees and get to enjoy holidays with the family.
Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:

Average income for doctors

Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000

Now this is income, after all expenses.

And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.

Not too shabby.

And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.

So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.

Now let's look at Canada.

In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.

Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.

There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.

Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.

Let'a bring some of those doctors here.

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#5244
Mar 26, 2013
 
Glorya wrote:
I totally agree, unless they invested well, lived below their means- they aren't raking in millions...office overhead is higher than high, you wouldn't believe what one exam table with a specialty light bulb costs...if sued, you want to prove in court, you never fudged on having the very best equipment available, the best instruments, best lab/x-ray equipment. In a courtroom, second best is well, second best or termed under-rated. When doctors lose malpractice suits, guess what? Their malpractice insurance fees double, too!
IO doesn't live in our orbit. You are right.
An OB/GYN I used to know paid $100,000 a year in malpractice insurance. Many in that field are dropping the OB portion because everyone expects a perfect baby and when something goes wrong they are looking for someone to blame, doesn't matter if the doc did everything right , there is a lawyer somewhere who will sue.
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#5245
Mar 26, 2013
 
I believe that, Aggie. OB-GYN malpractice lawsuits are at the top of the heap. Lose 1 case, watch premiums double or triple. It happens to the best of doctors, sometimes.
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Mar 26, 2013
 
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
A surgeon in gainesville moveed to ga from canada to DOUBLE his income, and he did just that.

doctors in hiawassee at the emorcy heart center make the trip once or twice a month to see a few patients and spend some time at the lake house. One even owns the nursing home on the hill. And FNC is on the TV IN ALL the waiting rooms pushing the bull crap about Obama care.
Glorya

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Okay...radiologist makes $315,000. I know one...3 children raised, now all in college, as eldest prepares to graduate, all have tuition, their own car & insurance, clothes and food allowances, apartment...family vacation at least once a year... Yeah, so many think doctor & wife are living the high life... Trust me, it isn't the high life. Unless coming from a wealthy family themselves, it's not the extravagant lifestyle many think.$315,000 is nothing when providing for a busy family of 5-6 and college educations.
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#5248
Mar 26, 2013
 
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Another one of your cock and bull posts.
Your argument is hollow and useless, like all your arguments.
With all the illegals coming into our country, why no doctors? Obama surely would give them citizenship.
Why no engineers, no architects, etc?
We only get the unskilled and needy illegals and Obama wants to give them free medical care.
One poster has already pointed out medicaid is failing because most doctors will not accept it. The same will hold true for Obamacare. Doctors are businessmen also and as such, will not work themselves into the poor house.
Sure, we need doctors from the caribbean with a internet diploma.
Give us some more of your bright ideas.
I will not dispute any of your numbers,facts or logic,but it does seem to me that these people come here because they know that they can get a job here.in many cases,they are actually recruited by major corps.(like Tyson chicken).but mostly,it is just a grapeline,word of mouth type thing.call cousin jose and tell him farmer john will hire him and his friends.how many companies or employers of illegals are arrested or prosecuted every year? i'd almost bet that you could count them on one hand.

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Mar 26, 2013
 
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
Here are your doctors when Obamacare hits full force. Good luck!

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/this_i...

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
Obamacare is going to be GREAT!!!

http://www.newsmax.com/US/obamacare-family-ph...

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
It's going to get better and better. See what you voted for? Congrats.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/...

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
Sounds GREAT, huh?

More downsides to Obamacare:

1. The larger number of M.D.'s will compete for the same number of residencies. Though the ACA has expanded the number and diversity of U.S. medical graduates, the number of residency spots, funded by Medicare, has remained unchanged since a Congressional Balanced Budget Act took effect in 1997. A larger number of U.S. medical graduates could find themselves unmatched after graduation; in fact The Chronicle of Higher Education reported that Texas, which ranks 42nd in the United States in the number of doctors per 100,000 people, will graduate more medical students than it has residency slots available by 2014.

2. Physicians may elect to work fewer hours, thus decreasing access to care. A report issued by the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University indicates that portions of the ACA, specifically addressing cost containment and Medicare reimbursement, may end up ultimately decreasing the access to care. Based on data obtained after the establishment of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 1997, the report concludes that the program expanded access, but it eventually led to shorter patient visits and to significant numbers of physicians electing to work fewer hours.

The report cites previous expansions of public health programs in the United States and Canada and concludes that physicians probably elected to work fewer hours due to declines in reimbursements. The report speculates that this could lead to a future drop in the quantity and quality of medical school applicants, as the field may become less enticing. Further research would be needed to determine this definitively, the report adds.
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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
Boring cattle call.

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Mar 26, 2013
 
Hollow wrote:
How many illegals are in the U.S.?
"There are many differing opinions, resulting in some heavy argument. As they are ILLEGAL, there are no records to actually establish a number.
The LOW estimate crowd acknowledges at least 12 million, while the HIGH estimate crowd says it is more like 20 to 30 million.
Then there is a group that says that those numbers are only the recent [within say the last 30 years] ILLEGAL ALIENS. This group claims that the "old timer" illegal aliens [from 30 years and backward] may represent another 20 to 30 million [including their offspring over the years].
Again, there is NO WAY of knowing the exact numbers, but clearly and without valid argument it is in the area of at least/more than 12 to 20 million.
There are approx 10,000 total additional illegal aliens added to the United States population each day."
How many doctors does it take to attend to these illegals?
My guess is that there are 30 to 40 million illegal aliens in the U.S. The government has been quoting the 11 million number for 20 years. They have been bused into the U.S. and placed in almost every city and town in the U.S. Spread out all across the country so that Americans will not notice how many actually live here. You can see convoys of 3 to 4 buses with blacked out windows carrying them down the various freeways of America. These buses will have Texas plates. The question is just who is paying to have all these Mexicans shipped all over the U.S. Didn't you ever wonder how all these extremely poor Mexicans were moved all over the country and how they get from here to there? Do you ever see hundreds of them with their suitcases in hand, hitch hiking down the major highways?
Either big business or the government is paying to have them shipped around our country.
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Synergy understands and sees the decline of quality in health care in this country. It's here, it's happening, it's REAL! Thanks for those links.

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