Man in Plaid

Columbus, GA

#5189 Mar 26, 2013
I'm not sure that the Democrats will have to move toward the center. The last election showed that although the Democrats have become quite a left wing party, people will vote for them.

Obviously, the need for a new presidential candidate will cause some changes, but it seems as though they have a strategy that works. The Republicans seem the more likely to change things up. However, I don't know how they will satisfy their base and pull a substantial amount of votes from the Democrats.

Obama and company have done a great job of demonizing the right. So the ball is definitely in the Republicans' court.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5190 Mar 26, 2013
Man in Plaid wrote:
I'm not sure that the Democrats will have to move toward the center. The last election showed that although the Democrats have become quite a left wing party, people will vote for them.
Obviously, the need for a new presidential candidate will cause some changes, but it seems as though they have a strategy that works. The Republicans seem the more likely to change things up. However, I don't know how they will satisfy their base and pull a substantial amount of votes from the Democrats.
Obama and company have done a great job of demonizing the right. So the ball is definitely in the Republicans' court.
I agree with the last part.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5191 Mar 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
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What are the good points? The concept of universal healthcare for everyone is a great idea, but define it. Does it mean everyone will get all medication and treatments and surgeries they need regardless of their situation and regardless of their ability to pay- No. No country can support that and survive economically. So there MUST be guidelines that will be set in place as to who gets what treatment when. The "death panels" that Sarah Palin was excoriated for will exist. It was Obama himself who, when asked by a woman about her 100 year old mother whose doctor said the only option he had for her was to install a pacemaker, said "maybe surgery is not the best option, maybe she would be better off taking a painkiller." There will be rationing and anyone who says there won't be is either delusional or lying, take your pick.
well,i think that I do know one good point.i know a guy that could not get med. insurance on his wife because of pre-existing or previous medical condictions.because of obamacare,he is now able to do this.although he and his wife are both conservatives and republicans,they both like that part of it.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5192 Mar 26, 2013
Man in Plaid wrote:
I'm not sure that the Democrats will have to move toward the center. The last election showed that although the Democrats have become quite a left wing party, people will vote for them.
Obviously, the need for a new presidential candidate will cause some changes, but it seems as though they have a strategy that works. The Republicans seem the more likely to change things up. However, I don't know how they will satisfy their base and pull a substantial amount of votes from the Democrats.
Obama and company have done a great job of demonizing the right. So the ball is definitely in the Republicans' court.
jeb bush and some other republicans seem to think that the republicans may have helped 'demonize' themselves in the last election.i think someone like gov. Christie could present a real problem for the dems.
domino

Lawrenceville, GA

#5193 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>well,i think that I do know one good point.i know a guy that could not get med. insurance on his wife because of pre-existing or previous medical condictions.because of obamacare,he is now able to do this.although he and his wife are both conservatives and republicans,they both like that part of it.
I have a friend whose daughter went in labor. By the time she got to the hospital, she was very close to delivery. However, they turned her away because she had no insurance and no Medicaid. even though her mother told them she would sign the papers and be responsible for the bill, they still turned her away. That I am medially rushed to another hospital where the baby was born in the hallway. this actually happened in Florida.
domino

Lawrenceville, GA

#5194 Mar 26, 2013
domino wrote:
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I have a friend whose daughter went in labor. By the time she got to the hospital, she was very close to delivery. However, they turned her away because she had no insurance and no Medicaid. even though her mother told them she would sign the papers and be responsible for the bill, they still turned her away. That I am medially rushed to another hospital where the baby was born in the hallway. this actually happened in Florida.
Sorry! Should have said immediately rushed. I was using voice input.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5195 Mar 26, 2013
domino wrote:
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Sorry! Should have said immediately rushed. I was using voice input.
when did this happen?

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#5196 Mar 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Damn do Right Wingers love to be afraid. Having been scared to death Saddam Hussein was going to send missiles to Sheboygan, Wisconsin, and dragging us into a $6,000,000,000,000.00 debacle, we are now supposed to fear "Socialism".
The boogeymen never stop on Right Wing Planet.
What a shame American education has deteriorated to the point where the differences between capitalism, socialism, and communism and the continuum existing between and linking them, is so difficult for so many to grasp.
If you truly are a capitalist in its pure form, you want America to duplicate Somalia, or Syria, or Lebanon, where government, for all practical purposes, cannot regulate private property or its use.
True Capitalism means:
- No Social Security
- No Medicare
- No V.A.
- No TVA
- No public hospitals
- No public schools
- No police departments
- No public libraries
- No employment laws
- No Anti-Trust laws
- No banking regulations
- No gov't insured banks
- No fraud laws
- No public roads
- No public schools
- No child protection laws
- No anti-corruption laws
- No firearms laws at all
- No vehicle safety laws
- No food safety laws
- No medicine safety laws
And 1000's of other laws that protect the powerless from the powerful.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by oligarchies.
Pure Communism means:
The "people", a/k/a the "Party Elite own all means of production and completely control all economic transactions.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by the party elite.
Mixed Exonomy:
If you support regulated capitalism, or capitalist socialism, you support America - a mixed economy regulated capitalism with social programs asserted to promote the general welfare somewhere in between the two extremes of pure Capitalism and pure Communism.
Moderates, Progressives, and all reasonably intelligent persons understand only countries utilizing mixed economies have avoided tyranny by either the political elite or the oligarchy.
History is a great teacher.
You are correct making the point that the differences in our country now between so called capitalism and socialism is difficult to precieve as it is so intertwined together that the country is not truly a capitalistic country anymore. It is 7/10's a socialist country now and being made more so everyday. Bigger government and more government control over everything.
Pure unbridled capitalism is just as dangerous as pure socialism, or communism. Oh Progressives and Communist always sing out all the great virtues of there parties but just look at the poor little countries that are controlled by it. Look now at Europe and its totally broken economy. Look at the countries of N. Korea, China, N. vietnam, Cuba, and even Russia. They have little to no human rights and most people there are poor or starving to death. Lets not talk about the slave camps and prisons that house political prisoners. These people had the same promises made to them that you now preach and support. It is all a lie and that is the way it is. Progressives, communist, socialist always lie and promise all the wonderful things but they deliver only pain and total failure except to the few that is in the upper positions in the party.
The more I look at what is going on now I am beginning to wonder if it isn't actually Fascism that is really taking place. Perhaps a mixture of Fascism and Communism.
You take examples of common sense and try to turn them into a wonderful thing that only communism does. You fail to mention all the horrible things that it does to the people it RULES with a IRON HAND. It gives promises to gain power and control and gives back misery and bullets.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5197 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>well,i think that I do know one good point.i know a guy that could not get med. insurance on his wife because of pre-existing or previous medical condictions.because of obamacare,he is now able to do this.although he and his wife are both conservatives and republicans,they both like that part of it.
I am absolutely not saying there were no problems with the health insurance industry, preexisting condition exclusions was probably the biggest. My contention is that changes could have been made without putting the whole system in jeopardy, which Obamacare does. One option that made sense to me was basically having a pool of those who are uninsured due to preexisting conditions or who truly can't afford it (would have to be means tested). That pool of people would be "farmed out" to the health insurance companies in an even way so as not to overburden any one company. The cost would have been a tiny fraction of what Obamacare will cost and it is no secret that one of the goals of Obamacare is to eventually drive private insurance companies out of business so that in the end no one has any option but government health care.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5198 Mar 26, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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You are correct making the point that the differences in our country now between so called capitalism and socialism is difficult to precieve as it is so intertwined together that the country is not truly a capitalistic country anymore. It is 7/10's a socialist country now and being made more so everyday. Bigger government and more government control over everything.
Pure unbridled capitalism is just as dangerous as pure socialism, or communism. Oh Progressives and Communist always sing out all the great virtues of there parties but just look at the poor little countries that are controlled by it. Look now at Europe and its totally broken economy. Look at the countries of N. Korea, China, N. vietnam, Cuba, and even Russia. They have little to no human rights and most people there are poor or starving to death. Lets not talk about the slave camps and prisons that house political prisoners. These people had the same promises made to them that you now preach and support. It is all a lie and that is the way it is. Progressives, communist, socialist always lie and promise all the wonderful things but they deliver only pain and total failure except to the few that is in the upper positions in the party.
The more I look at what is going on now I am beginning to wonder if it isn't actually Fascism that is really taking place. Perhaps a mixture of Fascism and Communism.
You take examples of common sense and try to turn them into a wonderful thing that only communism does. You fail to mention all the horrible things that it does to the people it RULES with a IRON HAND. It gives promises to gain power and control and gives back misery and bullets.
dave,i am not trying to belittle or sound mean,but Vietnam is one country now(there is no north or south anymore.i agree with a lot of what you say.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5199 Mar 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am absolutely not saying there were no problems with the health insurance industry, preexisting condition exclusions was probably the biggest. My contention is that changes could have been made without putting the whole system in jeopardy, which Obamacare does. One option that made sense to me was basically having a pool of those who are uninsured due to preexisting conditions or who truly can't afford it (would have to be means tested). That pool of people would be "farmed out" to the health insurance companies in an even way so as not to overburden any one company. The cost would have been a tiny fraction of what Obamacare will cost and it is no secret that one of the goals of Obamacare is to eventually drive private insurance companies out of business so that in the end no one has any option but government health care.
that makes sense to me but I bet the insurance companies would have to be forced(by gov't)to do this.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#5200 Mar 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am absolutely not saying there were no problems with the health insurance industry, preexisting condition exclusions was probably the biggest. My contention is that changes could have been made without putting the whole system in jeopardy, which Obamacare does. One option that made sense to me was basically having a pool of those who are uninsured due to preexisting conditions or who truly can't afford it (would have to be means tested). That pool of people would be "farmed out" to the health insurance companies in an even way so as not to overburden any one company. The cost would have been a tiny fraction of what Obamacare will cost and it is no secret that one of the goals of Obamacare is to eventually drive private insurance companies out of business so that in the end no one has any option but government health care.
You are correct. There are states that have a pool for people with preexisting conditions. The people are divided up with the various insurance companies so that no one company gets stuck with too much over expense. Far as I know that has worked well for years.
It would seem only fair that people that have preexisting conditions pay more as it is unfair to burden the more healthy insured in the group with higher payments to cover the cost of people with preexisting conditions. The insurance companies are gambling on the fact that more people will stay healthy than those that get sick. That is how they make up the premium rates and make money. Knowing that you are taking in a bunch of costly sick people will either raise the premium rates or the companies will go out of business.
Redistribution of wealth in the insurance business only goes so far.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#5201 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>dave,i am not trying to belittle or sound mean, but Vietnam is one country now(there is no north or south anymore.i agree with a lot of what you say.
You are correct as I was living and thinking in the past. It is just one country now, that was two countries, and was taken over by force by armed Communist Forces. Isn't Communism wonderful?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5202 Mar 26, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
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Redistribution of wealth in the insurance business only goes so far.
Absolutely true. And something else that could make a huge difference is allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. Competition is a wonderful thing that brings the prices down. I never have understood the restriction, more bureaucracy in action???? Again, there were many options that could have improved the system without the expense and bureaucracy that Obamacare has and will create.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5203 Mar 26, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct as I was living and thinking in the past. It is just one country now, that was two countries, and was taken over by force by armed Communist Forces. Isn't Communism wonderful?
it was an understandable and honest mistake.as anyone on here will tell you,i make more than my share.no ,I don't think communism is wonderful.we lost 60,000 fine young men trying to keep democracy there.i hope we learned something from that experience.
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#5204 Mar 26, 2013
Go Obama! Go! I know you must be doing some good with all these republican die hards on here. It is so comforting to see these rich man azz kissers whine and complain about you, and so good to know that they have to endure another 3 years and 10 months of you. This makes my vote for you all the more exicting. Here we were 6 years ago in the middle of a monster king reign of george little man bush,s reign of terror and now it is all those who supported this monster's turn to moan and groan. Kinda hurts out there does'nt it repubs? Now the shoe is on the other foot and America is no longer kissing Israel's azz like YOU think she should. He is no longer involving America in wars we can't win to make a few very wealthy. Thank You for all you do for the poor and middle class and brush these stinking, stinging insects away from you. I hope they all develop some serious ailments worst than what they created with their Frankenstein bush monster! Keep up the pressure and DON'T let up on these republicans,they owe America alot of Back-pay.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#5205 Mar 26, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
Go Obama! Go! I know you must be doing some good with all these republican die hards on here. It is so comforting to see these rich man azz kissers whine and complain about you, and so good to know that they have to endure another 3 years and 10 months of you. This makes my vote for you all the more exicting. Here we were 6 years ago in the middle of a monster king reign of george little man bush,s reign of terror and now it is all those who supported this monster's turn to moan and groan. Kinda hurts out there does'nt it repubs? Now the shoe is on the other foot and America is no longer kissing Israel's azz like YOU think she should. He is no longer involving America in wars we can't win to make a few very wealthy. Thank You for all you do for the poor and middle class and brush these stinking, stinging insects away from you. I hope they all develop some serious ailments worst than what they created with their Frankenstein bush monster! Keep up the pressure and DON'T let up on these republicans,they owe America alot of Back-pay.
You surely can't be for real. LMAO
domino

Forsyth, GA

#5206 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>when did this happen?
That baby is about 4 months old now.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5207 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>I am saying that I support obamacare in its' entirety.most people seem to think that is does have some good points.how many attempts have reps made trying to repeal it,and all have failed.it just seems to me that if they want it changed,the easiest way to change it would be to get a republican elected president in 2016.
There is no doubt that healthcare needs reform, but Obamascare is never going to work here. If it is not reppealed and something else instituted in its place, this country is in serious financial trouble. Just the clandestine way it was passed is enough to give pause to anyone except those who are uninformed. It's amazing how many extreme leftists think that just because Obama said it, it is the best thing EVER. Those people are CLEARLY low information, uninformed Obama drunks.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5208 Mar 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>well,i think that I do know one good point.i know a guy that could not get med. insurance on his wife because of pre-existing or previous medical condictions.because of obamacare,he is now able to do this.although he and his wife are both conservatives and republicans,they both like that part of it.
Too many people WAIT UNTIL they have an existing condition before they buy insurance. Some will complain it's because of the cost, and to an extent that MIGHT be true. But my guess is that MOST have their priorities screwed up and had rathter pay a huge car note on a car they really can't afford rather than take care of their insurance needs.

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