yucca ford proving grounds

[Hermes]

p.s. Please excuse my reference to "our nation's inner cities". For me, the discomfort of "city life" begins east of Beale Street, and west of Victorville.

[Desert Rat I]

Hermes wrote:

p.s. Please excuse my reference to "our nation's inner cities". For me, the discomfort of "city life" begins east of Beale Street, and west of Victorville.

Don't feel bad by your reference. I personally refer to it as "the zoo".
As far as your question on internet service. i checked with Charlene Fisher (husband runs the trash service in the area) and hughes net provides service in the area.
Here is the link;
http://www.hughesnet.com/HUGHES/Rooms/Display... [OID[871FBF90DAB30B4792CDE6AF6 D3E6B0E]]

You could do it that way or I've been looking into the new smart phones. I'm still looking into the speed capabilities, but for the price Hughes is asking, the AT&T Tilt phone can be tethered to your computer and provide unlimited internet access where ever there is reception.

[Hermes]

Desert Rat I wrote:

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Don't feel bad by your reference. I personally refer to it as "the zoo".
As far as your question on internet service. i checked with Charlene Fisher (husband runs the trash service in the area) and hughes net provides service in the area.
Here is the link;
http://www.hughesnet.com/HUGHES/Rooms/Display... [OID[871FBF90DAB30B4792CDE6AF6 D3E6B0E]]
You could do it that way or I've been looking into the new smart phones. I'm still looking into the speed capabilities, but for the price Hughes is asking, the AT&T Tilt phone can be tethered to your computer and provide unlimited internet access where ever there is reception.

Thanks for the information. I had heard that satellite (HughesNet)is an option, and will be following up with further research.
If the cell phone coverage continues to improve, i.e. new towers, I will also be looking at that alternative.
It still looks like there may be some room for an entrepreneurial minded geek to do it better and to make some money. Thanks again for the info.

[shorty]

Dave wrote:

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Which will be followed immediately by a labor walk out.:)

UAW ONLY!! NEED NOT APPLY IF YOUR NOT FOR UNION WAGES, BENEFITS, RIGHTS, PENSION, JOB SECURITY!!!! YOU MAY WALK OUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT!

[Leanne]

Desert Rat I wrote:

<quoted text>
Don't feel bad by your reference. I personally refer to it as "the zoo".
As far as your question on internet service. i checked with Charlene Fisher (husband runs the trash service in the area) and hughes net provides service in the area.
Here is the link;
http://www.hughesnet.com/HUGHES/Rooms/Display... [OID[871FBF90DAB30B4792CDE6AF6 D3E6B0E]]
You could do it that way or I've been looking into the new smart phones. I'm still looking into the speed capabilities, but for the price Hughes is asking, the AT&T Tilt phone can be tethered to your computer and provide unlimited internet access where ever there is reception.

I've been looking into this as well. Dish Network offers service through Wild Blue Satellite Internet. The biggest problem I've seen with Wild blue and Hughes Net is that they have limits on the amount of bandwidth you can use (look for Fair Access Policies).
If you use too much, they slow down your service for a set period of time to keep you from doing it again. Wild Blue has monthly limits (starting at 7500MB), and Hughes has daily limits (starting at 200MB).
This would be a bad thing if you want to download anything decently sized like software updates of video.

[xford in yucca]

A Parable for Today

A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (Ford) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River . Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.

On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.

The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to
investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team
made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person
steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person
rowing.

Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a
consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.

They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the
boat, while not enough people were rowing.

Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent
another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents, and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.

They also implemented a new performance system that would give the one person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings,
dinners, and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of
getting new paddles, canoes, and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.

The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor
performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment.

The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India .
Sadly, The End.

Here's something else to think about:
Ford has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of
the US, claiming they can't make money paying American wages.

TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen
plants inside the US . The last quarter's results:

TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in
losses.

Ford folks are still scratching their heads.

"What luck for rulers that men do not think."
- Adolph Hitler

[Desert Rat I]

xford in yucca wrote:

A Parable for Today
A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (Ford) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River . Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to
investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team
made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.
Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person
steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person
rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a
consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.
They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the
boat, while not enough people were rowing.
Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent
another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents, and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.
They also implemented a new performance system that would give the one person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings,
dinners, and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of
getting new paddles, canoes, and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor
performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment.
The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India .
Sadly, The End.
Here's something else to think about:
Ford has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of
the US, claiming they can't make money paying American wages.
TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen
plants inside the US . The last quarter's results:
TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in
losses.
Ford folks are still scratching their heads.
"What luck for rulers that men do not think."
- Adolph Hitler

Very funny and so true to the point.
I believe outside of the NUMI plant in Fremont, Ca where the Tundra is made and which is a joint venture with GM, the common denominator in your last comparison is the "UNION". The Japanese don't believe in them and will do what ever it takes to prevent them from forming in one of their plants.
They are very strict in their work ethic, but treat their employees well and as you so correctly pointed out in your analogy, know how to efficiently structure their work groups to succeed.
Ironically, since they have started putting more plants in the U.S., they have also been experiencing many more quality & recall issues as of late, which to me speaks alot about the character of our workforce here in the US.

[john]

So explain to me how a recall of a part that was designed by a toyota engineer is the fault of your average american toyota line worker?

[Desert Rat I]

john wrote:

So explain to me how a recall of a part that was designed by a toyota engineer is the fault of your average american toyota line worker?

I will just assume that you have little understanding of how automobiles are manufactured by your comment.
The majority of parts that go into any automotive manufacturers' product are designed and manufactured by OEM suppliers, not by a toyota, ford, or chrysler engineer for that matter.
Now, one of the main reasons Honda & Toyota began building in the United States was to get around the import tariffs that were being levied against them while building overseas. This requires, I believe more than 60% of the parts to be made in the U.S as well.
As someone who spent working for 14 years with 2 different Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM), 11 of which was in the development of new products supplying Ford, Chrysler, GM, Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, VW & others. I can tell you for a fact that we designed our products, not a 'TOYOTA ENGINEER'.
They only provided us with the requirements such as package size, specifications, environmental conditions, etc. that the product waw required to meet.
We as U.S. OEM manufacturers are responsible along with our workforces in supplying the majority of parts presently being designed and manufactured for Japanese vehicles being built here in America.
And if you were to take the time to research Toyotas' recent history, you will find that they were consistantly at the top in quality prior to their venture into building here in the U.S. Since their recent venture into building here in the U.S., they have had several quality issues arise that reflects on our ability as americans to provide quality products.

[just me]

agreed!

Desert Rat I wrote:

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Very funny and so true to the point.
I believe outside of the NUMI plant in Fremont, Ca where the Tundra is made and which is a joint venture with GM, the common denominator in your last comparison is the "UNION". The Japanese don't believe in them and will do what ever it takes to prevent them from forming in one of their plants.
They are very strict in their work ethic, but treat their employees well and as you so correctly pointed out in your analogy, know how to efficiently structure their work groups to succeed.
Ironically, since they have started putting more plants in the U.S., they have also been experiencing many more quality & recall issues as of late, which to me speaks alot about the character of our workforce here in the US.

[Lynanne]

Yes- it is true they are moving to Yucca the end of this month.

[iblosted]

but will the union move in with them, or will they use kelly services to hire the workers and mech's as with ford,?

[just me]

drivers and mechs will be union/chrysler two tier new hires in at a lower wage (about half) which is still hirer than kelly's topped out driver/mechs. hmmmmm

[Aaron]

Brock wrote:

Thanks for the info Jack. I'll check it out.

Chrysler is now in yucca, AZ

[steve]

cindy wrote:

i heard a rumor that the property sold to chrysler???is that true???if so i maybe moving in that direction and i am curious where i will be moving to

yes its true

[Robi]

So where is a good place in Yucca to buy about 40 to 80 acres where I can put up a nice house?
Where is Wally World going to build?

[Stuby]

is there a restaraunt

[Desert Rat I]

Stuby wrote:

is there a restaraunt

Not at the moment. The last owner had it for sale and shut down a couple of months ago. It appears someone is repairing roof shingles, swamp coolers and preparing to paint, so it might be coming back soon. In what form don't know yet.

[Justin Chambers]

Shoot me an e-mail and I can send you some listings by e-mail. Desert Rat knows the area better than anyone I know so ask him as to if each property is in a good area. I do know of a parcel with a well just off alamo road where they'll take 75,000 and probably terms on that.

Thanks,
Justin Chambers
[e-mail]

Robi wrote:

So where is a good place in Yucca to buy about 40 to 80 acres where I can put up a nice house?
Where is Wally World going to build?

[Desert Rat I]

Robi wrote:

So where is a good place in Yucca to buy about 40 to 80 acres where I can put up a nice house?
Where is Wally World going to build?

Definitely contact Justin for the listing and I can help you out with location. The one he mentioned just off of Alamo w/well could be very interesting. Would need to know if you're willing to build off-grid. Electrical is mostly in the lower elevation areas with typical desert scenery. Higher elevations along Alamo much more scenic with Joshuas, Junipers & Saguaros but no electrical.
I thought Wally World died when Wally Joyner left the Angels?