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Libby Mitchell

Australia

#167 Apr 2, 2010
Nile Grazowski:

I do believe what I write for good reason. I check researched facts and take note of them.

I find it more than 'scary' that you would not seem to 'get it'...

THAT outcome is more than TERRIFYING for the people of the Gettysburg area if they listen to your advice.

Check the LeHigh Valley survey and tell me that I have no right to write what I believe in.

Check my post above that refers to it...and then explain why you do not agree with my deductions. The survey is PA...not Australian-based remember.

See the internet IS so useful isn't it?

We might even see a reason being forwarded that relates to Gettysburg...instead of ludicrous, useless personal insults that avoid meaningful discussion!

Since: Mar 10

Hanover, PA

#168 Apr 2, 2010
Libby Mitchell wrote:
Gburg Baseball Mom:
No as usual you have NOT got one thing straight Mom...but I am sick of explaining to you and others who enjoy saying such nonsense.
I sent the refs for the 'valid' sources that you seem to think were non existent. Go look them up for yourself and perhaps stop going on hearsay? Who needs spoon-feeding here? I sent the references and reports of studies...you find the original studies. You might finally learn something.
When you have done that, maybe we can have a sensible discussion.
Once again you refuse to back up your claims with cold hard reliable facts. Just bs that does not have any relevance to here. Yawn. Same old, same old.
Libby Mitchell

Australia

#169 Apr 2, 2010
Gburg Baseball Mom:

Please refer to posts 160 and 166 here.

Post 166 answers your claim that I used invalid sources, I think for earlier postings.

Mom, YOU might say a fact is not cold, hard, but I am not forced to agree with your claim.

However, a simple claim of rejection requires a reason Mom...or it is discounted. You have given no reason for your statement...yet you repeat your claim..as nauseum.

In debating terms you are a loser if you can not give other rebuttal, to prove where I did not rely upon cold hard facts...as you claimed.

Post 160 refers to a call for a close to abuse on the board...and a return to the discussion in hand.

I gave a direct link to an original study report. The LeHigh Valley Survey...see prevous page.

I quoted directly from that study. I then related that information to Gettysburg in terms of logical predictions.

I asked you to comment upon my appraisal of the situation based upon the study findings, rather than to make silly, wild, irrelevant claims.

You have now not commented in detail so I do not know what you are specifically talking about...plus you say that I have not used reliable facts to make my claims??

I am not interested in dealing with a person who simply makes wild claims to sound good...but will not back them up with concrete reasons.

I will not suggest that you take your medication nor make any other silly comment such as you have asked of me in the past. I am asking though...if you disagree with my claims...please state WHY you do not agree with them...and give examples that I can understand and respond to...instead of giving some blanket statement that presupposes what you are meant ot be proving.

For example...instead of making some wild claim like "Same old, same old"...tell me exactly what I was saying re the LeHigh Valley report (post 160)that is 'same old, same old'...with examples?

Have you read the linked report and the parts that refer to "reasons for going to the casino" or "amounts won or lost" that the report refers to? Please tell me what part of that inforamtion is not 'cold hard fact?...as studied, referred to and commented upon?

Otherwise please speak with someone else, not me?...I have done my best to remain polite and to return to meaningful discussion...but you Mom appear to have another agenda altogether.
Libby Mitchell

Australia

#170 Apr 2, 2010
Gburg Baseball Mom:

Re my post to you above...here is the issue recopied to help here. Post 160.

Either discuss it in detail to show where I was not using cold, hard facts...or where I used 'same old, same old' as you so 'meaningfully' stated, or withdraw your claims please, made in Post 168 that I presume referred to this study as much as to any other? I will not let you get away with your claims any longer...that like a parrot you repeat! You are on a 'discussion' board here...you are not on the side lines giving your wild, baseless comments at a kids' Baseball match!

If you do not reply with reasonable, backed up, detailed and relevant discussion, please consider the discussion closed from my end. Thanks.

"I am again posting on this board some issues that could relate to the Gettysburg casino and why Bill Kearney IS being acknowledged...despite your hope-filled but erroneous claims that he is not!

"Back to a discussion about the Gettysburg casino...maybe?

The recently published LeHigh Valley survey :

http://www.mcall.com/media/acrobat/2010-03/52 ...

It showed that most people who intended to casino gamble would come from the poorest 'poverty line' sector.

Also most people stated that they did not intend to gamble at a casino to meet others and to socialise.(63% to 37%)

That could suggest that not many people will spend much on other casino activities, and also that not many people will go to a casino in Gettysburg to socialise?

Other survey results were confusing because of the way that the question was asked to also include winning (telling bias in itself as most people are losers), but the results also might indicate that most people lose between $100-$1000+ per casino gambling visit.

All up...if Gettysburg casino gamblers are likely to be mostly poverty-stricken, to not go there to socialise and to lose excessive 'entertainment' money...where will that casino bring any true benefit..least of all holiday 'recreation / socialising' tourists or 'cashed up' responsible recreational gamblers?

Would not the disturbing fact that most people may be very short on disposable income, when they gamble, preferably alone and isolated, maybe in an 'escape zone'...tend to support the need for such reforms as Bill Kearney is suggesting?

THAT is why more people are listening to Bill Kearney, despite any spin that they get given...because as tax payers...they do not want to fund the gambling of government support recipients who also might be spending a lot of undeclared tax free money!

Now please do not say that Gettysburg will be much different. The survey results are mirrored across the world"

Now how about getting back to basics...a discussion about a casino in Gettysburg? Or do you just prefer anonymous character annihilation instead, as if THAT helps a PRO casino cause?"

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#171 Apr 3, 2010
Libby Mitchell/Bossy Aussie/Toughlove1/Kearney's Crony is as big a blowhard as Bill "BS" Kearney. Nobody listens to either of them so they're perfect for each other.

Quit trying to abscond people of being held accountable for their own actions and stop telling other people how to spend their money.

The RESPONSIBLE MAJORITY has no issues with gambling because they know the meaning of self-control.
Libby Mitchell

Australia

#172 Apr 3, 2010
KURT?/Logicprevails?/Logic FAILS?

You are a very sad joke who truly seems to think that your erroneous comments are relevant to IF a casino is GOOD or BAD for Gettysburg.

Stick to the discussion and answer it and stop crying like a baby because your big 'points' are irrelevant. Your moralistic whining is pathetic.

You know that when the Mason Dixon plans are truly examined that they do not stack up and they are highly suspect. Thus you try to deflect again.
Bill Kearney

Philadelphia, PA

#173 Apr 4, 2010
Hereís a question I have for the CASINO DOPES from both sides, how many times have you been to our casinos or any other casinos throughout our country to witness what Iím addressing. The reason Iím asking this question is because I believe we can all agree that with the expansion of what is today full-blown casino gambling throughout our state there will be more compulsive gamblers. And thatís why those pillars of our society who brought this wonderful industry to our backyards put into our Gaming Law a provision that would sets aside MILIONS of dollars a year for the TREATMENT of compulsive casino gamblers.

And hereís another question, what harm would there be to any of you if our BILLION DOLLAR casino operators who are already tracking their patrons' money and time spent gambling with COMP-CARDS were to adapt to one of my safeguards (CASINO MONTHLY STATEMENTS)

I donít know what your religious beliefs are but as child I was brought up as a Roman Catholic. My Catholic courier ended because of what they said was a discipline behavioral problem. Now Iím not talking Columbine here, I got myself tossed out of parochial school for putting ink in the holy water on Easter Sunday. Later in life I got quite a tongue lashing from a high racking official of the Archdiocese of Pennsylvania for writing in my novel ĎCOMPEDí that it was a good thing that Spielberg wasnít around back when The New Testament was written or we might have been worshipping E.T. instead of J.C. Today I say Iím a non-believer, thatís until the S*** hits the fan then I find myself looking for light. But I imagine that tomorrow there will be many pro-casino Christens throughout Adams County that will be going to church on Easter Sunday to celebrating the resurrection of their Lord and savior Jesus Christ. Now Iím sure there are many of them who know and practice the words of Jesus on a daily basis so I was wondering what the pro-CASINO DOPE Christens opinion would be on this link I came across?


What say you pro-CASINO DOPES?
USN Retired

Shippensburg, PA

#174 Apr 4, 2010
Bill good job on finding stats to favor your opinion, but there are stats for and against everything. Smoking can kill you, Drugs can kill you, both can be said to be addictions and people addicted to anything will go wherever and do whatever it takes to satisfy that addiction. If your afraid to get addicted to gambling stay out of the casino's, or if some family member has had the gambling addiction and you must go on crusade, then stand outside with a sign in protest, just like the church that protested a dead soldiers funeral, that the dead soldier gave his life for them to do. I am in Gettysburg even though in the sig. it says different, if your sig. is correct, then stay in Lancaster where they make money off the backs of the Amish.
Libby Mitchell

Australia

#175 Apr 4, 2010
USN Retired;

I find it curious that Pro's constantly bring the casino issue back to one of "personal responsibility of the GAMBLER" when in fact the casino issue is MOST important because of the negative impact it will have on most OTHERS in the Gettysburg area...the MAJORITY!!...The people who will not even GAMBLE in that casino!!

These people include MANY innocent, powerless family, friends, neighbours, retailers, traders, employers, tourists and especially vulnerable children...NONE of whom should be expected to "crusade" anywhere...just so that SOME MINORITY of people can GAMBLE at all...least of all gamble excessively...to THEN harm OTHERS.

It is very interesting that although the MINORITY will likely gamble excessively...of the next MINORITY who will likely gamble at all...that the NET LOSS will still be EXCESSIVE for the MAJORITY of community members, because 40-50% of gambled casino takings...that will represent many many millions of lost dollars...maybe $25-30 million...will VERY likely come from around just a MINORITY...the 1440+ people who overspend on gambling. These gamblers could well harm over 10,080 people IF trends elsewhere are followed.

Why should ANY other person be forced to "crusade" or even be labelled as a "crusador" or moral zealot or whatever....JUST because the MINORITY PRETEND that their gambling is going to help Gettysburg....when the ONLY reasonable result is that it very much could harm it?

No matter how many people say they want a casino...they are only GUESSING...based upon what they knew when asked. The EVIDENCE from other nearby areas is NOT telling us that a casino is a good, productive, high employing, HAPPY business that ADDS to local community strength...let alone a local HERITAGE image...that Gettysburg is known for already!

Pro's please STOP talking of personal responsibility...STOP talking of just some casino benefits and START talking about the NET LOSS that will likey occur...for the MAJORITY of people who will most likely be harmed...as a result of your MINORITY but VERY loss-laden activity.

Since: Jan 09

Hanover

#176 Apr 4, 2010
Libby & Bill:
What do your crusades have to do with a casino in the Gettysburg area? The gaming board is going to award a license somewhere in the state so your gripe should be with them, not specifically with Mason-Dixon's attempt to open a casino.
The people are going to gamble somewhere in Pennsylvania whether you like the way casinos operate or not. Take your fight to the legislators in Harrisburg, they're the only ones that can change the laws regulating the operation of casinos.
Libby Mitchell

Australia

#177 Apr 4, 2010
JustMyHonestOpinion:

SO there you go linking two people's posts together...for no good reason.

Bill's main issue is the lack of consumer protection for casino gamblers and harm caused by it to others in the community. It is pertinent to the Gettysburg casino issue because there might be less opposition if Bill's ideas were implemented, to make casinos more 'appropriate' businesses in a heritage area. Fewer people might commit crimes, divorce, go bankrupt or suicide.

Maybe YOU PRO's might have a better chance of getting a casino in Gettysburg if YOU took the safety issue to Harrisburg yourselves as well?

Whilst I agree with Bill completely there...my issue here is more the 'human rights' and 'preservation' perspective...that a MINORITY group of gamblers will no doubt bring harms to MANY (the MAJORITY) local Gettysburg area AND US people who do not even gamble....for no PROVEN or good reason to anyone. Based upon wider report, observation and negative casino-related evidence, the Pro 'net benefit' arguments fail.

Instead of bringing the Pro argument back to a pathetic plea for 'personal responsibility' or tell others to raise reforms with the PGCB...both irrelevant to the issues as discussed here now...start discussing how a casino will be PROVEN...to help Gettysburg?

If no good proof exists that the casino will POSITIVELY bring NET BENEFIT to the area...in the light of warnings (read the papers is enough!!)and other study evidence...then the casino should not be allowed to be established in Gettysburg. YET if not ever...but certainly not yet!

It won't happen anyway...betcha!! You are all wasting your time..it will go to Nemacolin or somewhere less volatile. Your gambling tourist arguments are hopeless anyway...competition from online casinos, other land casinos, more table games, less money, less disposable spending money, less jobs net...PLUS the likely loss of heritage tourists and US voter resistance...all point to "NO way should there be a casino in Gettysburg." Certainly not now...and not until casinos are made safer...and less COSTLY for many other people who are hurt by a few gamblers!

You should be backing Bill Kearney...not rubbishing him. He is your only live game right now...that COULD turn this deep but understandable loathing of casinos right around...IF you listened more to him.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#178 Apr 5, 2010
Bill Kearney wrote:
And hereís another question, what harm would there be to any of you if our BILLION DOLLAR casino operators who are already tracking their patrons' money and time spent gambling with COMP-CARDS were to adapt to one of my safeguards (CASINO MONTHLY STATEMENTS)
If you want to have a religious discussion, make another thread. Nobody wants to hear your ramblings.

As it has been said before, send a statement every hour for all I care. It won't make any difference. If you're stupid enough to gamble away your life savings then a monthly statement isn't going to fix it. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#179 Apr 5, 2010
Libby Mitchell wrote:
Bill's main issue is the lack of consumer protection for casino gamblers and harm caused by it to others in the community.
That's hilarious, since early on Bill admitted he had little faith in his fellow community members to be responsible. So he obviously thinks little of them, let alone the "harm" caused by a casino.
Libby Mitchell wrote:
Whilst I agree with Bill completely there...my issue here is more the 'human rights' and 'preservation' perspective...that a MINORITY group of gamblers will no doubt bring harms to MANY (the MAJORITY) local Gettysburg area AND US people who do not even gamble....for no PROVEN or good reason to anyone.
You are so concerned that you did NOTHING to notify authorities at the PGCB of a (fabricated) "plant" on the forum. Can we expect this same level of "concern" for local citizens?
Libby Mitchell wrote:
Instead of bringing the Pro argument back to a pathetic plea for 'personal responsibility'
I guess you, being one of those with a total lack of self-control, would see personal responsibility as "pathetic". You don't want to discuss it because it DESTROYS your platform.

The responsible majority doesn't have a gambling problem. Morons with no self-control - the MINORITY - which you must love being a part of, are the idiots.
Libby Mitchell wrote:
...competition from online casinos, other land casinos, more table games, less money, less disposable spending money, less jobs net...PLUS the likely loss of heritage tourists and US voter resistance...all point to "NO way should there be a casino in Gettysburg." Certainly not now...and not until casinos are made safer...and less COSTLY for many other people who are hurt by a few gamblers!
Thank you for your deep, deep insight on local issues. We must all remember to look to those in Australia who lack responsibility, self-control, and a sound mind to make our LOCAL decisions for us.

Even if those locals who oppose the casino DIDN'T WANT YOU, we should still listen. NOT.

By the way, I've seen you started to adopt "Libby Mitchell" along with "Toughlove1" for posts...can we expect to see "Bossy Aussie" soon too?
Bill Kearney

Philadelphia, PA

#180 Apr 5, 2010
LogicPrevails wrote:
<quoted text>
If you want to have a religious discussion, make another thread. Nobody wants to hear your ramblings.
As it has been said before, send a statement every hour for all I care. It won't make any difference. If you're stupid enough to gamble away your life savings then a monthly statement isn't going to fix it. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.
I tell you what Iíll do, if you can prove me right or wrong that you are or are not Kurt Schmundt ĎAKAí LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 I will walk away from the Gettysburg issue. Can you imagine how foolish you would make me look if you could prove that I made this up? Now remember the only way you can do this is with proof, so donít come back unarmed. Itís time for you Kurt Schmundt ĎAKAí LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 to put your money where your mouth is.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#181 Apr 5, 2010
Already addressed in another thread Bill, but I'll repost it here to keep my replies to this thread.

I've already proven you wrong, you'll just never admit it.

When you said I was called down the office "in trouble" at my Bill "BS" Kearney fabricated job, I was posting and NOTHING HAPPENED.

When I couldn't debate you on casino operation issues because of my fabricated Bill "BS" Kearney fabricated job - I did (i.e., monthly statements, open 24/7) and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Now here is it on Monday during business hours, which I'm not supposed to post because you said my fabricated boss would fire me at my Bill "BS" Kearney fabricated job - and guess what? NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.

You already look like a fool Bill. The burden of proof lies with you. You say you've met with my "boss", the PGCB knows about this activity, that I've been warned not to discuss casino operation issues, and that I can't post during 'business' hours. NOTHING EVER HAPPENED - BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#182 Apr 5, 2010
Dan Colgan stated (in this thread: http://www.topix.com/forum/source/evening-sun... ) in regards to Bill's accusation and my reply:
Dan Colgan wrote:
It was indeed. It was reported to the Criminal Offenses division of the Pennsylvania Attorney General who then referred it to the PGCB. One tweek I would place to your question "What has the result been after all this fabrication"... I would simply state that nothing has occurred as of yet. Things of this nature especially take some time to come to fruition (and even then) if evidence exists that something improper has taken place charges may not be filed since the burden of proof is so high. In regards to Bill's accusations I must admit that for someone he feels he has so dead to rights...making it stick does seem to be an illusive hurdle for him. Just an observation.
I am glad that it was reported and thank whomever did so. The end result will be the same - I am not, nor have I ever been, an employee of the PGCB.

After several of Bill's alleged communications with the chairman of the PGCB directly regarding my actions, don't you think something would happen? Wouldn't I be scared for my job and cease posting? After being told by my boss (according to Bill) not to post during business hours, why would I continue?

Bill thinks that someone is guilty until proven innocent. Bill thinks because he fabricates something in his mind that it becomes reality. Bill has no proof other than his own declaration. Bill is wrong.
Bill Kearney

Philadelphia, PA

#183 Apr 5, 2010
LogicPrevails wrote:
Dan Colgan stated (in this thread: http://www.topix.com/forum/source/evening-sun... ) in regards to Bill's accusation and my reply:
<quoted text>
I am glad that it was reported and thank whomever did so. The end result will be the same - I am not, nor have I ever been, an employee of the PGCB.
After several of Bill's alleged communications with the chairman of the PGCB directly regarding my actions, don't you think something would happen? Wouldn't I be scared for my job and cease posting? After being told by my boss (according to Bill) not to post during business hours, why would I continue?
Bill thinks that someone is guilty until proven innocent. Bill thinks because he fabricates something in his mind that it becomes reality. Bill has no proof other than his own declaration. Bill is wrong.
You are so full of S*** and everybody from both side of the issue knows it. If you have proved me wrong Kurt Schmundt ĎAKAí LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee then you should be able to produce the thread that contains that factual information not the garbage you been posting. And what it comes to the time of day when you posted your ridiculous comments has to do with you being a Technical Field Representative, which means that you are on the road and our using your laptop.

But donít you worry Kurt Schmundt ĎAKAí LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee; I got you more then dead to right. And the only reason youíre not feeling the heat from your employer is because the last thing they want to do is bring more attention to me and my cause.

Now if you are not who I say you are Kurt Schmundt ĎAKAí LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee, then tell all the CASINO DOPES from both sides of the fence who you think you are?

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#184 Apr 5, 2010
Bill Kearney wrote:
<quoted text>
And the only reason youíre not feeling the heat from your employer is because the last thing they want to do is bring more attention to me and my cause.
There's those delusions of grandeur again Bill...you're really not that important.
Bill Kearney wrote:
<quoted text>
Now if you are not who I say you are Kurt Schmundt ĎAKAí LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee, then tell all the CASINO DOPES from both sides of the fence who you think you are?
I don't have to Bill, the burden of proof lies with you. Other than your pulling a name out of your biggest orifice (nobody is quite sure which is bigger, your a$$ or your mouth), you have nothing.

Just because I say you aren't Bill "BS" Kearney but in fact are Elmer Fudd doesn't make it so - no matter how large the resemblance.
Bill Kearney

Philadelphia, PA

#185 Apr 5, 2010
LogicPrevails wrote:
<quoted text>
There's those delusions of grandeur again Bill...you're really not that important.
<quoted text>
I don't have to Bill, the burden of proof lies with you. Other than your pulling a name out of your biggest orifice (nobody is quite sure which is bigger, your a$$ or your mouth), you have nothing.
Just because I say you aren't Bill "BS" Kearney but in fact are Elmer Fudd doesn't make it so - no matter how large the resemblance.
Good job Kurt Schmundt ĎAKAí LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee keep coming back with no proof and enjoy what the rest of the CASINO DOPES are saying from both sides.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#186 Apr 5, 2010
This is Bill's 'loose grip on reality' mentality. Guilty until proven innocent, twofold if he made it up himself.

This is why NCG didn't want you Bill. You'll lie to try and make a point, no matter how outlandish and false.

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